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For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 1:32:34 PM   
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This man is a very good public speaker.

Press Conference by the President
Rose Garden
11:01 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Please be seated. Thank you, all. Good morning.

Today, Congress will vote on legislation that provides our troops with the funds they need. It makes clear that our Iraqi partners must demonstrate progress on security and reconciliation. My administration and members of Congress from both parties have had many meetings to work out our differences on this legislation. As a result, we removed the arbitrary timetables for withdrawal and the restrictions on our military commanders that some in Congress have supported.

We were also successful in removing billions in unrelated domestic spending that many of the Democrats were insisting on. I wanted to remove even more; but, still, by voting for this bill members of both parties can show our troops and the Iraqis and the enemy that our country will support our servicemen and women in harm's way.

As it provides vital funds for our troops, this bill also reflects a consensus that the Iraqi government needs to show real progress in return for America's continued support and sacrifice. The Iraqi Study Group -- the Iraq Study Group recommended that we hold the Iraqi government to the series of benchmarks for improved security, political reconciliation and governance that the Iraqis have set for themselves. I agree, so does the Congress, and the bill reflects that recommendation.

These benchmarks provide both the Iraqi government and the American people with a clear road map on the way forward. Meeting these benchmarks will be difficult; it's going to be hard work for this young government. After all, the Iraqis are recovering from decades of brutal dictatorship. Their democratic government is just over a year old. And as they're making tough decisions about their future, they're under relentless attack from extremists and radicals who are trying to bring down the young democracy.

Our new strategy is designed to help Iraq's leaders provide security for their people and get control of their capital, so they can move forward with reconciliation and reconstruction. Our new strategy is designed to take advantage of new opportunities to partner with local tribes, to go after al Qaeda in places like Anbar, which has been the home base of al Qaeda in Iraq.
This summer is going to be a critical time for the new strategy. The last of five reinforcement brigades we are sending to Iraq is scheduled to arrive in Baghdad by mid-June. As these reinforcements carry out their missions the enemies of a free Iraq, including al Qaeda and illegal militias, will continue to bomb and murder in an attempt to stop us. We're going to expect heavy fighting in the weeks and months. We can expect more American and Iraqi casualties. We must provide our troops with the funds and resources they need to prevail.
Another important issue before Congress is immigration reform. I want to thank the bipartisan group of senators who produced a bill that will help us secure our borders and reform our immigration system. For decades, the government failed to stop illegal immigration. My administration has stepped up efforts to improve border security, doubling the number of Border Patrol agents. We've effectively ended the policy of catch and release, which allowed some illegal immigrants to be released back into society after they were captured.

Last year alone, we apprehended more than a million people trying to enter this country illegally. This is progress, but it's not enough. Many Americans are rightly skeptical about immigration reform. I strongly believe the bipartisan Senate bill addresses the reasons for past failures, while recognizing the legitimate needs of our economy, and upholding the ideals of our immigrant tradition.

This bill does not grant amnesty. Amnesty is forgiveness without a penalty. Instead, this bill requires workers here illegally to acknowledge that they broke the law, pay a fine, pass background checks, remain employed, and maintain a clean record. This bill provides the best chance to reform our immigration system and help us make certain we know who's in our country and where they are. Our immigration problems cannot be solved piecemeal. They must be all addressed together, and they must be addressed in logical order.
So this legislation requires that border security and worker verification targets are met before other provisions of the bill are triggered. For example, the temporary worker program can begin only after these security measures are fully implemented. Immigration reform is a complex issue; it's a difficult piece of legislation. And those who are looking to find fault with this bill will always be able to find something. If you're serious about securing our borders and bringing millions of illegal immigrants in our country out of the shadows, this bipartisan bill is the best opportunity to move forward. I'm confident with hard work and goodwill, Congress can pass and I can sign a bill that fixes an immigration system we all agree is broken.

The issues of war and immigration are difficult, but that's no excuse in avoiding our responsibility to act. The American people sent us to Washington to take on tough problems, and they expect us to deliver results.

And now I'll be glad to answer some of your questions. Hunt.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. The IAEA says that Iran has significantly accelerated its uranium enrichment program. And today President Ahmadinejad said that he would go ahead, he vowed to go ahead. There also is the detention of three Iranian Americans. Where is this all headed? And do you think it's time for tough U.N. sanctions with real teeth, and are you confident that Russia and China would go ahead?

THE PRESIDENT: As you know, we have been discussing this issue a lot at these press avails. Iran is constantly on the agenda at a press avail like this -- or a press conference like this, and the reason why is because they continue to be defiant as to the demands of the free world. The world has spoken, and said no nuclear weapons programs. And yet they're constantly ignoring the demands.
My view is that we need to strengthen our sanction regime. I just spoke to Condoleezza Rice, and we will work with our European partners to develop further sanctions. And, of course, I will discuss this issue with Vladimir Putin, as well as President Hu Jintao.

The first thing that these leaders have got to understand is that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would be incredibly destabilizing for the world. It's in their interests that we work collaboratively to continue to isolate that regime.
I'm sympathetic for the people of Iran. I'm sorry they live under a government that continues to insist upon a program that the world has condemned, because it is denying the good people of Iran economic opportunities that they would have. This is a country with a great tradition and a great history. There are hard-working people in that country that want to benefit from a society that is more open, and yet the government insists upon measures that will lead to further isolation. And, therefore, to answer one part of your question, we will work with our partners to continue the pressure.

Secondly, obviously, to the extent that these people are picking up innocent Americans is unacceptable. And we've made it very clear to the Iranian government that the detention of good, decent American souls who are there to be beneficial citizens is not acceptable behavior.

(more)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/print/20070524.html

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 1:59:54 PM   
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For someone who can't put two words together............that's a lot of ghost written words. Wouldn't a hyperlink been just as useful? Either that or some commentary.......

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 3:30:51 PM   
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I guess you missed the last third of that, where he was speaking off the cuff (and doing very well at it, too). How much commentary do you need... wasn't the way I titled the post enough for you? And if you really need one, there's a hyperlink in there for you, at the end.

Are you always this picky?

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 3:41:42 PM   
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Are you always this picky?


.....oh, i'm famous for it. Just figured you'd have made your point more succinctly (and without the irony) with a little judicious editing.

Thing is, that sort of Q'n'A is always heftily controlled. How does George Bush do when buttonholed by irate mmbers of the public? Is he as convincing as you appear to believe?

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 3:44:45 PM   
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This man is a very good public speaker.



No, he is simply effective at mouthing meaningless phrases strung together in order to convince the ignorant that he is an effective public speaker.

Present company excluded, of course.

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THE PRESIDENT: As you know, we have been discussing this issue a lot at these press avails. Iran is constantly on the agenda at a press avail like this -- or a press conference like this, and the reason why is because they continue to be defiant as to the demands of the free world. The world has spoken, and said no nuclear weapons programs. And yet they're constantly ignoring the demands.
My view is that we need to strengthen our sanction regime. I just spoke to Condoleezza Rice, and we will work with our European partners to develop further sanctions. And, of course, I will discuss this issue with Vladimir Putin, as well as President Hu Jintao.



What exactly does any of this actually mean?  It is the same mindless drivel he got off the Renton Mission Statement Generator 6 years ago.

It is vague, unclear, indefinite, and meaningless.

Thank you for posting such scintillating wisdom.

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The first thing that these leaders have got to understand is that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would be incredibly destabilizing for the world. It's in their interests that we work collaboratively to continue to isolate that regime.
I'm sympathetic for the people of Iran. I'm sorry they live under a government that continues to insist upon a program that the world has condemned, because it is denying the good people of Iran economic opportunities that they would have. This is a country with a great tradition and a great history. There are hard-working people in that country that want to benefit from a society that is more open, and yet the government insists upon measures that will lead to further isolation. And, therefore, to answer one part of your question, we will work with our partners to continue the pressure.



First off, the Middle East was already horribly destabilized by Bush invading.  He complains that Iran might cause instability?

As far as what he is saying, it is all gibberish. 

What EXACTLY is he going to do?

What are the milestones.?

What are the goals?

How can we gauge whether we are making positive or negative progress?

He never answers any specific questions when he speaks.

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Secondly, obviously, to the extent that these people are picking up innocent Americans is unacceptable. And we've made it very clear to the Iranian government that the detention of good, decent American souls who are there to be beneficial citizens is not acceptable behavior.



[sarcasm]

Whereas the United States killing thousands upon thousands of Iraqis is acceptable behavior.

[/sarcasm]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:07:28 PM   
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.....oh, i'm famous for it. Just figured you'd have made your point more succinctly (and without the irony) with a little judicious editing.


Tell you what. When you make a post, I'll let you edit it any way you want to.
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Thing is, that sort of Q'n'A is always heftily controlled.


You must not ever watch any of these, because if you did you'd know that White House reporters aren't the Presidents' friends.
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How does George Bush do when buttonholed by irate mmbers of the public? Is he as convincing as you appear to believe?


I've heard that he's personally likable, the kind of a guy you might want to have a beer with (unlike John Kerry or Al Gore), and I just proved that he's a good public speaker, but I've never met him or tried to buttonhole him. Have you? If so, start a thread about it, as it's a whole new subject. And just think - you could have all the control over the editing that initial post that you obviously think that you have got to have.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:08:16 PM   
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You realize, of course, that this is not a verbatim transcript?  I watched him give his prepared remarks and the Q+A that followed, and this has been edited.  That's to be expected--you always clean things up before you turn it into a written document.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:14:57 PM   
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You bet it is edited and scripted and prepared and packaged by his
whole team of media advisors.  They also choose which reporters are
allowed to be present in the White House Press Room and choose
who gets to ask the questions.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:18:14 PM   
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What exactly does any of this actually mean? 


Go ask someone to explain it to you.
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First off, the Middle East was already horribly destabilized by Bush invading. 

And before that it was Disnyland?

quote:


He complains that Iran might cause instability?


The United Nations even agrees with him. Who is on your side, besides Syria?
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As far as what he is saying, it is all gibberish. 

What EXACTLY is he going to do?

What are the milestones.?

What are the goals?

How can we gauge whether we are making positive or negative progress?

He never answers any specific questions when he speaks.



You need to keep up with current events if you want to know all those things. He can't have his speeches written with your own personal education in mind!
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(President Bush): "Secondly, obviously, to the extent that these people are picking up innocent Americans is unacceptable. And we've made it very clear to the Iranian government that the detention of good, decent American souls who are there to be beneficial citizens is not acceptable behavior."

quote:



[sarcasm]

Whereas the United States killing thousands upon thousands of Iraqis is acceptable behavior.

[/sarcasm]


Suicide bombers are killing Iraqis. American soldiers are trying to stop the suicide bombers.

Whose side are you on?



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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:19:25 PM   
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The questioning was actually pretty harsh--a reporter from MSNBC basically said "Mr President, Republicans and Democrats don't think you're credible on Iraq any more.  Why should anyone believe you?"

Of course, Bush's answer was absolutely ridiculous--"Believe me because I'm the boss."

Now, what I do think is a shame is that this kind of stuff won't make it to the evening news.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:21:58 PM   
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You realize, of course, that this is not a verbatim transcript?  I watched him give his prepared remarks and the Q+A that followed, and this has been edited.  That's to be expected--you always clean things up before you turn it into a written document.

Feel free to get the CNN version and compare the two. Post any significant differences (with verifiable links) if you think that'll get your groove thang hummin' my friend

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:26:28 PM   
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Of course, Bush's answer was absolutely ridiculous--"Believe me because I'm the boss."

Now, what I do think is a shame is that this kind of stuff won't make it to the evening news.


DARN shame... and how weird that you're the only one who dreamed that. Er, I mean, "SAW" that. LOL

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:32:02 PM   
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Cnn said that Bush and some of the Senators think that his amnesty bill to be "a flawed bill is better than no bil."
Man, they're getting desperate now!
When asked about a "flawed bill" Lou Dobb's responded,
Flawed bill 3%
No Bill 97%
You know, The American People are talking and there's some people in Washington STILL not LISTENING!
Sen Bunning of Kentucky said 100 calls to his offices were "for" the bill to 2,000 "against" the bill.
I don't understand why some people in our government are fighting The People on this.
They're there to do what we tell them to do.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:40:06 PM   
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You need to keep up with current events if you want to know all those things. He can't have his speeches written with your own personal education in mind!



Well, I have managed people in the past, Sanity, and if somebody I was expecting to actually accomplish something who could not answer questions about reality with anything but inane twaddle would not be put in charge of anything. 

I am glad you believe him. (again)

What worries me is that you probably believed him every time he blathered this nonsense for the past 6 years.

Regarding your comment about the UN, I seem to recall they also agreed that Bush invading would destabilize the region.  You might want to use a bit more insight and reason when you pick your proof of concept.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:50:17 PM   
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I'm with you on this Bill, popeye. But riddle me this - which political party is more likely to be tougher on illegal immigration? And face facts, a third party is just a bad dream that'll end up as a nightmare because wheichever way that third party leans it will split the votes from whichever major party is nearest it - and then the opposite of whatever you were trying to vote for will come into power as a result.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:56:36 PM   
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What worries me is that you probably believed him every time he blathered this nonsense for the past 6 years.


You're out of touch with reality regarding that toothless attack on me, Sinergy, because what the President spoke about today are new issues, some of which he hasn't discussed before now. With that I'll say good-day to you, because you're just not making any sense at all.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:57:31 PM   
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I'm with you on this Bill, popeye. But riddle me this - which political party is more likely to be tougher on illegal immigration? And face facts, a third party is just a bad dream that'll end up as a nightmare because wheichever way that third party leans it will split the votes from whichever major party is nearest it - and then the opposite of whatever you were trying to vote for will come into power as a result.


I dont know about that.  I have been voting "None of the above" for 14 years now.

Opposite of whatever I am trying to vote for is the parade of idiots that keep getting elected.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 4:59:07 PM   
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There's your Emperor, in all his stammering glory.  The ums, the ahs, the you knows, and the stammers have all been edited out.

You might think this too picky, but remember: your OP was based on the idea that the transcript showed what a brilliant public speaker Bush is.  Watch the video, and you'll see how utterly wrong you are.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 5:01:45 PM   
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What worries me is that you probably believed him every time he blathered this nonsense for the past 6 years.


You're out of touch with reality regarding that toothless attack on me, Sinergy, because what the President spoke about today are new issues, some of which he hasn't discussed before now. With that I'll say good-day to you, because you're just not making any sense at all.


Yeah, it must be tough when you use the UN as an example and have your ass handed back to you because it trashes your position.

Good day to you as well.

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RE: For Someone Who Can't Put two Words Together - 5/24/2007 5:11:34 PM   
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Egads people, take a pill....so Bush can speak in public....no shit he's a politician. Bush's speechs are written for him by anonymous staffers...no shit, he's a politician. Bush's Q&A session questions are vetted in advance, no shit...he's a politician.
I am constantly astounded by american politics...everything is so black & white...you either love or hate the president....what ever happened to just disliking the guy less than the alternatives?

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