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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 6:10:45 AM   
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"and there are some box-of-rocks motherfuckers here too.


Not the topic at hand, lol. These people can mostly spell and use correct grammer. Why is that?



I have to do this because it's just too funny to ignore. It's grammar...not grammer.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 6:42:37 AM   
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Thank you, thank you, for the compliment, but most people who take the time to write in forums like this are self-selecting and articulate.  It's not a random sample of humanity.

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I've been on collarme for only a couple weeks, but I've noticed that most are very articulate.



People who write well tend to enjoy forums, even for the forums you are speaking of where they don't write well, I bet the people who participate write better than others in the same industry.


As for spelling, mine sucks but the Google tool bar saves my ass!

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 8:22:12 AM   
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Does an open mind coincide with brains? What do you think?



Perhaps, but brains for what is the question. A certain type of openness can be indicative of an enlightened mind, which is to say those who truly do possess the ability to be open to new experiences and grow without losing their sense of reality in the process show good grounding and wisdom. There is a propensity among the intellectual and pseudo intellectual elite to reinvent and muddy up a lot of simple truths in the name of "openness." Some operate under the chaos of this banner simply to get what they want, truth be damned. One cannot deny there is a clever intelligence behind this, but its end product ultimately and ironically is stupidity and suffering.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 8:48:58 AM   
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I participate in another forum which is slightly different than this one and not bdsm related at all.  I've found that the literary skills of those other people far exceed this forum.  No offense folks. 


nu n tkin you sellf writeous hoar.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 8:58:04 AM   
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I find that those lower down the socio economic strata are disproportionately unrepresented not only here but in real life bdsm and alternative lifestyle events. Since education is more likely to propel one up the socio economic strata, I conclude that in general, the bdsm and alternative lifestyle population must be better educated than the general population on average.


You queer your own sample--that's the problem with broad conclusions derived from anecdotal data.  Your anecdotal data says nothing about real life BDSM--it says something abotu the people you meet in BDSM.  The people you meet in BDSM, and the people you meet at "lifestyle" events are that part of population that has the same propensities you do.  Even clinical data about who attends alternative lifestyle events wouldn't say shit about people into alternative lifestyles--it would say something about people who attend events, just as CM and B.com don't represent people into BDSM but rather "people who participate in digital BDSM discursive spaces."

One of the reason elitists find that their anecdotal experience reassures them of their self-conception as above average is that they use self-reinforcing criteria.  Once you make the tropes and motifs of your identity group the criteria for smart, then of course as you bump into your personally queered sample population, you see those tropes and motifs and find proof of your self-assesment as smart. 

Once you take your conclusion as your premise, it's pretty easy to get there.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 9:00:53 AM   
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Does an open mind coincide with brains? What do you think?


Sure, an open mind lends itself to more ideas and to to learning, learning makes one use more brain matter. so sure.
An open-mind = more brains. I can see it.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 9:04:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I participate in another forum which is slightly different than this one and not bdsm related at all.  I've found that the literary skills of those other people far exceed this forum.  No offense folks. 


Sooooo, when you come here you are just slumming?!?!?! WELL! The neeerve. I am sooooo glad that you even bother to grace us with your presence at all! Fine then, be that way, go hang out with your smartypants lil know it all.......blank blank blank (because I ran out of creative crap) friends!!!

Haaarumph! (and a door slam for good measure)


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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 9:14:21 AM   
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Sure, an open mind lends itself to more ideas and to to learning, learning makes one use more brain matter. so sure.
An open-mind = more brains. I can see it.


What's the criteria for "open-minded" though?  I've found people usually mean "agrees with me" when they talk about being open-minded.  Anyone who doesn't see things their way is "close-minded."  Honestly, I see the word used rhetorially as a value judgement most times.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 9:20:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can't attribute greater intellectual ability to members on this site in general. A large number of CM profiles are appallingly badly written - moreso than on vanilla sites (IMHO) I'd have to say. But the desire/willingness to voice an opinion/pose a question to the forums does seem to come more often from those who are perhaps.... more "in touch" with the right side of their brains (if one adheres to that theory). In that respect maybe a greater proportion of the "thinkers" participate and write than those who think only with those organs responsible for procreation, which does make the forum "self selecting".



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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 10:09:59 AM   
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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 1:47:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MarkMinette

Does an open mind coincide with brains? What do you think?



Hello MarkMinette. NO! That's final!

I'm kidding, that is a complete fallacy. There are brillant so called "close minded" people (skeptics) and a lot of  "dim" so called "open minded" people (gullables). Some people are simply opened to the "exceptional", the "ambiguous" and to a more extravagantly detailed discursive route  . Others? well they like traditional straight to the point stuff!

One makes for nice literary allegories, ellipses etc, and the other, for the more straight shooting "subject, verb and complement" consequent and to the point "short style". You can discern "brains" from this?

As for writing skills, it is a skill. You have a lot of smart people who write "simply" and a lot of smart ass people who write quite "elegantly" (and do they know it!). Just read posts and try to figure out which is which, this can be fun. RL.


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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 2:05:53 PM   
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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 2:19:07 PM   
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I'm a member of 3 professional trade-related sites (all regarding my career, but cannot divulge this info). Although these people are very "trade smart", and offer invaluable information, their literary skills, to say the least, "suck". I've been on collarme for only a couple weeks, but I've noticed that most are very articulate. Coincidence? I really doubt it. Does an open mind coincide with brains? What do you think?



Those who post and seek information on the trade related sites probably do so out of a need for some information or exchange of services, i doubt their primary reason is enjoyment or leisure.  Being well educated and/or intelligent doesn't necessarily mean you will be an articulate writer.  Just like being an articulate writer doesn't necessaily mean you will be an articulate public speaker. These are skills you either have or develop with practice. 

The term "open-mind" is too obscure.  Who is to determine what it means to have an "open mind"?  It brings to my mind someone who espouses very few strong opinions of their own and sort of goes along with everything, accepting all points of view.   

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 2:33:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've noticed that most of the posts appear to be well written and generally contain intelligent discourse (although god have I seen a few shockers!)... but if you look at the profiles there is a more even spread of poor grammar and spelling etc. Perhaps the profiles themselves are more indicative of the intelligence / education spread of bdsmers rather than just looking at the posts. I doubt I would post here if I didn't feel my language skills could match what I see others writing...


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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 2:48:29 PM   
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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 2:51:11 PM   
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It's amazing how "likes what I like" = open mind.


Great minds think alike, lol. No, seriously, that is a common mistake. Like "freedom to speak what I want to hear", and so forth. There's also the related issue of how it is now very politically correct to "be open-minded"; all the "good boys/girls" are, apparently, except when something grates their sensibilities. One of the last paragraphs of What You Can't Say deals with this, commenting (emphasis mine):
Who thinks they're not open-minded? Our hypothetical prim miss from the suburbs thinks she's open-minded. Hasn't she been taught to be? Ask anyone, and they'll say the same thing: they're pretty open-minded, though they draw the line at things that are really wrong. (Some tribes may avoid "wrong" as judgemental, and may instead use a more neutral sounding euphemism like "negative" or "destructive".)

When people are bad at math, they know it, because they get the wrong answers on tests. But when people are bad at open-mindedness they don't know it. In fact they tend to think the opposite. Remember, it's the nature of fashion to be invisible. It wouldn't work otherwise. Fashion doesn't seem like fashion to someone in the grip of it. It just seems like the right thing to do. It's only by looking from a distance that we see oscillations in people's idea of the right thing to do, and can identify them as fashions.

He puts it better than I can, hence using the quote.


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There are some awfully intelligent people here, and there are some box-of-rocks motherfuckers here too.


That would be me. Either one, depending on who you ask.


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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 6:52:27 PM   
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Coincidence? I really doubt it. Does an open mind coincide with brains? What do you think?



I agree.. I doubt it as well.... But.

it is a chicken and an egg thing. 

Does Open-mindedness lead to improved intellect and wisdom... I believe it is possible.

Does High intellect and Wisdom lead to being more open-mindedness... I believe that is possible.

but can one exist with out the other.. I believe that is possible as well.

So... I guess it's not so simple as you would like to believe.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/8/2007 7:31:58 PM   
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~Think of how stupid the average person is and then realize that half of them are stupider than that. And it doesn't take you very long to spot one of them does it? Take you about eight seconds. You'll be listening to some guy...you say..."this guy is fucking stupid!" Then...then there are some people, their not stupid...their full of shit. Huh? That doesn't take very long to spot either, does it? Take you about the same amount of time. You'll be listening to some guy..and saying, "well, he's fairly intelligent......ahht, he's full of shit!" Then there are some people, their not stupid, their not full of shit...their fucking nuts!~ George Carlin


Hello chellekitty. Don't you just love George Carlin? Now, there's a "smart" smart ass! When he started  he was a smart ass, doing smart ass comedy, today? An oft cited and respected  very intelligent social commentator! Maybe there is an intelligent "future" for the smart ass? hey? RL.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/9/2007 5:51:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MarkMinette

I'm a member of 3 professional trade-related sites (all regarding my career, but cannot divulge this info). Although these people are very "trade smart", and offer invaluable information, their literary skills, to say the least, "suck". I've been on collarme for only a couple weeks, but I've noticed that most are very articulate. Coincidence? I really doubt it. Does an open mind coincide with brains? What do you think?




I disagree. There is a reason that some people are drawn to message boards: communication, writing, and discussion. It isn't a particular trait of the lifestyle any more than there is a particular trait to the vanilla lifestyle. Just as it is with ~anything~ else, there is a little bit of everything here.

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RE: Is There Really a Connection? - 6/9/2007 5:55:32 AM   
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