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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:04:42 AM

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hi dawntreader, i'm not sure it would change my mind

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:13:08 AM

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kittinsol.. yaaaa... as if!

BeingChewsie, I like that you picked up on the point of change of ownership. Quite recently Master was telling me how he was taught, what a slave is and means, that they are property, that they do what they are told, that they are pleasing and if they are not you sell them.... ummm... I did not say anything.. but I do believe my eyes looking into his conveyed something along the lines of...'do you realise just how ludicrous what you just said was?' After a long moment he said...'well.. I mean... of course.. ya know...you wouldn't actually sell her'.

I believe strongly in keeping a sense of reality. Whatever you may feel in your heart or in your head you are not and cannot be legally property. About the closest to it that you can get is my Master having a marriage certificate because that gives him rights that he would not have without it. But in reality you are not. By all means enter into it with everything you have, but one day you are going to get sick.. or old... or you have children and grandchildren to consider.. these are realities.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:20:53 AM

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Shantra, I fully understand that you think it's ludicrous...I pretty much share your thoughts as it would relate to my own life. But just because you and I think it is ludicrous does not mean that it doesn't happen. It does. I have known of several instances where an owner transferred ownership of his property. One day slave Jane is the owned property of Master A...the next morning she is waking up in the home of Master B.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:21:49 AM

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Since i began following taoist philosophy, i find the concept of right and wrong completely subjective and prefer to consider my own personal choices based on whether the choice serves my inner self. No matter how much we on this side of the kneel give in submission to another, we always retain that inner core and in my opinion, must be true to it in order to serve another with beauty, grace and singleness of heart. For me, it is what enhances the value to what i give - i don't serve because it is a need...i serve because it is my desire to do so~

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:22:00 AM

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agreed mistoferin. it does not happen often but it does happen and a slave has to be prepared to accept that as part of her role.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:22:23 AM

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My question about this would be- where does this feeling stem from? I don't believe it's wrong in itself, but some sources of this desire are inherently unstable. If you enter into such a relationship but your feelings change- that's not so good, for you or your owner. People do have a tendency to change, and such changes can't always be predicted, but for your own sake as well as that of a prospective owner, it would desirable to understand your own drives. You speak of 'accepting who you are', which is good- but you can't really accept yourself without knowing yourself.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:23:55 AM

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Not trying to be argumentative but I don't think you took that statement out far enough. A slave does not have to accept that as part of her role....only slaves who desire such a role have to accept that for as long as they continue to desire it.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:25:15 AM

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i understand mistoferin and that's why it's so important to decide with an owner what the ownership will involve at the outset

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:28:47 AM

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mistoferin, I would not argue that it happens. I know that it does as I know there is underground non consensual slavery happening too. I think you and I are on the same wavelength though from your latter post. The point is that this is not legal and no.. you do not have to put up with it. In fact, my Master says that whether slave or submissive you should retain the absolute right to walk out of the door. In legal terms, you do always have that right.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:30:49 AM

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I absolutely agree. However, as I am sure you know there are more than just a few instances of those who "feel" as though they don't have that right, even though the reality of it is that they do.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:32:06 AM

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true mistoferin. there are slaves who have signed contracts that they believe means they cannot walk out when a contract could not be enforced (or could it?!)

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:38:24 AM

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no.. such contracts are not recognised.

and mistoferin.. I totally agree.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 7:40:11 AM

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No it can't. Human non consensual slavery is illegal.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 8:15:32 AM

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Hi Shantra and Mistoferin,

I'm going to reply to both of you because I admit I still don't understand the mechanism of how this new guy became *owner*.

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ORIGINAL: Shantra

kittinsol.. yaaaa... as if!

BeingChewsie, I like that you picked up on the point of change of ownership. Quite recently Master was telling me how he was taught, what a slave is and means, that they are property, that they do what they are told, that they are pleasing and if they are not you sell them.... ummm... I did not say anything.. but I do believe my eyes looking into his conveyed something along the lines of...'do you realise just how ludicrous what you just said was?' After a long moment he said...'well.. I mean... of course.. ya know...you wouldn't actually sell her'.

I believe strongly in keeping a sense of reality. Whatever you may feel in your heart or in your head you are not and cannot be legally property. About the closest to it that you can get is my Master having a marriage certificate because that gives him rights that he would not have without it. But in reality you are not. By all means enter into it with everything you have, but one day you are going to get sick.. or old... or you have children and grandchildren to consider.. these are realities.

I wasn't discussing the legalities at all. I don't think it has any bearing at all on how humans or other animals become *owned* which is why I questioned the mechanism of how it occurs. I know it can and does occur, that is reality. I'm in agreement. I think it is far more complex than owned by Master A one day then owned by Master B the next, if it isn't then the girl was never *owned* to begin with.

I do believe that things can be *owned* absent state supported ownership. Ownership can occur absent laws to support it. The guy with the bengal tiger in his backyard can't legally *own* the tiger, but in the tiger's mind he is owner(where it probably matters most), and most people wouldn't argue that he owned the tiger.

Slave Jane may have been transferred to Master B's home but I fail to see how that simple change of address changed in her beliefs who her owner is. My owner could trade me for the neighbors Aston Martin, he could send me to live at the neighbor's house, the neighbor isn't my *owner* in any way that would be meaningful. In fact if the new guy didn't somehow keep me chained up, I'd leave. If I stayed it would be out of obedience to my former owner who still *owned* me in that way that matters...far too much of a cluster fuck for me.

I prefer enslavement by a man not a concept.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 8:17:25 AM

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I prefer enslavemnt by a man not a concept.

Excellent point!

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 8:21:17 AM

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BeingChewsie, would you never accept a change of owner, would it not just take some time?

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RE: Is it right to want to be property? - 6/16/2007 8:25:51 AM

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I don't see a problem with this at all. I've often floated pretty close to that desire, if not completely over the line itself. The only concern I see is that you have to keep an eye out for those who really aren't looking for someone to be their property in the way you desire, but are just looking for an easy end run to their immediate satisfaction.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 8:40:32 AM

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quote:

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thanks for your replies E/everyone but was just wondering if you yoursleves thought it was wrong or right for a girl to think that way

It's not right or wrong in my opinion. There is only what works and what makes you happy. It's not my way of thinking, but it doesn't bother me - so as long as those who do think this way aren't silly enough to think it applies to all women.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property? - 6/16/2007 8:49:48 AM

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If you have lived in the reality of this before and this is what you know you want, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't go for it. I love objectification, but living as less than someones car wasn't for me. If it makes you happy, then that's what matters, or doesn't matter..depends on how you look at it.

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RE: Is it right to want to be property - 6/16/2007 9:04:11 AM

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BeingChewsie, would you never accept a change of owner, would it not just take some time?

My owner can rid himself of me anytime, what he can't do, is make another person my *owner*(in any meaningful way), only that other person can, maybe, if I hung around long enough to find out. I'm saying it is very unlikely I would hang around to find out. I'm -not- enslaved by the concept of slavery.

You probably shouldn't listen to me, I'm a heathen.

It isn't nearly as simple as signing over the keys and the title.

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