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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 8:39:45 AM   
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I tend to have a problem in my attractions go towards the more arrogant/competent/social types.  These also tend to be the "rock star" types so I can end up like a groupie.

The good news is that I also attract the newbies as well and have recognized my patterns enough to be wary of them and avoid the traps for the most part.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 8:42:28 AM   
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Many of us take a lot of time to reflect on what personality traits in a partner will best meet our needs and compliment us. Do you find that your pre conceived ideas of what you want are in sync with what works best for you in reality, or do certain personalities initially attract you but then don't prove to really be a good "fit"?


My mother always called them my "strays". I tend to attract and be surrounded by very needy males, lifestyle and otherwise. It is what I enjoy and what I want, though it can burn you out if it is a constant thing. I look for a very specific mix of emotional needyness and self-dependance.  Someone who is capable of thinking and acting on their own, but still need me to be the support system they run to. I want someone who keeps their own ideas and opinions even when they are submitted to me, and who does not back own from their beliefs just becasue I dont agree with them.
Luckily, I have been able to find Angel, who is most of what I want. I am also the white knight type, I want someone who needs to be rescued. Usualy, itll bite me in the ass since I spend that much time helping them respect themselves and when their confidence returns I lose them. That is stil a concern with Kitten, but he is worth the effort to find out if he will stick it out of bolt.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 8:46:55 AM   
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Fast reply:
I see a number of posts here about the "strong sub" seeking the "strong Dom". I think there was a bit on the Taken-in-hand site about how the alpha female wolf basically runs the show, but bares her neck to one wolf only - the alpha male. (No citation, as the knowledge is in the public domain). Its a role I strongly identify with. I couldn't find it in the vanilla realm, so have begun searching through the D/s, M/s realm - and so far (bar the inevitable idiots you'll find anywhere), the search looks more promising here. Whether what I seek turns out to be what I think I want remains to be seen however.
 
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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 8:56:31 AM   
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Do you find that your pre conceived ideas of what you want are in sync with what works best for you in reality, or do certain personalities initially attract you but then don't prove to really be a good "fit"?


I think for me, its a mix of both. I know what traits and qualities I want in a Master/partner/Husband, an I seek those out, it goes back to the 'needs/wants/desires' for me; I know what my strengths and weaknesses are, an I want someone who will balance my weaknesses and feed on my strengths if they are his weaknesses or if they are his strengths make us both stronger. I want the knight in shining armour, I want the man who will take care of me and protect me and guide me; at the same time I am independant because its who I am and what has been needed; am I a bit 'needy' at times, it comes out, I keep that under control as much as I can.

My pre-concieved notions and reality are basically on the same level. I work hard to keep them that way, if not, oh well, its how it works.



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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 9:02:12 AM   
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I personally search for men who are intelligent, humorous, strong, confident, a bit macho and submissive. They must be pleasing to me, particularly in the bedroom. They must also share outlooks and hobbies with myself. Those are the types of males that attract me and the ones that I would consider a relationship with.

I have been involved with alphamales in the past and we fought like two lions over a piece of meat. I do not want nor need to be controlled so those relationships were stormy and over quickly.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 9:17:10 AM   
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      Greetings everyone,
 
What a great topic, erin!
When I first began to explore bdsm, I formed an image of what I wanted in a partner.
I ruefully now refer to him as my "Disney Dom".
He would be single, interested in a long term monogamous relationship, financially stable, emotionally available, physically available upon my schedule, and his interests in bdsm would be a perfect complement to mine.
It didn't even occur to me I'd find other men who didn't fit my ideal appealing, but now that I've had a chance to chat with people who live their lives far differently than mine, I can say I had alot of preconceived ideas, and my thinking was pretty narrowed.
I'm not saying I'd actively seek out a relationship that is not monogamous or that I'd seek out a relationship with someone who enjoys sadism, but I'm much more willing to listen to their experiences and decide if our needs could be blended, especially if there is a spark there. Before I'd have summarily dismissed any potential.
Also, good food for thought about the question as to whether or not we pick relationships that require little effort.
I know in the past I've chosen relationships where I had to invest very little of myself.
We'd more or less just drift apart, and end amicably, and if I run into them, we'll sit down and have a cup of coffee and chat.
I justified this by saying, "Well, at least they didn't end as horribly as my engagement, and we're still friends."
It's been in the recent few years of juggling serious family health issues and the death of my mother that I've come to realize that in the blink of an eye life can change and I should grab at happiness because it tends to be fleeting.
 
           Have a wonderful weekend, all...miss
 

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 9:22:55 AM   
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<snip>To be honest, at first it scared he shit out of me. These were women that I had to make sure I was totally together to have a relationship with. I couldn't be lazy with them. They challenged me to be better and to grow. <snip>


LaT....I find your response very interesting. I wonder how often people get into relationships that will not require that they do any self work. Not that it may be a concious decision...but I wonder if it is common to simply go with what is going to require the least amount of effort...even when it's not what would ultimately be best for us. Then we wonder down the road why our relationships become stagnant.


It is interesting, even to me, now that I think about it. The reality is that I get bored with people easily. Yeah, I know that sounds snobbish but it isn't the way I mean it. Maybe I am weird but I enjoy being challenged. I like to learn and explore. One of my favourite sayings is "the day I stop learning is the day I stop living". Therefor being around people that inspire me, can teach me something, and/or, learn something with me.....these are the people that hold my interest. The flip side of that is that it is easy for me to stagnate and become lazy so I have to be watchful of myself in that regard.


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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 10:25:07 AM   
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chuckles,

gawd i am so glad to read your words.

I ,too, always swore i would NEVER be with a sadist*grins really big* till i found out i am capable of learning pain complience.
i found it out when i got whipped (that ole Gor initiory thing) and branded.

yet i'm not a pain slut in the freaking least*go figure* i just wanted Him to be pleased with me

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 10:50:08 AM   
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A very interesting thread. I do find though, that we have skipped over a few personality types. I have recently been through a relationship where the girl seemed to be everything I liked, only to have her tell me she had been hiding her true personality. Now she wonders why I would rather not see her. Go figure.
  It was mentioned that some people look for what they call "rough draft" or "unfinished" personalities, someone that they can smooth out the rough patches with. What happens, though, when you try to change them in a way they don't feel is best for them. Like taking a male you like for his strength, and then trying to make him the weak one? (Not the same as a strong male with a submissive personality).
I do know what I want, but too often I find people who just play the role to get close to me, then let themselves come out.Then you find that they aren't at all what you thought. That is part of why I no longer tell people exactly what I am looking for.
I will admit, I have approached some women based almost solely on looks( a bad idea online sometimes ) , but i have to say, even someone with the perfect personality has to have some physical attraction too.
Finally, I often hear women bemoan the fact that all the guys they have dated were "jerks" or worse, and ask their girlfriends " Why can't I find a nice guy?" . My advice, next time you feel like that, take a good look around, there is probably one very close, asking himself why women like you always choose the jerks.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 10:50:49 AM   
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I'm very attracted to the bad boy biker gruff and rough man.
It seems if he's arrogant, strong willed, and Dominant I get all stirred up inside.
I learned a long time ago most (not all) of these men have no self control and are rarely big enough social butterflies for me.
While I respond to them, I seldom date them as the heat only carries me so far.
I don't have one type of guy I seek.
Pretty much I seek intelligence, compassion, honor, integrity, open communications and an overdrive sexuality in men I think about working toward a relationship with.
Pencil pusher, or biker just ends up that way based on the spirit of someone.
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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 10:58:52 AM   
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I've been in relationships with verbally/psychologically abusive men in the past and it's not something I'm willing to do again. They were all very domineering, which I think was the initial attraction for me (at that point I knew nothing about D/s, had no idea it even existed). When I look back on it now, I think the draw was not being equal in the relationship, I just had no idea that wasn't the only way it could happen..ie..it made me feel like crap at least 75% of the time, but at least the control was there. Once I did found out about D/s..things pretty much fell into place.
 
 Having said that, there is still some baggage, and the biggest indicator I have now that there's potential in a relationship is that feeling of "oh, he's treating me really well and I'm not used to that";  it's not always a comfortable feeling, and when I am too comfortable is when I start to worry.. -laughs- that's probably pretty screwed up, but it works for me. Now I just need to get to the point that when I do meet the right person, I'm not terrified I'm going to screw it up somehow (again..baggage)..oh well, small steps.
 
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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 11:16:09 AM   
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i think not only knowing yourself but being able to put that into words accurately and explicitly is not an easy thing for everyone. Some people are very eloquent and find describing feelings, thoughts, desires etc. easy. Others are more abstract and find it difficult to be so specific about what they think, feel, need, want, and even who they are. This can certainly lead to misunderstandings and even assumptions.
 
i also think that fantasy and reality can be very confusing until they're carried out. i have to know the difference between what i find enjoyable in my head only and what i'm capable of doing in real life. For example, the idea of being micromanaged and controlled every moment sounds titilating to me. But i know my personality well enough to see that i can do that for a few hours, or maybe even a day or 2, but it would never work as a way of life. So Master and i have found a way to blend fantasy and reality. When He feels like having absolute, complete, micromanagement type of control over me, He puts me in high slave mode where i have to depend on Him for everything and ask to take any action. Would either of U/us like this all the time, every day - nope.
 
So i think alot of people do have trouble differentiating what looks attractive to them in their head and what they are capable of and willing to do in a real 24/7 relationship. Unfortunately they don't find this out until they are interacting with another and the reality of the situation sets in.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 12:12:32 PM   
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theres a saying in a group i belong to and i can't think of it exactly but heres the paraphrase - We'd rather sit in comfortable misery than attempt uncomfortable change.
now, that being said, i just shocked the hell out of myself when i realized that i haven't been in a relationship for 8 months...i think thats the longest i've gone since i turned 18...i think something finally set in with the whole, how can you offer something to someone else that you don't have yourself...which for me is a sense of who i am and what i believe in and all sorts of essential things that i killed off or ignored with my actions...
as for the types i have attracted...someone said something about "strays"...yea well the last one i picked up was homeless too...so a full blown stray...and they seem to be sexually agressive, emotionally unavailable or traumatized much older than me men...gee i know how to pick em, huh? so i am trying something new, cause my past patterns sure as hell don't work...
well i'm off to see the wizard to ask for a brain...
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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 12:40:21 PM   
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It's been just recently (in the last year or so) what my own limits for being in a relationship really are. That's when i came up with the "if i have to choose between being miserable with you or miserable alone, i'll choose to be alone"  My reasoning for this is that if i am alone, there is a chance something will change, but i can't change the other person, won't even try anymore.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 1:00:43 PM   
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Trust me, men who have issues in the long term are nothing new, nor exclusive to BDSM.

I think people can be happy with a lot of things.  I've had good relationships in which a female was my pet- entirely submissive, living to please me.  I liked some of those a good bit.  I've also had vanilla relationships, some with bright, intelligent, dominant females.  While no one really gets along with me if they're close and dominant (as I've yet to concede it to anyone, being the reason I keep a strong emotional distance from most), many of such girls have been submissive, even if mildly so, to me, and that's worked.

It's not that I don't know what I want.  It's that I want several things- any of which, or multiple of which, I'd be content with.  I find it absolutely silly that so many people believe that there's one thing that'd make them happy.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 2:32:39 PM   
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It sounds to me as though your friend is suffering from what I call "White Knight Syndrome". This s a problem I had when i was younger, about the time I was really coming to grips with my dominant/sadistic nature. It led to little more than grief, and eventually a re-evaluation of myself and what I truly wanted in life.
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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 3:23:34 PM   
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my pre-concieved notions of what was best for me, in fact turned out to not be so great for me. Many moons later I looked at relationships again, but this time dropped all notions of what I wanted. I did this on-line.

I met or interacted with 160 men. Mr Number One turned out to be someone very different than I would have picked years earlier. Lucky me to find such a miracle in my life. My poor patterns have now been broken.  

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 3:56:53 PM   
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I, myself, have had the opposite problem. I have met men who say they want someone who is strong, capable and self reliant....only to later have them tell me that I am not needy or dependent enough.


I have heard that often enough.  The very things that attracted many people to me are the things that they ended up complaining about the most. 

This time I did a really good job in determining what I wanted and getting into a relationship that works for me.

I think for some people, the reality of something is not as fun as the fantasy of it and they get stuck repeating the same old patterns.  Many times it isn't the other person that needs to be changed but yourself that needs some work.  I think we attract the people to our lives that will provide us with what we need at that moment.  It may not be what we want, but we can learn a lesson from it.  If the lesson is not learned the same type of people will keep showing up in your life until you learn it.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 4:41:48 PM   
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This is a great thread, mistoferin. I'm always suggesting to folks that if they keep failing they need to look at how they are communicating but also at what is attracting them.

Breaking free of what attracts us can be difficult. It maybe one of those very early formed parts of us. But I think it can be done.

I reflect on what attracted me to people all the time. Sadly I'm hard pressed to describe that. I do know things that have not worked out in the past and I tend to avoid them now -- someone not single, someone who hasn't worked on their "problems," someone who isn't geeky, etc. I don't think those are personality traits so much.

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RE: Is the personality type you search for really what ... - 6/8/2007 4:54:35 PM   
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There is a Dominant I know who has had a series of failed relationships. He is a bit of a white knight and is always choosing submissives who struggle in life and are very dependent. The problem comes in though when they try to form a partnership. Their lack of ability to be autonomous drives him crazy after a while. The very things he says he wants in a partner, and the things that initially attract him to those people....end up being the things that he has the biggest issues with in the long term.

I, myself, have had the opposite problem. I have met men who say they want someone who is strong, capable and self reliant....only to later have them tell me that I am not needy or dependent enough.

Many of us take a lot of time to reflect on what personality traits in a partner will best meet our needs and compliment us. Do you find that your pre conceived ideas of what you want are in sync with what works best for you in reality, or do certain personalities initially attract you but then don't prove to really be a good "fit"?


I have never searched for a personality type. It seems like a pretty weak way to go about things.

I try to open myself to who and what the world presents, and to try to make some music where the resonation is most compelling, you might say.

It may be brief or enduring, deep or shallow, broad or narrow. I wonder if my habit of seeing people as uniquely inspirited individuals rather than asinstances of psychological "types" has helped me avoid the syndrome described over and over here, that of serial, similar, crap relationships?

To my way of seeing, encountering another person as "an alpha male" or as "an A type" or as "a natural submissive" is pretty close to encountering them as a nigger or a kyke or a fag or a piece of ass. The sin in each case is to consider a person an object, first--a means rather than an end, to put it in Kantian terms. To me it is the same sort of sin whether the theoretical object which stands in our mind for the person in front of us it is an object of racial prejudice or an object of quasi-scientific analysis.

Though while of the same type of course these sins can vary in severity.

I don't know how one loves a type, for one thing, and I suspect that how one loves a type is .... not so well. And that the "type" you choose to engage with (seen--as shown by your language--as being prior to the person who represents the type) doesn't do an entirely great job of loving you back, well, that doesn't surprise me. I doubt "types" can love any better than they can be loved.

I wonder what would happen if, just as an experiment, you were to spend a year refraining utterly from classifying people in your psychological taxonomy, instead to just encounter them as they are without any theoretical constructs lying like bundling boards athwart your attempts at intimacy with them.

To never ever say "you just did something passive-aggressive" or "you just displayed control/abandonment/etc/etc issues" but rather to say: "Hey, you just did <this>" ... to encounter it as what it is rather than for what some theory classsifies it as, and to encounter them as people rather than instances of types.

I suspect that many people encounter me as a type. They check off some box or boxes early on and figure thay have me sussed.

Often enough I don't much care and occaisionally I'm able to use their preconceptions as levers. Sometimes I suppose it irks me. Sometimes it might sadden me, other times amuse me.

I mean maybe they do have me sussed. I don't know.

What I do know is that the people who have become friends of decades standing, or lovers, or heroes of mine have tended to be people who did not handle other people with the oven mitts of theory but who were able instead to be in the moment, grasping bare-handed and open-heartedly the being who stood before them in all their flawed glory.


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