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Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 5:35:13 AM   
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Master and i have been trying for about 3 weeks now and we ALMOST had it 2 nights ago. It just wouldn't go,and was VERY frickin painful. I was bleeding afterward, and actually still have some pink going on. Is it normal to bleed after fisting or attempted fisting, and for a few days after?

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 5:42:12 AM   
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No, in My experience there should be no bleeding after a fisting session. See a doctor .

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 5:44:18 AM   
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I have had bleeding after a fisting, but it stopped within a few moments. Assuming that you are not having your period, do you know where the bleeding is coming from? Is it a cut in the vagina, a pulled/stretched perenium, what?

Normally I wipe w/ toilet paper then press a flat piece of toilet paper to the outer vagina to see if it's there...if the toilet paper has no spotting (or the spotting is at the opening), then Sir will take a look at me to see where I'm bleeding from.

Recommendations are: have him trim his fingernails. If he is doing it bare handed, using a latex glove and padding the fingertips with cotton balls (or half cotton balls) to make sure there is no chance of scratching.

Also, my recommendation is to take it a bit slowly. Fisting is awesome but you don't want to hurt yourself on the way there. And when you get to a point where you can't go further, I recommend that you stop and hold still. Don't pull the hand out, just hold it in place without pushing further. Let the body relax around it.

Good luck!

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 5:53:54 AM   
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Elorin, i can't thankyou enough for the advise. It sounds like solid info i will take and use right away. thanks again!

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 6:09:52 AM   
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Just out of interest, what sort of lubricant are you using?. Oil based lubricants are known for causing urinary tract and pelvic infections and the fact you have pink rather than red going on now points to infection. it sounds like you have possibly been scratched and then developed an infection.
It is easy to get a  mucosal laceration during fisting  and although they are normally only minor, you need to keep a close eye on this. Bleeding is a warning sign and could well indicate a tear in the vaginal tissue, so if it continues seek medical advice.
Even if you know 100 % that your partner is clean, I  would always recommend that surgical gloves are worn for fisting because of the very high risk of a bacterial infection.

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 6:14:56 AM   
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Just out of interest, what sort of lubricant are you using?. Oil based lubricants are known for causing urinary tract and pelvic infections and the fact you have pink rather than red going on now points to infection. it sounds like you have possibly been scratched and then developed an infection.
It is easy to get a  mucosal laceration during fisting  and although they are normally only minor, you need to keep a close eye on this. Bleeding is a warning sign and could well indicate a tear in the vaginal tissue, so if it continues seek medical advice.
Even if you know 100 % that your partner is clean, I  would always recommend that surgical gloves are worn for fisting because of the very high risk of a bacterial infection.

we had been using astroglide. I am with Master on a business trip and will be returning home this Sat...if the cramps and "pink" have not gone away i will have to go to my Dr.....(GOD!!!...i used to teach her son in my Sunday school class, this will be awkward)
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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 6:30:34 AM   
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It sounds like you tore a little bit, if you ALMOST had it, but the cramps imply that you could have bruised your cervix.  I had a "fisting incident" that sent me to the Doc as well.  There was light bleeding and cramping for a few days, and any attempt at intercourse caused bleeding for a month or so.  This, though, was with very vigorous full out fisting.  The doc told me that it seemed my cervix was bruised because it would bleed a little when she manipulated it.  There was no treatment except time.  If you have an open "wound", take care to keep the area very clean, avoid any products except mild soap and water...dont douche.
In the future, gloves are helpful, in case it was a matter of a scratch or something...and honestly...lots of people think that the solid crisco is the BEST lubricant for fisting.  You definitely need an oil based lubricant, as they dont dry out and need reapplying as often...and use TONS of it.  Keep in mind that oil based lubricants are not suitable for use with condoms.  Hope you are feeling better.

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 6:59:16 AM   
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Usually for someone who's not had kids you have to be very very very turned on and stimulated to orgasm several times before he should begin fisting.
Maybe you guys are being a little too goal oriented and you've torn yourself trying to just force things faster than you body could keep up with it.
The cramps you're having definitely would lead me to believe the tears or scratches (did he use a glove??) more than likely are definitely deeper than just your opening /perineum area.

Once you heal I'd recommend you getting as relaxed as possible and way into the mood before you try again.
Do something like have him give you a massage (if he does that sort of stuff), or a nice bubble bath.
If you opt for the bath masturbate yourself to orgasm while in there as that makes the tissues inside much more elastic.
Then fool around as you like oral, manual, toys or penetration with him again to an orgasm.
Once you're pussy's good and wet and quivery then have him don a latex glove, lube you about 5X as much as he heaver has before even squirting about 2-3 tablespoons in your twat as deep as he can without sticking the tube in you. What I've done is have him put a couple of big dollops of lube on his finger and stuff it inside as far as he can a few times. The filling your hole full of lube can be part of the manual stimulation he does to get you all horny hot and bothered.
Then he should gradually go from 2, to 3, to 4 fingers then really stimulate the heck out of you to the point of orgasm. Once you're so quivery and hot you're about to come have him make his hand into the shape he would if he was pretending it was a sock puppet and allow you to force your pussy over his hand.
The part that pulls me is the thumb knuckle.
I'll get him right to the knuckle while he's playing with my clit and push my twat onto his hand at a rate where it indeed stings much like if you put your fingers in your cheeks and stretched your mouth lips tight.
If the stinging goes much beyond stretching your lips you're in danger of tearing.
Over all I'd recommend you not being so goal oriented and thinking you have to make it fit THIS time.
As you keep trying this the skin will stretch and more than likely you'll get there one day.
Enjoy the interaction and trying and training your pussy.
Don't look at it like you failed if his hand does not go all the way in.

I agree no matter how you're feeling you should go to the Doctor as cramps the next day after not even getting all the way in there concerns me that something's amiss.
Yes, it will be horribly embarrassing, but it's necessary for you to be a good steward of your vaginal health.
I'd go, feeling better or not, just to be sure I didn't do any damage, or if I did do damage how long before that will heal enough to be penetrated without exacerbating the condition.
You have to remember to temper your humiliation with the notion there's nothing you'll tell him he's not heard before.
In addition to that to discuss these sorts of things when it's not crisis mode necessarily helps you.
You, in your coming out to him, should say you and your guy really get into rough sex and if you came to him with say a bruised butt or something, where you stated they were consensual marks would he fill out the potential abuse form and turn it into social services.
If he says he knows you well enough he'd not think you were being abused then you have a place to ask all sorts of things. You'd also not have to coordinate going to see him with not having any marks.
It would open a experts door of knowledge to you that would benefit you immensely.
Due to patient confidentiality he'd not tell your secret to anyone.
Compromising his opinion of you is way worth the risk of having a Doctor in your court when you have questions or concerns.

Good luck to you and I hope your pussy feels better soon,
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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 7:02:32 AM   
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Hi   Ive never bled or torn after being fisted.  Ouch   Lube is obviously the way forward and i prefer oil based ones myself, better slip lol.  I'm not advocating drug use here but I found poppers to be a wonderful help.  Also we can take upto ten times starting from the beginiing and putting mroe in each time I find that helps too, if anything doesnt feel like its fitting right I make him start again and change the angle a bit. We have also found that by slowly turning his hand as he puts it in helps too.

Good luck you will love it when you get it :D


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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 7:09:49 AM   
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First... I take it this was vaginal fisting... if not, please clarify

Secondly.... if you apply a lot of pressure or insert a finger too deeply into or around the cervix you could dislodge the plug that seals the entrance & possibly cause some physical symptoms of menstruation. (i.e. spotting, cramps)

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 7:40:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elorin

I have had bleeding after a fisting, but it stopped within a few moments. Assuming that you are not having your period, do you know where the bleeding is coming from? Is it a cut in the vagina, a pulled/stretched perenium, what?

Normally I wipe w/ toilet paper then press a flat piece of toilet paper to the outer vagina to see if it's there...if the toilet paper has no spotting (or the spotting is at the opening), then Sir will take a look at me to see where I'm bleeding from.

Recommendations are: have him trim his fingernails. If he is doing it bare handed, using a latex glove and padding the fingertips with cotton balls (or half cotton balls) to make sure there is no chance of scratching.

Also, my recommendation is to take it a bit slowly. Fisting is awesome but you don't want to hurt yourself on the way there. And when you get to a point where you can't go further, I recommend that you stop and hold still. Don't pull the hand out, just hold it in place without pushing further. Let the body relax around it.

Good luck!

~E


This is very good advice, but you left out one big clue that I learned from some of our local lesbians -- LUBE! LUBE! AND MORE LUBE!!!

It helps soooooooooooooo much!!!
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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 7:48:00 AM   
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I didn't see in the message or reply if you were still able to bear children.  This is another possible area of bleeding.  If the cervix is still intact and it is being pushed upon there could be some bleeding from here also.  Especially if you've never born children before.  Stretching the cervix during fisting can also be a very erotic sensation so long as it is done carefully and with a lot of patients and LUBE.  A lot of LUBE. 
In addition, fisting should never be done bearhanded, by either sex, as there are certain fungus' underneath the fingernails that can cause many different health issues.  If you continue to bleed and you've been being fisted barehanded, a PAPS Smear may be in order.

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 7:49:21 AM   
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No.  It's not normal to bleed after fisting, unless you're on the rag, that is, which I'm assuming you would know and not be questioning.  You might have been torn or cut inside.  If you were, you were opened-up to getting an infection, which is not good, at all, and is in need of medical attention. 

But, as a sadist, I must say, pain is good.  I like to hear that it's very painful and I do my very best to make it as "frickin painful" as possible.  But, bleeding......Not Good.

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ORIGINAL: imthatacheyouhav

Master and i have been trying for about 3 weeks now and we ALMOST had it 2 nights ago. It just wouldn't go,and was VERY frickin painful. I was bleeding afterward, and actually still have some pink going on. Is it normal to bleed after fisting or attempted fisting, and for a few days after?

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 8:43:16 AM   
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No.  It's not normal to bleed after fisting, unless you're on the rag, that is, which I'm assuming you would know and not be questioning.  You might have been torn or cut inside.  If you were, you were opened-up to getting an infection, which is not good, at all, and is in need of medical attention. 

But, as a sadist, I must say, pain is good.  I like to hear that it's very painful and I do my very best to make it as "frickin painful" as possible.  But, bleeding......Not Good.

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ORIGINAL: imthatacheyouhav

Master and i have been trying for about 3 weeks now and we ALMOST had it 2 nights ago. It just wouldn't go,and was VERY frickin painful. I was bleeding afterward, and actually still have some pink going on. Is it normal to bleed after fisting or attempted fisting, and for a few days after?


Ok...see you i like...LOL...and i still do menstrate but had had my tubes tied since i was 22. (had all 3 of my kids by then)

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 11:17:41 AM   
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one thing I am seeing is people encouraging the use of oil based lube with latex gloves...   While you don't have the same worries with latex gloves as you do with latex condoms it is always best to use a latex friendly lube.  Don't want the gloves breaking and inadvertant scratching.  Or just use non latex gloves and all the oil based lube you want.

edited cause I spell liek a drunken pirate

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 11:45:43 AM   
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one thing I am seeing is people encouraging the use of oil based lube with latex gloves...   While you don't have the same worries with latex gloves as you do with latex condoms it is always best to use a latex friendly lube.  Don't want the gloves breaking and inadvertant scratching.  Or just use non latex gloves and all the oil based lube you want.

edited cause I spell liek a drunken pirate

I personally do not use oil based lubes as I feel they probably trap more germs and remain on your skin much longer.
I prefer water based lubes always no matter what activity requires them.
Hell if you used oil based lubes, how long could it take before it's all absorbed and you could use a condom again.
I mean what if you're fisted in the afternoon and want to have sex suddenly?
LOL You'd be grounded at least 24hrs from condomed sex or taking a much higher risk of breakage.
With me following the old girl scouts motto I choose to be ready and prepared. LOL if I have a sexual partner I'm always, I repeat always ready for intercourse, and would be pissed at myself if the right man and I wanted to, and couldn't over some product I used.
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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/16/2007 1:34:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

quote:

ORIGINAL: pauliestl

one thing I am seeing is people encouraging the use of oil based lube with latex gloves...   While you don't have the same worries with latex gloves as you do with latex condoms it is always best to use a latex friendly lube.  Don't want the gloves breaking and inadvertant scratching.  Or just use non latex gloves and all the oil based lube you want.

edited cause I spell liek a drunken pirate

I personally do not use oil based lubes as I feel they probably trap more germs and remain on your skin much longer.
I prefer water based lubes always no matter what activity requires them.
Hell if you used oil based lubes, how long could it take before it's all absorbed and you could use a condom again.
I mean what if you're fisted in the afternoon and want to have sex suddenly?
LOL You'd be grounded at least 24hrs from condomed sex or taking a much higher risk of breakage.
With me following the old girl scouts motto I choose to be ready and prepared. LOL if I have a sexual partner I'm always, I repeat always ready for intercourse, and would be pissed at myself if the right man and I wanted to, and couldn't over some product I used.
suzanne




Totally agree with you regarding oil based lube. http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1321.html

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/17/2007 4:47:53 PM   
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I didn't comment about lube because I got the impression the OP is familiar with the concept of fisting and would have already gotten that piece of advice. I was trying to suggest things that I know no one mentioned to me when I first started. ~s~

As for lube, I prefer silicone based lubes because they don't get absorbed by the mucous membranes the way that water based lubes do, so you don't have to stop and add more lube as frequently. They are, however, hard to wash off. (I recommend a bottle of lemon juice in the shower after liberal use of the silicone based lubes.) I normally use Wet Platinum, but Gun Oil and other silicone based lubes are great too.

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/17/2007 7:53:00 PM   
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Three kids by twenty-two .....  At past forty and legally required to take care of them for AT LEAST another eight or nine years your plan suddenly seems brilliant!

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RE: Fisting advise please - 5/17/2007 8:22:46 PM   
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Other than lubricant, some women can be quite wet on their own, start with two fingers, definitely hook behind the clit too, and just work it a bit, gradually three fingers, then 4, then eventually the thumb, by which point the entire hand can follow...just don't try it all at once lol

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