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girlforenslaveme -> Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 5:11:04 AM)

hi there! i  strongly believe that i need to be owned property (and have been before).  Is it wrong of me to be seeking a position where i am no more (or even less) important than my owner's car/TV etc.?  Or should i embrace these feelings and happily accept what i am?  would love to hear E/everyone's thoughts! thank you!

sophie




bliss1 -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:15:20 AM)

If that is your thing - find out why and then go for it.




BeingChewsie -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:18:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme

hi there! i  strongly believe that i need to be owned property.  Is it wrong of me to be seeking a position where i am no more important than my owners car or TV?  Or should i embrace these feelings and happily accept what i am?  would love to hear E/everyone's thoughts! thank you!

sophie



This is only a question you can answer. You want to be no more or no less important than other things he owns. I don't see what the issue is. Men tend to be possessive over their stuff. A man takes different care of his TV, then he does his car, or his boat, or his dog, or his golf clubs...they are not all the same in how they are cared for or kept, yet to many men they are all important. The same can be said for his human property.

You'll be happier if you accept who you are and what speaks to you as the right path for you.




beargonewild -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:22:11 AM)

Greetings. Whether it is right or wrong for you to believe this is not for me or anyone else to say. Only you can answer that question yourself. All that other people can do is offer their own opinions. IMO you do what you feel you need to do based upon what the voice inside is advising. Just be as well informed in all areas before making a major choice which affects the quality of your life.




girlforenslaveme -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:28:44 AM)

thanks for your replies E/everyone but was just wondering if you yoursleves thought it was wrong or right for a girl to think that way




LotusSong -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:39:08 AM)

I think when someone states this, they are really saying they wish an intense loving relationship where they will be protected and loved unconditionally and hope that if they give themselves up to this D/s lifestyle, it will come true. 
 
Unfortunately, it's only as intense and reliable as people make it.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:43:13 AM)

it's neither wrong or right - that's up the individual to think and decide.  for example i never thought of myself as Daddy's property until He explained to me (in a loving detail) how i'm His to love, care, nurture, etc ...promising He'll always be there for me because that's what an "owner" does. after hearing that, it changed my views about being "owned property". 

good luck in your search




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:49:03 AM)

When I first became involved in D/s, I had a similar concern, only my problem wasn’t so much, was I wrong for wanting it, as it was, are my reasons for wanting it wrong.

If you can answer that question, there’s a good chance the rest will work itself out.

Sincerely,

k




mistoferin -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:54:27 AM)

So long as you have an understanding that there are some men who see their vehicle as a disposable thing that they can use without regard to upkeep and maintenance and at the other end of the spectrum there are men who view their vehicle as a prized possession to be pampered and maintained. It would be in your best interest to figure out where on that spectrum your desires are and stay within those boundaries.




velvetears -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 5:58:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme

hi there! i  strongly believe that i need to be owned property (and have been before).  Is it wrong of me to be seeking a position where i am no more (or even less) important than my owner's car/TV etc.?  Or should i embrace these feelings and happily accept what i am?  would love to hear E/everyone's thoughts! thank you!

sophie



Here is an article i once read which might give you some idea of what life is like for a slave. Each relationship is differnet and yours doesn't have to be just like this - there are so many variations:

So you want to be a slave:
The Realities
by Maria Hunter from Dom-sub Lifestyle
I decided to write this article because I have seen so many submissives come into the lifestyle expecting everything to be dream-like and perfect. I don't wish to ruin anyone's dreams, or turn them from the activity, but what I wish to do is to explain how things really are. Being a slave can be, and is for me, a wonderful life. It's everything I wanted it to be. It is also more than I ever expected, and had someone explained the realities to me prior to my decision, it would have made my transition so much easier. For the purpose of this article, I am addressing issues related to being a 24/7 slave. These comments are from my viewpoint, which is that of a female slave with a male Master. By no means do I wish to exclude Domme's or male slaves. For them, I cannot comment from personal experience. This is just my view from a real-time experience.
First, there are a few things you need to discover for and about yourself. Do you wish to be in this type relationship 24/7? Perhaps you only wish to be in it during the scenes. Maybe you want to role-play at only during certain times. There are many ways this activity can be done, but you have to figure out what is right for you.
Second, you need to learn to be honest with yourself. Figure out what you will and will not do, and what is a "maybe". Search inside yourself for what you really want, and when you find it, be honest to anyone you talk to. Don't agree to something long-term that you know you will not be able accomplish. Ask yourself some hard questions. The rest of this article will give you aspects to contemplate so you can base your decisions on reality, and not someone else's dreams of how it should be.
Are you prepared to surrender 100% control of your life to someone else? 24/7 slaves do this. Role-playing would mean entering into this relationship only for the time agreed upon that the Master would have the total control. Once the scene is over, everything returns to normal.
Do you enjoy country music? Maybe you love Rock and Roll. Consider this. The Master who's collar you will eventually wear, may only like classical or another type of music that you don't enjoy. Are you prepared to give up those selections and only listen to His music? This type sacrifice can apply to many other things you currently enjoy. For myself, I love old love songs of any type, and my Master is into Hard Rock. Because of His preferences, I rarely get to listen to my songs. But, when I am a good girl, at times, He does permit me to listen to my choice of music, as long as I get my assigned tasks and chores done. Note, I said, "permitted to". Something as simple as listening to the radio is a reward for me. It is not a given that you will be permitted to enjoy even this little pleasure whenever you wish. These limitations can apply to many areas of your life such as TV, choices of food or friends, just about anywhere anything! Is there a certain style of clothes you love? Certain colors and scents you wouldn't be caught without? If your Master doesn't approve of them, you may be wearing a totally different style with colors you never would have dreamed of. He may lay your clothes out for you every morning. Are you prepared to abide happily by His choices? If He asked you to wear something very skimpy to someplace simple like the grocery store, could you do this without hesitation? I am lucky in the fact that my Master lets me chose my own clothes most of the time. But at anytime, should He decide that He wants me to wear something else, I am to change immediately. Trust me, He does exercise this right. I have learned to always ask Him what He would like me to wear if we are going someplace special.
Are you prepared to change your hairstyle, length, or color to please your Master? All of these will belong to Him once you accept your collar as will everything else that once belonged to you. You will no longer own anything. From the time you take His collar, everything will be His. It will no longer be "your" car or "your" clothes, but "His", on loan to you as He sees fit. If He should so choose, you will not be permitted to wear clothes at all. This will be HIS choice, not yours. Remember, you will have given up all rights to make these choices for yourself.
You have a favorite chair, or a certain way you like to sit or walk? Your Master will decide whether you sit on furniture or on the floor. He will have the say if you are to cross your legs, or sit with them spread wide-open. You will have to ask permission to even climb into bed, or sit on a chair. Most slaves are allowed a cushion on the floor that they do not need permission to sit upon, but very little else. You will even need permission to eat at the table with your Master.
It's been a long hard day at work. You get home and want nothing more than to relax in a tub and go to bed early. Well, you won't be able to. Being tired, ill, or just in a bad mood does not excuse you from your required tasks. You are still required to do them: prepare His meal, and go to bed when HE tells you to. Retiring for bed usually occurs at a set time, even if you are not ready to go. There will not be an "I am too tired" or "I don't feel well": nothing of the kind. Unless your Master has excused you from your tasks and chores, you will remain responsible for making sure His needs and wants are filled: no matter what. It is your job to inform your Master of your physical health status. One of your main jobs will be to take care of and protect, His possessions. You being are the most prized one He owns. As long as you let your Master know how you are feeling, He will make sure that your tasks will be appropriate to your capabilities.
Many come into this lifestyle looking to be used sexually, to service their Master at His whim. They never consider other aspects. The main part of being a slave is to be of service to your Master, and not to be serviced for yourself. However, being readily available to Him at ALL times is also an unspoken expectation. The old excuse "not tonight dear, I have a headache" doesn't work in a D/s relationship. In order to provide Him pleasure, you must also express to Him the pleasure of the moment for you as well. NEVER make your Master feel this is a chore to you: something you would rather not do, but will only because you have to. If your Master tells you to do something, it will not be up to you to question Him. You will be required to respond with no questions asked. At a later time (if this is permitted in your relationship), you may ask Him for permission to speak on an equal level. If He gives permission, this will be your opportunity to ask your questions. However, it is important to ask in a way so as not to question His authority, but at the same time to satisfy your curiosity.
Do you feel being a slave is to be coerced: forced into servitude? Do you think you couldn't do this unless you were? Then think again. Slaves enter into this relationship of their own free will. This is not the day of forced slavery; it is a matter of choice. YOURS! You are the one who will decide to give over your power to your Master. You will be doing this, not because you are forced to obey, but because you need to. Yes, during the course of your relationship there will be times you will be forced to do something, but it will never be something that goes against who you are. Your Master may feel obeying this command will help you to grow into the best person you can be, or will help you break out of an inhibition you have.
How is your temper? Are you quick to fly off-of-the-handle when you are upset? Or are you laid back, accepting anything and everything, and then go off to sulk because your feelings were hurt? A Master does not wish to have a doormat for a slave nor does He desire to be told how things should be. Learning when and how to say things will become very important in your relationship. If you do not tell your Master when something is bothering you, then you have no right whatsoever to become upset. However wonderful and omnipotent He may seem, He is not a mind reader: unless you tell Him, He won't know. The key, as I said a moment ago, is in how you tell Him.
Your self-discipline is very important in this relationship. Do you tend to put things off until the last possible moment? You won't be able to do this when you are owned. There will be chores and tasks your Master will assign that He expects to be done in a timely fashion set by Him, not by you. Your Master's wants and needs will be put before your own. Self-discipline is similar to self-control. Your ability to follow complete assignments made by your Master will be very important. As a slave, you will need to be able to control your own actions well enough to be able to remain within the boundaries set for you by Him. If He says you can't do something, simply, you can't. Doing it anyway, and not telling Him doesn't make it right. In the case of a Master/slave relationship, what you don't know CAN hurt you, as well as the relationship you have worked so hard to build. Even a simple "white lie" can destroy the trust so necessary to really establish this type relationship.
As to wants and needs of your own: do you know the difference between the two? If not, I strongly recommend you figure them out before entering into servitude. Sometimes the two are hard to distinguish, but it will become important that you do so. Your Master will ensure all your "needs" are taken care of, but the "wants" will be His to allow or not, as He sees fit. Needs are the necessities of life that are required in order for us to remain mentally and physically healthy. They allow us to grow emotionally and spiritually. If you can survive without something, then it is a want. Wants are usually given as a reward for good behavior.
In order to be a slave, there will be many things you have to learn to accept within yourself and adapt to. Your primary purpose in life will be to see to your Masters pleasure (both mentally and physically) in any manner He should desire. In order to do this, you will have to learn your Master well. Find out what pleases and displeases Him. By this, I do not mean just sexually. You will learn that sex is but a small part of your relationship. Learn to anticipate His every need and desire without being pushy. His needs and desires will encompass intellectual stimulation, physical pleasure, emotional support, and many other things unique to Him. Remember - physical does not equal sexual. Physical pleasure may include, but is not limited to, touch, favorite foods, textures, clothing, and colors as examples. It will be your job to make sure His physical pleasures are met in everyway. Think of the five senses, and make His environment pleasing to all of them. Never forget - the most pleasing thing in His environment should be you.
As His slave, it will be up to you to figure out what pleases your Master. He should not have to ask constantly for the basic things - you should have learned them. If His glass is empty, quietly and unobtrusively refill it. Remember, you are doing this for His pleasure not your own. Just because He does not notice and praise you doesn't mean you are doing it wrong. Look at His smile. Is He comfortable? If He looks happy and content, then you have done well, and should bask in His content. Always remember that you do this for Him and not for your own satisfaction. Your happiness should come from serving Him and His being happy.
As I said in the beginning of this article, I am not trying to scare you away from the world of D/s. My goal is to make sure that, when you enter our lifestyle, you do so with your eyes wide open, fully knowing what to expect. The road will not be an easy one. You will have to re-learn much of what you once took for granted: things you just did without thinking, like simply sitting in a chair. These are habits we never even think about anymore. That is, until we find a Master.
Everything else you learned before reading this article is probably true. Being a slave is a wonderful life: one where you are taken care of. Most decisions are out of your hands and in those of your Masters. But, many choices will still be left up to you. Most Masters want a slave who is smart, has a sense of humor, and a will of their own. There is no pleasure in owning a doormat who just sits or is only walked upon. He will become bored very fast. Being yourself is the best advice I was given, and I have found this to be absolutely true for me.
You will find being a slave everything you dreamed of and so much more if you enter this life knowing more of what to expect. If you are meant to be in the lifestyle, you will find that, where you were once only walked through life, you will be gliding on air. Parts of you that never were complete will then become whole. In relinquishing control, I have found freedom: freedom to find and be the person I am inside.
It is my hope that, after reading this article, you will be able to make a more informed choice about entering this lifestyle. Never forget that, one of the most important requirements for existing in this lifestyle is honesty. Honesty with yourself first. However, you will find that this is not as easy as it sounds. Once you learn to do this, you will find yourself at peace and able to enter your servitude with clearer mind, knowing where you are and where you want to be. When you accept your Masters collar, you give up all your rights. Your friends, your life - nothing will remain yours. Being a slave means giving up so much more than you would if you were only being submissive. You give up all rights in your life. Slave isn't just a word; it's a way of life, a defined action. Be well, my friend, and I hope you enjoy this lifestyle as much as I have come to love being in it.
Ricks's miria




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 5:59:16 AM)

IF in your heart this is where you feel you need to be go for it and why ask the forums because I believe you know the answer to this question.AS for the right to be owned of course just as much as I as a master has the right to own property..bounty




BeingChewsie -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:59:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme

thanks for your replies E/everyone but was just wondering if you yoursleves thought it was wrong or right for a girl to think that way


If it makes her feel happy, fufilled, and is a step in a positive direction for -her- then it isn't wrong.

If it makes her feel unhappy, unfufilled, and is riddled with negative feelings/thoughts then it isn't right.




KatyLied -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 6:13:44 AM)

quote:

thanks for your replies E/everyone but was just wondering if you yoursleves thought it was wrong or right for a girl to think that way


Everyone is going to have a different opinion.  I like the idea of being "owned" but I can only go so far into it.  I wouldn't want to be given away or traded or sold, that is why I would be uncomfortable identifying as a "slave", yet I think I can identify as being "owned".  You need to figure out what sort of ownership you want.  Don't worry about what others think.  It's your life and you have the freedom to exercise the options that work for you, even if that includes the option of slavery or ownership.




girlforenslaveme -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 6:16:44 AM)

thank you E/everyone!  i am too happy with the idea of being 'owned' KatyLied am am prepared to take all that comes with that tag.




mistoferin -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 6:25:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme

thank you E/everyone!  i am too happy with the idea of being 'owned' KatyLied am am prepared to take all that comes with that tag.


You are prepared to take all that comes along with that tag...but have you decided what type of property you wish to be? If you take a drive in the suburbs and see a beautiful mansion with well manicured lawns and landscaped gardens....that is someone's property....someone owns it. Then take a drive through the ghetto and take notice of the falling down rental shacks....someone owns them too and they are indeed still property.

An owner also has the right to change ownership at any time...are you willing to accept that also in order to have that tag?




girlforenslaveme -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 6:29:39 AM)

i am mistoferin, i would ideally seek an owner who would want to keep me but am prepared to be sold if that is what he ultimately wants




Shantra -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 6:51:52 AM)

Firstly, velvetears thank you for posting this article from a very old friend of mine, I think we go back about 7 years.  But her name is Miria not Maria..and she never thought when she wrote this that it would take off the way that it did and be posted in so many places.  I still love it for it's reality.

This many years ago I had negative feelings about slavery and another slave I got into a conversation with told me that a slave should be VERY selective about who she enters into slavery to, know herself and her limits well.. and of course Miria covers compatability very well.

From my own perspective.  When Master is home he has total control of everything, the TV remote, the computer (he fried his).  He can watch crime shows and mythbusters all day long and I have to suffer Fran Drescher EVERY damned morning!  Yes Master is pleased but being human sometimes I just want peace and quiet and Fran Dreschers voice first thing in the morning GRATES on my nerves and I have had to learn to tune it out.  I do not complain or whine.

I guess what I and everyone else here is saying is.. subbie know thyself.. unless you happen to have a victim mentality and that floats your boat. 

Not sure why you needed to ask.. it is your life and it is a strange place to ask whether the notion of being property is wrong.. LOL.




BeingChewsie -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 7:00:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme

thank you E/everyone!  i am too happy with the idea of being 'owned' KatyLied am am prepared to take all that comes with that tag.


You are prepared to take all that comes along with that tag...but have you decided what type of property you wish to be? If you take a drive in the suburbs and see a beautiful mansion with well manicured lawns and landscaped gardens....that is someone's property....someone owns it. Then take a drive through the ghetto and take notice of the falling down rental shacks....someone owns them too and they are indeed still property.


This is really good advice. There is nothing wrong with knowing how you want to be kept and then finding a dynamic that is compatible with that. I know it gets a lot of bad press but there is a lot to be said for that and long term happiness in the dynamic.
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An owner also has the right to change ownership at any time...are you willing to accept that also in order to have that tag?


I'd quibble with this in terms of human property but I do understand about the *right* to do, I'd question the mechanism under which it occurs though. An example of this is you give your dog away, unless the new owner chains the dog up there is no guarantee you won't find the dog sitting on your porch every morning, because to the dog, you are still the owner, its master, papework changing hands changed nothing from the dog's perspective. I'm not saying the new *legal* owner can't become the owner in the dog's mind but it doesn't happen because two people exchanged some papers, and a bag of kibble. I see ownership dynamics between people in much the same way. It is a tad more complex than signing over a deed.





dawntreader -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 7:02:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme

thanks for your replies E/everyone but was just wondering if you yoursleves thought it was wrong or right for a girl to think that way


And if the "collective we"  thought it was wrong...would that change how you felt about your desire to be property?




kittinSol -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 7:04:09 AM)

Shantra, have you ever considered suggesting to him that you get rid of the evil electronic box altogether?




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