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RE: Fictional Literature - 5/31/2007 2:41:20 PM   
hereyesruponyou


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Add another vote for Laurell K Hamilton. Certainly not bdsm per se, but the dynamics sure are there naturally, which almost makes her books more fun for me. I loved Anita through Narcisist in Chains, then she got a little off track i think.  I am a fan of her Fairie series. Unfortunately she has become bored with it while halfway through the logical progression of the stories and practically abandoned it (according to her blog). Sigh..... 

btw - i enjoyed the first book in the Beauty series, but felt that in the others she didn't flesh out each senario as well as i thought she could have.

~ admitted supernatural romance junkie....but i think it's because there is almost always an aspect of power exchange and physicality

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/1/2007 8:00:34 AM   
Faramir


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Crap, crap, crap.  Just crap.

Read Whitefang.  I wrote this a long time ago, and it is still true:
The thrust of Whitefang is his  enslavement to and life with men. His first god is Gray Beaver, dour, stoic, unemotional Gray Beaver, who beats and breaks White Fang as a puppy, enslaving him into service that is neither cruel nor loving. It is merely service, just and fair in a harsh sense, but without any emotional exchange beyond fealty for power.

White Fang is sold eventually to Beauty Smith, the hate god, who does add emotional content to White Fang’s slavery. White Fang’s servitude becomes one of torment, as he is tortured until he becomes a fiend, nothing good left in him, only savagery and the reality of his god, a god of evil, “the hate-god.”

Eventually White Fang is rescued by the love god, Weedon Scott (son of Judge Scott in TCotW). A new god replaces the old, and White Fang’s slavery is completely reshaped, given new meaning and dimension. Before his slavery was one-dimensional – the emotional content was a point: hatred. The love god adds a second point to that equation, and thus a second dimension – White Fang now knows love in counter-point to hate. A capacity undreamt of emerges. There is wonderful description of this love in physical action:



Having learned to snuggle, White Fang was guilt of it often. It was the final word. He could not go beyond it. The one thing of which he had always been particularly jealous, was his head. He had always disliked to have it touched. It was the Wild in him, the fear of hurt and of the trap, that had given rise to the panicky impulse to avoid contacts. It was the mandate of his instinct that the head must be free. And now, with the love-master, his snuggling was the deliberate act of putting himself into a position of hopeless helplessness. It was an expression of the perfect confidence, of absolute self-surrender, as though he said: “I will put myself into thy hands. Work thou thy will with me.”



I love that, “It was the final word.”

Later he says:



White Fang allowed all the members of the family to pet him and make much of him; but he never gave to them what he gave to the master. No caress of theirs could put the love-croon into his throat, and, try as they would, they could never persuade him into snuggling against them. This expression of abandon and surrender, of absolute trust, he reserved for the master alone.




I would imagine there are some here who would find those words, “It was an expression of the perfect confidence, of absolute self-surrender…” resonant. How many people here know well “the fear of hurt and of the trap, that had given rise to the panicky impulse to avoid contacts,” only to have a love-master entice them into putting down their head in trust?

There are many ways to skin the D/s cat, and this won’t make sense to everyone here.
Still though, hell of thing to have a relationship where one could say “I will put myself into thy hands. Work thou thy will with me.”

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 6:57:31 AM   
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I am surprised nobody had mentioned Pat Califia. "Macho Sluts" is my favorite, though "Doc & Fluff" is also very good. He also wrote "The Lesbian S&M Safety Manuel," and other books.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 7:17:31 AM   
Elorin


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I found John Norman's Imaginative Sex to be quite amusing, though I haven't finished it yet. Dreaming in Color, the special edition anthology put out by Greenery Press has some lovely stories in it.

I definitely vote for Laura Antoniou's Market place and the Kushiel's Legacy series, I enjoyed them both thoroughly.

Out of curiosity I read Topping From Below, which was interesting if not one of my favorite books.

If you like sci-fi fantasy the Lady Callahan books by Spider Robinson have references to S&M in them, and some of the other Callahan books have poly and transgender references as well (in passing, not a major them or sub-plot in the books).

Anne Rice's Beauty trilogy is an interesting fantasy series to enjoy, but I really liked Exit to Eden, personally, with it's exploration of "what do you do when you fall in love and don't want D/s anymore?"

And you can't forget the Gor books, which I guiltily admit I enjoy and love despite there not being a place for me in the Gorean world.

Most of my books are non-fiction, not fiction.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 7:19:59 AM   
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Hello Elorin,

Odd that you mention that, I was talking to someone this morning, and there isn't a place for me in BDSM, though I have many BDSM'ers I consider good dear friends.

I wish you well, and I do understand what you mean,

Liz

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 7:46:08 AM   
petdave


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quote:

ORIGINAL: caramelcutie

quote:

#1 (as far as I'm concerned for all time) is the Kushiel's Legacy series (first book is "Kushiel's Dart") by Jacqueline Carey. Beautifully written political thrillers with a fantastic S&M sub plot. I highly recommend it to anyone who actually enjoys plot with their smut.


I am about halfway through Banewreaker Volume One of The Sundering by Jaqueline Carey....i have NOT, though, encountered any smut in my reading.  Maybe i picked up the wrong book!  Quite erotic in it's own way though....i'm enjoying it.


The Sundering, while not a bad story (was intended to be one novel, and should have been... stupid publisher), is not overtly D/s... i would definitely recommend reading the Kushiel novels as well.  i think i mention it in every book thread, but i can't recommend them highly enough to anyone interested in BDSM who enjoys reading fantasy fiction.

i ordered Anne Bishop's Black Jewels trilogy yesterday along with my pre-order of Kushiel's Justice... so if i go off-line for a while some time in the next couple of weeks, that will be why

i thought the Beauty trilogy had some hot scenes in it, but in terms of a story... eh. i was also a bit troubled by the way they break a lot of the "rules" of D/s (consent, children, animals)

The Anita Blake novels are good popcorn reading (as a sub, i think Nathaniel is a great character, and i like the fact that pretty much every older vampire chickie is a twisted sadist with supernatural powers), but somewhere along the line they crossed from fantasy fiction with erotic themes to so-so porn with a half-hearted attempt at plot.

i'm a cheap S.O.B., and for some reason our local library doesn't have any of Pat Califia's books... i still need to pick them up some day.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 8:27:53 AM   
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If one does not promote oneself, who will?

My last book ("Servants of Destiny") is a fantasy novel that pulls no punches on the Ds some SM and outright non-consensual stuff.

I'll even be one of the featured authors at the Indy science fiction/fantasy convention in July and I'm so excited about that. http://www.inconjunction.org/




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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 10:28:57 AM   
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The Banewreaker series is excellent, but lacks any explicit smut. The Kushiel series on the other hand has a culture wherein all acts of consensual pleasure, including BDSM, are sacrosanct. I suggest you try that next.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 10:30:42 AM   
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My pleasure, I hope it yields some positive reads for you.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 10:35:50 AM   
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I'm not judging anyone who liked it, but I personally, HATE that series. I'm sorry, as I said, personal opinion, some people could hate things I like as well. But I find the writing poor, the scenes uncreative, and on the whole the books are boring. My sub and I tried reading them together at one point to understand the hub bub. She couldn't finish reading beyond the second chapter, I got through them, barely, and purely for understandings sake.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 10:40:13 AM   
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I got into that series because a fantastic sadist Domme I know recommended it. I have read the entire series, and while I agree, I find something else more annoying. I actually enjoy context and plot. While the first several books were excellent, I honestly cannot remember the main character EVER going to work or doing much more than sexual politics in the last couple. I hope Laurell recovers from this.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 10:51:12 AM   
Elorin


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Liz
I'm not sure if you have issue with me or what, as the only other interaction I've seen from you was deleted by you before I could read it.

I have read the Gor novels, all but two of them I believe, and dominant women do not have a place in that world unless they accept that ultimately males are the authority. I do not do so. I do not accept male authority based on gender, and that is the "world" of Gor. If you practice something that uses many Gorean concepts but allows for women to be dominant of other women and men without having to accept the authority of men, I don't consider you to be practicing Gor.

This is my opinion based on what I read in the Gor novels and how I feel about the world the novels describe.

If you feel there is no place for you in BDSM, that is your choice, your belief, based on your opinions and experiences.

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RE: Fictional Literature - 6/2/2007 11:11:55 AM   
Adelphus


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*inches in*
Um, I'm writing a novel called 'Queensbride', it's about 219 pages so far, I gots a little piece of it up if anyone's interested in taking a gander. Here's a link;

http://www.theseventhstarprojects.com/queensbride1.htm

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