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Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 12:52:46 PM   
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How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico
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Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing's close connections to the president shielded him - and the Border Patrol - from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.

One of Swing's first decisive acts was to transfer certain entrenched immigration officials out of the border area to other regions of the country where their political connections with people such as Senator Johnson would have no effect.

Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.

By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.

By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 2:19:22 PM   
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But Jack, that was in the days when our govt actually did it's job in the law enforcement area.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 2:36:05 PM   
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was the "w' word a slur back then????

charity begins at home.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 2:50:36 PM   
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Popeye you are correct, back then America was America, and even though  LBJ,  the vile, would become President in 10 years,  there was still a sense of  strenght emanating from Washington and especially the White House. The America of the 1950s was a better place than is the America of the 21st century but who knows  maybe we are seeing the people begin to awaken from their slumber.

When we don't have Presidents like IKE we end up with this stuff happening, and I am telling you that this is not some rare, freak occurence, this goes on every day in America somewhere a little girl is being abducted and raped. I saw one account on AMW with  John Walsh a little 11 year old European-American girl was abducted off her bike and taken across the street from her home in BROAD DAYLIGHT to a rooming house for illegal day laborers like this  POS CASTILLO, and repeatedly raped until she escaped the attacker who then escaped.

Ted Kennedy and the other scum never mention the reality of this invasion and how the children are paying for it.


Suspect admits he abducted, assaulted girl, 7
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A 27-year-old man admitted today in court he abducted and assaulted a 7-year-old neighbor at a Southside apartment complex. The victim underwent surgery after the attack and remained in Riley Hospital for Children this morning, Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Sgt. Matthew Mount said.

Castillo admitted his guilt, despite the court commissioner's routine entry of a not guilty plea on Castillo's behalf during his initial hearing this morning in Marion Superior Court.

"I agree with what I did, and I know what I did," Jonathan Castillo said through a Spanish translator after Commissioner Steven Rubick read the five charges against him. "I was drunk, and I can't just fix things just because I'm drunk."
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Prosecutors asked Rubick for Castillo's $100,000 bond to be increased to $250,000, citing the risk to the community and a flight risk because Castillo is an undocumented immigrant. Castillo had told Rubick he is a dual citizen of Mexico and Honduras and works as a day laborer.

The Star does not generally identify the victims of sexual assault.


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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 3:19:54 PM   
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Yes, "wetback" was a slur then and remains a slur today.
The term in Spanish is "los mojados".
 
The second-generation Chicano gangs and the first-generation
Mexican gangs sometimes cooperate together and sometimes kill
each other.


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was the "w' word a slur back then????

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 3:23:10 PM   
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This again?  Some things keep getting recycled to some degree.  But I guess education is a good thing.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 3:34:16 PM   
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General reply to the topic at hand -
 
Folks, one of the main problems with the U.S. immigration policy with Mexico is that the rules have changed depending on surpluses or shortages of labor.
 
See the article quoted below in Wikipedia for an overview.  There is also an entire series of articles on the U.S. Immigration Debate, see the box on the right side of the screen when you click on the link.


" History"
 
" The Bracero Program was originally a binational temporary contract labor program initiated, in August 1942, by an exchange of diplomatic notes between the United States and Mexico after a series of negotiations. Bracero is Spanish for "Highly Skilled Laborer". The program was designed initially to bring a few hundred experienced Mexican agricultural laborers to harvest sugar beets in the Stockton, California area but soon spread to cover most of the United States to provide much needed farm workers to agriculture labor market. As an important corollary, the railroad bracero program was independently negotiated to supply U.S. railroads initially with unskilled workers for track maintenance but eventually to cover other unskilled and skilled labor. By 1945, the quota for the agricultural program was more than 50,000 braceros to be employed in U.S. agriculture at any one time, and for the railroad program 75,000.

The railroad program ended promptly with the conclusion of World War II, in 1945, but the agricultural program under various forms survived until 1964, when the two governments ended it as a response to harsh criticisms and reports of human rights abuses. The program made a large contribution to U.S. agriculture, leading to the advent of mechanized farming. However the program, for the most part from a humanitarian standpoint, was deemed a complete and utter failure.[citation needed]

The workers who participated in the Bracero Program have generated significant local and international struggles challenging the US government and Mexican government to identify and return deductions taken from their pay, from 1942 to 1948, for savings accounts which they were legally guaranteed to receive upon their return to Mexico at the conclusion of their contracts. Many, if not most, never received their savings. However, lawsuits presented in federal courts in California, in the late 1990s and early 2000s, highlighted the substandard conditions and documented the ultimate destiny of the savings accounts deductions, but the suit was thrown out because the Mexican banks in question never operated in the United States. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_Program

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 3:58:09 PM   
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"Operation: Wetback"

hehehe..makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 4:01:22 PM   
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"Operation: Wetback"

hehehe..makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.

(tickles Rumtiger in the armpits and ribs with a feather duster)



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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 5:27:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jack45

Popeye you are correct, back then America was America, and even though  LBJ,  the vile, would become President in 10 years,  there was still a sense of  strenght emanating from Washington and especially the White House. The America of the 1950s was a better place than is the America of the 21st century
Perhaps you might delineate just how?

but who knows  maybe we are seeing the people begin to awaken from their slumber.

When we don't have Presidents like IKE we end up with this stuff happening,
Wasn't it Ike who took us to Viet Nam? and subsequently 60,000 body bags?


and I am telling you that this is not some rare, freak occurrence, this goes on every day in America somewhere a little girl is being abducted and raped.
Is your implication that everyday little girls are being abducted and raped by illegal aliens or that little girls are being abducted and raped by criminals?

I saw one account on AMW with  John Walsh a little 11 year old European-American girl was abducted
Why is it that you mention that she was European-American?  Is it somehow different if a non European-American child were kidnapped and raped?


off her bike and taken across the street from her home in BROAD DAYLIGHT to a rooming house for illegal day laborers like this  POS CASTILLO, and repeatedly raped until she escaped the attacker who then escaped.
I did not know that there were special rooming houses for illegal aliens...if so I should think it would make the job of the INS much easier.
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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 5:39:11 PM   
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Whenever I see topics like this, I'm reminded of the song, "Frijolero" by Molotov...

Don't call me gringo, you fuckin beaner
stay on your side of that goddamn river
don't call me, gringo you beaner.
No me digas beaner, Mr. Puñetero
Te sacaré un susto por racista y culero.
No me llames frijolero, Pinche gringo puñetero.


I think Mexico has a wonderful immigration policy. I went there, and it was full of Mexicans, none of which were illegal. Being that Mexico has lots of experience dealing with Mexicans, maybe the US should do what Mexico does to Gringos...?


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Wasn't it Ike who took us to Viet Nam? and subsequently 60,000 body bags?

That would be Kennedy...

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 5:47:22 PM   
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Wasn't it Ike who took us to Viet Nam? and subsequently 60,000 body bags?

That would be Kennedy...


Tuomas:
Hands Tuomas a prybar...after you get your foot out of your mouth you might want to consult a history book.
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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 5:52:56 PM   
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This again?  Some things keep getting recycled to some degree. 


Maybe we can find a way to combine it with other recurring topics. Maybe: Why are illegal immigrants all so fat?

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 6:02:56 PM   
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Wasn't it Ike who took us to Viet Nam? and subsequently 60,000 body bags?

That would be Kennedy...


Tuomas:
Hands Tuomas a prybar...after you get your foot out of your mouth you might want to consult a history book.
thompson

I don't care enough. But wiki has some interesting points:

"U.S. military advisers first became involved in Vietnam in 1950, assisting French colonial forces. In 1956, these advisers assumed full responsibility for training the Army of the Republic of Vietnam. President John F. Kennedy increased America's troop numbers from 500 to 16,000. Large numbers of combat troops were dispatched by President Lyndon Johnson beginning in 1965. Almost all U.S. military personnel departed after the Paris Peace Accords of 1973. The last American troops left the country on April 30, 1975.[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war

Wasn't Hary Truman the president in 1950? Eisenhower did have a US presence in Vietnam, but it was merely a continuation of Truman's policies to stop Soviet influence into the area. Truman sent over 300,000 small arms and one billion dollars in a effort to reestablish the French puppet government. Kennedy was the guy who actually put in what you migh call "troops". But, I suppose you wil find some academic argument to counter that... ooo! are you going to try and make an issue of me using wiki?


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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 6:12:49 PM   
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Prosecutors said Prieto, 25, had a blood-alcohol level of 0.19, more than twice the legal limit, when his pickup truck broadsided the Ceran family's car in Murray after midnight Dec. 24. After Ceran performed as Cratchit during a play at Hale Center Theatre,


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Man who killed three on Christmas Eve gets up to 10 years
By Stephen Hunt
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated:05/24/2007 12:00:23 PM MDT
Posted: 12:01 PM- The man accused of killing three members of a family in a Christmas Eve crash was sentenced Thursday to serve up to 10 years in prison.
    Carlos Rodolfo Prieto, 24, pleaded guilty to three counts of automobile homicide for the deaths of Cheryl Ceran, 47, and children Ian, 15, and Julianna, 7
    Gary Ceran, the woman's husband, and two other of the couple's children survived the crash, which occurred in the intersection of 700 West and 5400 South.
    The collision occurred about 2:30 a.m. on Dec. 24 as the Ceran family, who had just finished late-night Christmas shopping in Murray, were in their car traveling east. Prieto, who had been drinking, was driving north in a pickup and struck the car's passenger side.
    Prieto is in the United States illegally, according to federal immigration officials.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 7:17:52 PM   
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Yes Harry Truman was President in 1950, the year I was born.
We had advisors in Vietnam during most of the 1950's but it was JFK who first put combat troops there.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 7:39:02 PM   
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Wasn't it Ike who took us to Viet Nam? and subsequently 60,000 body bags?

That would be Kennedy...


Tuomas:
Hands Tuomas a prybar...after you get your foot out of your mouth you might want to consult a history book.
thompson

I don't care enough. But wiki has some interesting points:
If you do not care enough to educate yourself why post?

"U.S. military advisers first became involved in Vietnam in 1950, assisting French colonial forces.
If you had chosen to read the link you posted from Wiki you would know that this is inaccurate...what these advisers did was determine which supplies the French asked for would be forthcoming.
The French were at this time the ruling power in Viet Nam.
If you would have read the link you posted from Wiki you may have noticed that the French were in power till 1954 when they got their asses handed to them at Dien Bien phu. 
Once the French leave and the Geneva convention divides the country so as to separate the combatants Truman is out of office and Ike is in.  Ike is the president,according to the link you posted from Wiki, who sent the first us troops to Viet Nam


In 1956, these advisers assumed full responsibility for training the Army of the Republic of Vietnam. President John F. Kennedy increased America's troop numbers from 500 to 16,000. Large numbers of combat troops were dispatched by President Lyndon Johnson beginning in 1965. Almost all U.S. military personnel departed after the Paris Peace Accords of 1973. The last American troops left the country on April 30, 1975.[4]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war

Wasn't Hary Truman the president in 1950? Eisenhower did have a US presence in Vietnam, but it was merely a continuation of Truman's policies to stop Soviet influence into the area. Truman sent over 300,000 small arms and one billion dollars in a effort to reestablish the French puppet government
You seem to be switching subjects here.  Truman was supporting the French in their colonial pursuits not a French puppet government.  
 Eisenhower was the one who involved the U.S. in the war in Viet Nam



. Kennedy was the guy who actually put in what you migh call "troops".
Are you saying MACV Military Assistance Command Viet Nam is not military?

But, I suppose you wil find some academic argument to counter that... ooo! are you going to try and make an issue of me using wiki?
If you choose to use Wiki perhaps you might read what it says.



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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 8:09:07 PM   
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If you had chosen to read the link you posted from Wiki you would know that this is inaccurate...what these advisers did was determine which supplies the French asked for would be forthcoming.
The French were at this time the ruling power in Viet Nam.
If you would have read the link you posted from Wiki you may have noticed that the French were in power till 1954 when they got their asses handed to them at Dien Bien phu. 
Once the French leave and the Geneva convention divides the country so as to separate the combatants Truman is out of office and Ike is in.  Ike is the president,according to the link you posted from Wiki, who sent the first us troops to Viet Nam

And there's the academic technicality I was talking about....

Like I said, I don't care enough to poke around to find the small technical loophole in a clandestine political ploy, just to have a purely academic argument with you about who was the first solder to set foot on Vietnamese soil. Debate it with historians.

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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 9:11:00 PM   
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If you had chosen to read the link you posted from Wiki you would know that this is inaccurate...what these advisers did was determine which supplies the French asked for would be forthcoming.
The French were at this time the ruling power in Viet Nam.
If you would have read the link you posted from Wiki you may have noticed that the French were in power till 1954 when they got their asses handed to them at Dien Bien phu. 
Once the French leave and the Geneva convention divides the country so as to separate the combatants Truman is out of office and Ike is in.  Ike is the president,according to the link you posted from Wiki, who sent the first us troops to Viet Nam

And there's the academic technicality I was talking about....

Like I said, I don't care enough to poke around to find the small technical loophole in a clandestine political ploy, just to have a purely academic argument with you about who was the first solder to set foot on Vietnamese soil. Debate it with historians.


Tuomas:
If,as you claim, the truth is of no interest to you , why did you post in the first place?
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RE: Dwight Eisenhower's "Operation Wetback" - 5/24/2007 10:21:42 PM   
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Tuomas:
If,as you claim, the truth is of no interest to you , why did you post in the first place?
thompson

The truth interests me, not the technicality. I don't care enough about the subject to enter in a debate over insignificant technical aspects of an established historic fact.

The point of the matter is you tried to discredit Eisenhower by atempting to implicate him in the Vietnam conflict, based on a small, technical detail that has no relevance in the actual historic events. I corrected you, and apparently you are not able to take dissenting opinion.

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