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Fictional Literature - 5/30/2007 8:34:30 PM   
MasterManyfaces


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Status: offline 		Hello everyone. As a bibliophile, I have an active interest in books which people find sparks that special part of their brain. So I am looking for suggestions, reviews and even rejections.
As for myself, I will kick this off with the following.
#1 (as far as I'm concerned for all time) is the Kushiel's Legacy series (first book is "Kushiel's Dart") by Jacqueline Carey. Beautifully written political thrillers with a fantastic S&M sub plot. I highly recommend it to anyone who actually enjoys plot with their smut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushiel%27s_Legacy
Secondly, I have also been enjoying the marketplace series by Laura Antoniou.  It is very good at combining reality and fantasy, and much of the fantasy is therefore much more accessible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marketplace_series
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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/30/2007 8:47:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've always been pretty partial to Venus in Furs myself, but that's probably just because it was the first S&M book I ever read.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/30/2007 9:21:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Every explicitly BDSM text I have ever read pretty much sucked balls from a critical perspective.  Limited in language and imagery, lacking in poetic language, and most damning to me in an artistic sense, lacking in truth.  Not capital "T" Truth, which I am not so sure of my ability to spot, but truth, resonance on a personal level.

I have found instead that many great works of art have powerful D/s themes that give them special resonance for me as a D/s oriented man.  A perfect example would be Jack London's Call of the Wild, a book about Master/slave relationships, and what makes for a healthy Master/slave relationship.  The text examines three models for slavery--the first two are one, a transactional, mechanical and unemotional Master/slave modality, and second an M/s model that emphasises naked power and the ability to compel obedience from brutal training.  The last model is a love based slavery, where a slave is able to surrender not in a transactional sense, nor by being beaten into submission, but rather by being folded into a loving embrace in which the slave is able to surrender in full dignity and safety, their slavery accepted as precious and joyful.

That last model for slavery is very resonant with me, speaks to me in the deepest sense, and so Call of the Wild for me is both a paradigm for M/s, and a paradigm example of an artistic work that is truthful, contains poetic langauge (my rubric for worthwhile literature) and speaks directly to our BDSM concerns.

I don't get much out of the explicit BDSM texts out there, but even if you do, those are the lay-ups.  They are easy to spot.  What may take more work, but be worth the effort, is a thoughtful reading of canon work that speaks to power and intimacy.  Read with an open eye.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/30/2007 9:32:42 PM   
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Every explicitly BDSM text I have ever read pretty much sucked balls from a critical perspective. 



Oh, come on, Faramir.  You have to admit that the Man & the Maid series rises above most tomes of its kind.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/30/2007 9:35:11 PM   
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#1 (as far as I'm concerned for all time) is the Kushiel's Legacy series (first book is "Kushiel's Dart") by Jacqueline Carey. Beautifully written political thrillers with a fantastic S&M sub plot. I highly recommend it to anyone who actually enjoys plot with their smut.


I am about halfway through Banewreaker Volume One of The Sundering by Jaqueline Carey....i have NOT, though, encountered any smut in my reading.  Maybe i picked up the wrong book!  Quite erotic in it's own way though....i'm enjoying it.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/30/2007 9:47:37 PM   
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Oh, come on, Faramir.  You have to admit that the Man & the Maid series rises above most tomes of its kind.

Jeff


While I likey masturbated 1000+ times to A Man With a Maid in my teens, I still knew it was dreck.  Now it is repugnant dreck, as it is non-consensual. 

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 6:37:01 AM   
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That should provide you with a ton of Bibliophile wanking material, LOL

It's a catalog of the books in Viola Jophnson's personal collection.
And that's just the books, if you explore the site further you'll find a cataloging of her collection of magazines, novellas, and all sorts of other printed materials.

Edited to fix a typo

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 7:09:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		just a few words to say thanks! I'm always seeking new books of quality about bdsm, i'm very glad this thread exists at all.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 9:25:35 AM   
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..there's always the Anne Rice 'Beauty' trilogy.........

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 9:30:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am currently reading "The Ethical Slut". So far, so good

Ofcourse i realise it is nonfiction for most of us - but i am sure there is a segment of the population that would think it fictional ! LOL!
 
The beauty series was good to me as well as the books i am pre-editing for Loki...they are pretty hot!

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 10:06:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		My favorite is _The Leather Daddy and the Femme_, Carol Queen.  Lots of clever sex and gender politics as well as hot scenes and some humor.  Was published serially first, then in a book, then went oop, now it is back. 

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 10:29:46 AM   
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..there's always the Anne Rice 'Beauty' trilogy.........


Ugh.  Call me literature snob, but the "Beauty" series stank to high heaven.  No wonder Anne Rice didn't want to put her name on it.


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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 11:59:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		i own the entire kushiel' legacy and loved it

But for something subtle, try the Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop. The men ooze sexuality and menace, and with one known as the sadist, its definately worth a read

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 12:06:49 PM   
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Ugh.  Call me literature snob, but the "Beauty" series stank to high heaven.  No wonder Anne Rice didn't want to put her name on it.



...ok, you're a literature snob

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 12:39:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		While not written with the most amazing literary mind, I find the characters interesting...and very believable...in Laurell K. Hamilton's stuff.  I just like Anita Blake because she's such a dynamic character.  The action scenes are very well written, as well.  Unfortunately (in my opinion), I just finished what I think is the tenth book in the series, and as the series has progressed, there has been noticeably less action, and alot more metaphysical stuff (for lack of a better term).  I read the first three books in five days, though...that says something, as I usually didn't have that much time to read during the day when I was a mechanic.  Although the entire series is written from a straight vanilla woman's (Anita's) point of view, and most of the focus is on the men in her life, there are several female characters in there that are described in such vivid detail that I can't help but sort of daydream a little.  Who, me?  Have a soft spot for imaginary creatures such as female vampires or shapeshifters?  No, never. *smiles*

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 12:49:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I vote for Anne Bishop's Black Jewels Trilogy.  Nearly every relationship in there is m/s to some degree, the global conflicts being between the 'good' mistresses and the 'bad' ones.  Plus the characters kick ass.  Just a note, though:  in the first book, Daughter of the Blood, no one has a good day.  I mean it, life pretty much sucks for everyone.  But the second and third make up for it

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 1:22:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was a fan of the "Ender's Game" series by Oran Scott Card in my youth.  The read might be below an adult, though many seem to have enjoyed it.  Sci-Fi 'n such.

Beyond that, I'd recommend just picking up an anthology, probably one designed for a high-level college English class.  They tend to have a large collection of thought-provoking short stories and novelettes by design.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 1:44:34 PM   
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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 1:55:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've read all of Laurell Hamilton's books and I agree they are great. I love the Anita Blake character she's so damn fiesty and sexy I just want to tie her up and spank her

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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 2:29:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lashra

I've read all of Laurell Hamilton's books and I agree they are great. I love the Anita Blake character she's so damn fiesty and sexy I just want to tie her up and spank her

~Lashra



*laughs* I like her no-BS attitude; it's just so refreshing.  I also like her little mental notes about other people, like Well, he's not as dumb as I thought; five brownie points for Tom.  I always wondered if anyone else did that. *grins* 

And personally, I thought a certain couple female shapeshifters would make wonderful dommes...just my opinion, of course...*smiles*

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