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AquaticSub -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 9:20:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie quote: ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme BeingChewsie, would you never accept a change of owner, would it not just take some time? My owner can rid himself of me anytime, what he can't do, is make another person my owner(in any meaningful way), only that other person can, maybe, if I hung around long enough to find out. I'm saying it is very unlikely I would hang around to find out. I'm -not- enslaved by the concept of slavery. You probably shouldn't listen to me, I'm a heathen. It isn't nearly as simple as signing over the keys and the title. Except the heathen thing, I have to agree with this. [:)] Valyraen may release or keep me as he sees fit, he may loan me out if he chooses, but I doubt a "sale" would leave either people happy since I would most likely leave. It is possible I would accept the new owner, but it's highly unlikely.

happypervert -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 9:38:53 AM)
quote: i strongly believe that i need to be owned property (and have been before). Is it wrong of me to be seeking a position where i am no more (or even less) important than my owner's car/TV etc.? I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I don't see a problem with you wanting to be owned. However, when you describe it as your nature rather than a function of a dynamic with a person and that you are looking for a "position" rather than the right person who brings that nature out of you, it just seems to me like a postcard from la la land. This mindset is just too indiscriminate for me and I think it is a recipe for disaster; you'd be better off finding employment as a maid or domestic worker because at least then you'll get paid for the effort. Yeah, I realize I'm being judgemental and politically incorrect in a "your kink is not ok" kinda way, and I'm aware there are people who do it. I don't care and I won't pretend to think it is right when it seems like someone has a tenuous grasp on reality. BeingChewsie summed it up elegantly above when she wrote " I prefer enslavement by a man not a concept." I suggest that you consider trying that approach instead..

softness -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 9:46:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme agreed mistoferin. it does not happen often but it does happen and a slave has to be prepared to accept that as part of her role. I have had contact with and mentoring from some highly committed lifestylers, from Pro Dommes to 24/7 TPE slaves, I have been in service, have been considered property, and even for fixed periods lived in TPE conditions. I am free at the moment, and I know that I would never become property again to someone who did not value and care for what they owned. I have been the possession fo someone who didn't value what they owned, the instant I realised he no longer valued what he owned I walked, and I have never looked back. Being slaves doesn't mean we settle, being slaves doesn't mean we feel devalued, being slaves does not mean we have to put up and shut up. Don't get the wrong idea, I do not buy into the sacred gift of submission crapola. But I bring something pretty damn fantastic to the table, as I believe every person who lives to serve does, I refuse to be owned by someone who does not see the value of their property. I refuse because I can do better than that. Life is too short and too precious to be in the power of someone who does not appreciate what they have. Service is hard work, it takes sacrifice and commitment that I never appreciated until it was my reality. It is hard, whatever your personality, to live for somebody else. It is not the shiny sparkly exciting dream you first imagine it will be. At times it took every fibre of my self discipline to stop myself from walking out the door in frustrtaion at it all. But I stayed, I stayed because I never lost the feeling that what I was doing, and my status as property was highly valued and appreciated, that soothed every struggle and difficulty I had in service. When his actions showed me that he no longer valued his property it was luike a switch was flipped. I simply could no longer serve him, and as for being sold, well, call me a pretender or a princess, but I give myself as property and negotiate service with one Master, and nothing will ever persuade me to give up my right to choose who I submit to.

cadenas -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 9:50:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme hi there! i strongly believe that i need to be owned property (and have been before). Is it wrong of me to be seeking a position where i am no more (or even less) important than my owner's car/TV etc.? Or should i embrace these feelings and happily accept what i am? would love to hear E/everyone's thoughts! thank you! sophie There is nothing at all wrong with that feeling! The difficulty lies not in what you feel, but in how to make that a reality without getting you killed in the process ;-) In fact, it is the ultimate in D/s, and if it can be done safely, personally I would actually prefer this type of relationship to a more traditional D/s relationship, even to the point of buying a slave instead of having her choose me (caveat: of course I would only do that if I knew for a fact that the slave was consensual!) Now with that said, some reality, too. First, there is safety. An owner who treats you like property can kill you. Or can use you as an accessory to a crime (what if he decided that you should be the next suicide bomber in a shopping mall?). Or do any number of other things that you may not have thought of. Then there is the tricky thing called the human mind. A car will never be disobedient and never needs to be punished. In fact, with the exception of pets, I can't think of any property that would ever give me that kind of problem. Another issue is what being an object actually MEANS. My definition is that the object doesn't have an opinion of its own, doesn't get asked for its preferences, may not even speak. When I buy a car what I'm looking for is something special. I'd buy a convertible over a Honda Civic if I can. When I buy a TV, all I care about is that it shows some pictures from a cable channel. When I buy a dishwasher, I care that it cleans my dishes. When I buy a statue or picture, I care that it is just beautiful. Are you looking for an owner for whom you are special like the car, or ordinary like the TV? Are you looking to be useful like my dishwasher, or decorative like my statue or picture? Also, there are simple health concerns, starting with getting enough exercise and nutrion when you may be kept in a cage 23 hours a day. Even as property, you will have a tooth ache sooner or later. You (or your owner) may have a heart attack. Imagine having spent 20 years as property, and suddenly you find yourself in an ER, having to take care of your own health decisions. Or worse, having to decide how to handle HIS health emergency. And where will you be if he suddenly passes on? Not only penniless, but also having been trained to not think. Same thing when you retire. One of my standard questions when interviewing a potential slave is where she pictures herself at age 70. Now none of these things should keep you from pursuing your dream. There are excellent ways to deal with all of these things, and yet keep you an object and nothing more. But you should be aware of these issues, and plan for it carefully.

Corve -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 11:18:14 AM)
a truly submissive obedient and well disciplined slave is the most precious gift of love and life. A master has a responsibility when owning a slave . It is a master's duty to his slave to fill a slave's life's needs for security and satisfaction in submission for her master's use and service as a slave. [Mod Note: email address removed]

Shantra -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 11:32:50 AM)
chewsie, aquatic, softness, happy pervert, cadenas... kudos to all.. all excellent points..I am struck once again by just how much wisdom, intelligence and reality abounds on these boards.

Nosathro -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 12:37:36 PM)
Tal and greetings Well, wanting to be owned and property as the many threads here seem to say there is nothing wrong with it if that is want you want. I will go a step further and say have you considered becoming a kajira? Be Well Nosathro

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 1:02:27 PM)
I agree with Erin and Chewsie in general on this thread. My question is exactly how will your life be as property? How do you see yourself being used? Owned workhorses on farmland lead quite a different life than PDAs to CEOs- both can be property, but do you care how you are expected to be used or do you have any particular skills which make you enticing to be used as property in a particular regard?

dawntreader -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 1:19:40 PM)
Another excellent point!!

szobras -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 1:42:47 PM)
girlforenslaveme, I know for me than when a time comes that I "think" I believe something, life hands me the opportunity to find out if I truely believe it or not. If I find myself questioning if what I strongly believe is right or wrong for me, It is then that I ask myself ,"Am I willing to live outside of what I believe?" Accepting who I am, does not negate any choice for change, it merely identifies a starting point to change from.

slavegirljoy -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 2:56:42 PM)
Deciding to become the property of another is right, if that's what feels right for you. i am Master David's property, not because i consider myself to be no more valuable than a TV or a car but, because i decided that it was the best course of action for my well-being to choose to relinquish my rights to self-determination and hand over to Him all rights to own me, use me, and determine how i will live. i consented to having my life belong to Him and to accept His rule and decision-making over me. i agreed to serve Him, under His terms that W/we agreed to, and to allow Him to use me in the manner that suits Him, which was explicitly explained and discussed prior to my agreeing to become His property. The option of selling me was not part of O/our agreement and that would, not only defeat His desire to own me but, it would also break O/our covenant and give me reason to remove His collar and walk out of His life. i don't know of any two items of property that are of equal value or importance. my Master's car is far more valuable and important to Him than are His sandals or His collection of CDs or His TV or His recliner, etc., etc., and His slave is His most valuable and important possession. He is a very caring Master. He cares about His slave much more than He cares about any of His other possessions. If His sandals were lost or His TV were to quit working or His car was stolen, it would be an inconvenience but, it would not be devastating to Him. He wouldn't be heartbroken over it. But, He has often expressed to me, that if something were to happen to His slave and He no longer had her in His life, it would be a tremendous loss for Him. He has said that it took Him a very long time to find this slave and He doesn't want to ever have to try to replace her or to do without her. A TV and a car can be replaced. Should you embrace your feelings? i won't tell you what you should do. Feelings are personal and they fluctuate and some are positive and some are negative. i listen to my feelings and try to sort them out and understand them and put them into a perspective that is relative to my life and to what i truly need, in order to live it in the most positive, constructive, and meaningful way that i possibly can. There have been times in my life, when i was experiencing deep despair, that i had feelings of giving up and even feelings of suicide. i managed to keep from embracing those feelings and, instead, to reject them. There have been other times when i had feelings of wanting to be independent and not wanting to be involved with a man on any level, outside of work or casual friendships. i decided to embrace those feelings, for a time, and then to reconsider and to reject them. It's a matter of figuring out what is good for you and what works for you and to never stop listening to the little voice inside. As far as accepting who you are, what choice do you have? You are who you are. How can you not accept who you are? You might need to take a good hard look deep inside yourself to see who you really are but, what's the other option to accepting who you are? Are you going to try to be someone else? i wish you well in your search for your answers. slave joyOwned property of Master David quote: ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme hi there! i strongly believe that i need to be owned property (and have been before). Is it wrong of me to be seeking a position where i am no more (or even less) important than my owner's car/TV etc.? Or should i embrace these feelings and happily accept what i am? would love to hear E/everyone's thoughts! thank you! sophie

slavegirljoy -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/16/2007 3:50:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: happypervert I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I don't see a problem with you wanting to be owned. However, when you describe it as your nature rather than a function of a dynamic with a person and that you are looking for a "position" rather than the right person who brings that nature out of you, it just seems to me like a postcard from la la land. For me, needing to be an owned slave is my nature. In fact, i came to realize, after many years of being in and out of D/s and vanilla relationships, that it is my undeniable nature. i tried, many times over the years, to deny this fact and all i ended up with was feeling very unhappy and frustrated. i came to understand that being a sub to a Dom wasn't what i needed, in order to feel complete and content, and being in a vanilla relationship was outright counterproductive to my emotional health and well-being. i realized that what i needed was to be an owned slave. When i came to this realization, i actively searched for a 24/7 TPE slave position, not a particular person. That is what i advertised for and that is what i have found with a truly wonderful Master. Of course, i didn't go with the first person (or couple) to write to me. i communicated with several men, women, and couples, over the course of a few months, before being contacted by Master David. He and i had very detailed and honest talks about everything and W/we met before He made His decision that He wanted to own me and i made my decision that He was the One i wanted to belong to and serve. i'm not saying that this is necessarily the best way for people to go about finding what they need but, it worked for me and my Master. So, sometimes, for some people, this is the way that works. slave joy Owned property of Master David

MagiksSlave -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 3:56:57 PM)
Do I think it is right or good to think that way, well from a psycological point of view no, to me someone who feels that they should be no more importent then a car shows to me something may be wrong with self asteem and othere emotional issues and such, However that aside if this makes you happy who am I or anyone els to tell you it is wrong, a lot of what goes on in the scene is considered "wrong" but it makes us happy and as long as we harm no one what is the difference. Why do you care what we think here anyway, if your relationship is makeing you happy why ask for others aproval?? (this also shows lack of self confadence in your own desistions and such makeing me beleave there are some underlieing problems but thats just my opinion) Magik's slave

Sinergy -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 4:00:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dawntreader Since i began following taoist philosophy, i find the concept of right and wrong completely subjective and prefer to consider my own personal choices based on whether the choice serves my inner self. For me, I think Taoism really clarifies WIITWD far more than any other philosophy on the planet. If one looks at the Yin/Yang symbol, one sees what looks like two waves crashing into each other, one white and one black. However, the eye of one element is composed of the essence of the other element. Without it's complementary element, there would be nothing. It is not a conflict, it is a synergy. Taoism (the principle) is really the circle which defines the two elements in opposition. I derive what I am from my submissive. She derives what she is from her Dominant. The two sides compliment each other and make a whole that is greater than the sum of the parts. Just me, etc. Sinergy

slaveluci -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/16/2007 5:25:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin I have known of several instances where an owner transferred ownership of his property. One day slave Jane is the owned property of Master A...the next morning she is waking up in the home of Master B. That concept of transferring ownership or selling/trading one's slave was discussed clearly before I became Master's property. He made it very clear that no transfer, sale, trade or even lending out would EVER occur. When I became His property, I became His and His only - never to be touched or enjoyed by another man. If I had not been secure in the knowledge of that, I would have never entered into our relationship. Seems like that's a pretty big point to discuss BEFORE becoming someone's slave and not something that would just casually come up after the deal had been struck, so to speak[;)]......slave luci

WhiplashSmile -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/17/2007 11:50:51 AM)
There is not right or wrong answer to your question. If this is what you desire then it's right for you, perhaps wrong if you get involved in a relationship with somebody and still find yourself longing for this type of relationship.

shyinini -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/17/2007 1:36:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: girlforenslaveme hi there! i strongly believe that i need to be owned property (and have been before). Is it wrong of me to be seeking a position where i am no more (or even less) important than my owner's car/TV etc.? Or should i embrace these feelings and happily accept what i am? would love to hear E/everyone's thoughts! thank you! sophie I apologize for not reading through this thread. I am sure it has been said. I think itis the connotation you and the D type put on the word "property." I am Sir's property, but I amNOT equal to his car, his waterbed, his cat, his flogger. He has told me I am cherished, treasured,valued and his property. Simply, I am owned, but my status is far greater than other things he owns. Sir's property

714Lovin -> RE: Is it right to want to be property? (6/17/2007 1:40:50 PM)
It is not wrong for you to be yourself and not matter what that is there is always SOME ONE out there that compliments that perfectly.

flutemaster -> RE: Is it right to want to be property (6/17/2007 4:42:24 PM)
Hi girlforenslaveme. I think there are two different questions here. The first is, "is it right for me to want this" as a general desire/longing. The second is "is it right for me to want this with this person?" We cannot answer the first, because we all have longings, dreams, fantasies, hopes and desires. If those are such that they are causing you distress, anguish or are preventing you from fuctioning within the rule of law, then maybe there are issues to be explored and aid to be offered. However, if there were a person you were thinking about, then the question becomes more concrete. Then the answer would be to look at the potential ability of this person to fulfill those desires of yours...to most exactly create the dream you hav by creating the dream they have. On the other hand...if you were being drawn to a psychopath, or an abusive individual...then we might well express deep concerns for your safety. I think your desires are not commonplace...but not wrong for that. Be yourself...live your dream, and grow in self understanding and service to the forunate Master who claims you as his.

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