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Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 7:24:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone seen this yet? Is it any good? It seems either people love it or they hate it. Is it like the first one?

I'm undecided whether to see it in the theaters or wait for DVD.
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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 8:10:15 PM   
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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 8:16:12 PM   
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Anyone seen this yet? Is it any good? It seems either people love it or they hate it. Is it like the first one?

I'm undecided whether to see it in the theaters or wait for DVD.


i doubt i'll watch it, the first one was lame


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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 9:19:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks violent and slasherish; I'm not a fan of sensless violence and murder. I didn't see the first one, I don't plan on seeing the second one as curious as I am, I would probably get sick watching it or just appauled.

A buddy who DID see and likes that sorta stuff, said he will NEVER stay in a hostile or let his gf.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 10:41:06 PM   
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Anyone seen this yet? Is it any good? It seems either people love it or they hate it. Is it like the first one?

I'm undecided whether to see it in the theaters or wait for DVD.


The first one was so awful that the second one could only be better, but I doubt it. Call me a horror snob but making me squirm in my seat does not make a horror film.

I rented Hostel and Wolf Creek the same weekend. My oldest son and I watched Hostel first and then Wolf Creek. Wolf Creek was better than Hostel, but that isn't saying very much.

Wait for DVD.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 10:41:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Surprisingly, it was actually pretty good. Although I didn't like the ending all that much, the movie overall was better than the first one.
Yes, it is pretty violent, and you have to be a fan of horror movies to really get into it. But the acting was pretty good and the directing was much better than the first.

It seems every horror coming out now is upping the ante. Saw 4 will be out in October along with Rob Zombie's Halloween remake.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 10:42:44 PM   
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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/14/2007 10:46:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The whole genre of 'horror' has changed, for the worse at times, its all about grossing out the audiance and beign violent, some of the scarriest things are NOT violent or gorey, they are psychological.

Horror and gross movies desensatize people to violence, thats not a smart thing. No wonder kids are getting so messed up, look what is out there.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/15/2007 5:53:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think horror movies have changed as such, they just tend to go in cycles. The current crop of 'torture' movies which encapsulates the likes of the Saw series, the pair of Hostel movies, the Hills Have Eyes remake etc are no more graphic or extreme than some of the movies that came out in the 1980s, and which became the focus of a media campaign here in England to get them banned and resulted in the Video Recordings Act 1984. These films included such delights as Zombie Flesh Eaters, The Evil Dead, a couple of the Ilsa movies, Driller Killer etc.

After that horror became more sanitised again, with horror in some cases becoming a dirty word for promoting a film as happened with 1991's Silence of the Lambs which was promoted as a thriller when it was clearly a horror movie (even director Jonathon Demme admitted as such to Fangoria magazine at the time). We've basically just swung back to the other side of the pendulum again with this current crop of 'gorno' (as they are termed) movies. However, even this trend looks to be on the wane once more as both Hostel 2 and Grindhouse, both hard R-rated pictures, flopped at the box office, and rumours abound now that the studio is pushing for Rob Zombie's Halloween reimagining to be cut for a PG-13 audience (although as Zombie himself is quoted as saying, "I don't watch PG-13 movies, let alone make them", so this should be interesting to watch).

As for kids getting messed up by these movies, all of the recent crop of 'extreme' movies have been R-rated in the US and 18 certificates over here, which means that kids shouldn't be watching them anyway. In any case, a few gory horror movies are going to have much less of a negative effect on children than exposure to drugs or alcohol - I know which I'd rather any child of mine was experiencing. (And for the record I saw dozens of horror movies as a child and I turned out OK  )

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/15/2007 10:50:35 AM   
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The whole genre of 'horror' has changed, for the worse at times, its all about grossing out the audiance and beign violent, some of the scarriest things are NOT violent or gorey, they are psychological.

Horror and gross movies desensatize people to violence, thats not a smart thing. No wonder kids are getting so messed up, look what is out there.


Kids shouldnt be watching these movies...that is why they are rated R. If parents are letting their kids watch them (and yes I have seen parents bring 8 year olds into movies like Saw III), that is a parental problem.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/15/2007 3:08:20 PM   
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Kids shouldnt be watching these movies...that is why they are rated R. If parents are letting their kids watch them (and yes I have seen parents bring 8 year olds into movies like Saw III), that is a parental problem.


If you remember "Blade" the movie with the vampires and Wesley Snipes years ago, you can see my point. I went with my sister who was in her teens and my mother to see the 11 o'clock showing of the moivie before I went to see it with soem friends at the drive-in and in the theatre were 4 or 5 small children, as in UNDER age 7. They freaked out during the movie. That movie was not as bad as SAW or Hostile, but it was gross and bloody enough.

Its sad that a lot of parents don't seem to care what their kids watch; desensativing children is deplorable, its also doing more harm than good.

Whatever happened to parental ethics and to protecting children from such things??

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/17/2007 6:30:32 AM   
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Whatever happened to parental ethics and to protecting children from such things??


I completely agree, but I alwso think that this is not a good reason to prevent adults like myself who understand that these are just movies, and who like to be frightened or grossed out now again from seeing such movies. In my opinion, the R-rating in the US whereby people (i.e. children) are allowed in with a 'responsible' adult is stupid - over here an '18' movie means that nobody under the age of 18 is allowed in, period, and thus there is not an issue with these idiot parents allowing their children to see unsuitable movies.

Of course, whether they then let them watch them at home is another matter, but sadly there is not yet a law against stupidity in the home

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/17/2007 6:46:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		i was so disappointed in the first Hostel that i can only think that the second one could not possibly be worse but i will not pay move-theater prices to see if this is true.  i will probably rent it though.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/17/2007 10:50:36 AM   
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Whatever happened to parental ethics and to protecting children from such things??


I completely agree, but I also think that this is not a good reason to prevent adults like myself who understand that these are just movies, and who like to be frightened or grossed out now again from seeing such movies. In my opinion, the R-rating in the US whereby people (i.e. children) are allowed in with a 'responsible' adult is stupid - over here an '18' movie means that nobody under the age of 18 is allowed in, period, and thus there is not an issue with these idiot parents allowing their children to see unsuitable movies.

Of course, whether they then let them watch them at home is another matter, but sadly there is not yet a law against stupidity in the home


Adults are suppose to be mature enough to handle that stuff. I DO like the idea of 18 means 18. Period. No admitance to ANYONE under age 18. I'm gonna stir up some trouble and write to the movie ratings board. I'm sure the mom's groups I am in will jump on board.

At home, my son as watched 'scarry' movies, he is normally plying through them so he catches a few things here and there, nothing to give him nighmares {I watch those when he is in bed}, besides, when he does pay attention he looks and goes 'cool' then goes back to playing. No harm done.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/17/2007 10:57:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		fast reply - if you enjoy gorno (horror/gore and porn) then you'll enjoy this movie ...it does mix some BDSM play with the horror scenes in this one however imho it went over the top in some areas with the gore. i personally really didn't like it (thank goodness i got to see it for free) though i did like the first one Hostel movie ...there's a new movie coming out soon in the gorno genre called Captivity which i believe has the same premise as the Hostel and Saw movies

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/17/2007 7:34:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a big horror fan and I enjoy both gore and the more psychological type of horror. I loved the first Hostel and will go see the 2nd as soon as I can.

I'm on the band wagon of "18 means 18." If parents want their kids to watch it, they can do so in the privacy of their own home.

I for one am tired of watch violence and sex with 5yr olds sitting next to me...not to mention trying to hear the movie through the screaming of babies.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/19/2007 12:09:35 AM   
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Adults are suppose to be mature enough to handle that stuff. I DO like the idea of 18 means 18. Period. No admitance to ANYONE under age 18. I'm gonna stir up some trouble and write to the movie ratings board. I'm sure the mom's groups I am in will jump on board.

At home, my son as watched 'scarry' movies, he is normally plying through them so he catches a few things here and there, nothing to give him nighmares {I watch those when he is in bed}, besides, when he does pay attention he looks and goes 'cool' then goes back to playing. No harm done.


Well...I don't know if I agree with that. I mean I have been watching horror movies since I was a kid and today I don't have any urges to chase my neighbor down the street with a chainsaw.
Sure you don't bring 8 year olds to something like this but I think unless the person in question is not stable psychologically, I dont think you have to say 18 and over only.

I don't think society is influenced by horror movies. I think it is the other way around actually. I think horror movies reflect the horrors of society, and these films simply play on those horrors. Serial killers do exist in the world. Psychopaths like Norman Bates do exist. And many people believe in ghosts and the supernatural. So those ghost stories do their job in frightening those people. Halloween uses the fear of stalkers. The Freddy movies use the fear of nightmares. The Saw movies even lightly touch the idea of morals. And movies like Hostel show how greed and money can lead to corruption and turn people to pure evil.

On the surface most horror films look like nothing but a bunch of blood to entertain weird people that actually like seeing that. But if you look hard enough, you will see most horror films do have a meaning of some sort behind it.

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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/19/2007 3:43:01 AM   
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Children get to see more violence and sex on prime time than a 90min film down the cinema.  There is an awful amount of blood and violence on the news, with the visuals of war and politics - let alone anything else.
 
It's what adults do to explain it, that makes the difference much of the time.
 
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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/19/2007 7:00:07 AM   
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Adults are suppose to be mature enough to handle that stuff. I DO like the idea of 18 means 18. Period. No admitance to ANYONE under age 18. I'm gonna stir up some trouble and write to the movie ratings board. I'm sure the mom's groups I am in will jump on board.



there already IS a rating above R.  it's called NC-17 and has been a flop.  it was introduced around 1990.  Only a handful of films have ever been marked with that rating.  Most will simply re-edit down to an R or switch to NR.


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RE: Hostel: Part 2? - 6/19/2007 7:06:01 AM   
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fast reply - if you enjoy gorno (horror/gore and porn) then you'll enjoy this movie ...it does mix some BDSM play with the horror scenes in this one however imho it went over the top in some areas with the gore.


That's something i've been thinking about the Saw/Hostel "gorno" genre... some of the elements are actually kind of hot (like the LOOK of the bear trap headpiece that they used in the ads for the first Saw... ), but then they ruin it with all the messiness. i can't help but think our culture is fairly fucked when i consider the fact that if they DIDN'T slaughter the victims in a bloody fashion, but instead, say, gave them an orgasm, they wouldn't be able to show it in normal theaters or advertise it on TV. 'Cuz, you know, that would be immoral

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