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what to do? - 8/30/2005 7:34:25 PM   
joelle2001


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Status: offline 		What if you find that the person your playing with is not truthful with you whether it be their age or soemthing else? i have been having so many doubts and then found out some things that were not true about a person i was playing with. i don't know if i should comfront Him or leave it alone.
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RE: what to do? - 8/30/2005 8:06:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is this any different from any other type of relationship? Either you're willing to continue allowing someone dishonest to have a place in your life or you're not. No one else can tell you how to live your life or what kind of people with which to maintain relationships. You have to be an adult, determine your own level of tolerance for deceit and proceed from there.
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RE: what to do? - 8/30/2005 8:10:31 PM   
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What if you find that the person your playing with is not truthful with you whether it be their age or soemthing else? i have been having so many doubts and then found out some things that were not true about a person i was playing with. i don't know if i should comfront Him or leave it alone.


Well, I'd tell them to screw. If they can't be honest about really insignificant things like age, etc. how could you trust them with really important things, like your ass?

If you are afraid that if you throw this liar overboard, you'll never find anyone else to play with, you are wrong. This, WIIWD, is based on honesty. If this guy can't be honest with regular things, how can he be honest when he's playing with you?

Dump and run. You have the empirical data you need. No explaination or confrontation is needed here. Run.

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RE: what to do? - 8/30/2005 8:25:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a little vague. Age lying is common but a strike for me. Am I to infer anything from reading your profile? Assuming that you might feel like I do and this life is about communication and is supposed to be fun as well as fulfilling.......

Nah, don't give it another thought, you don't have any thoughts and ANYTHING you think is not valid. It is just your inexperience and stupidity........


Grind thru that................

Ok, show over............

Now, anybody here I believe feels that you have a right to reasonable feeling, thought and concern, if you have one express it and talk it out.

This does not require our consensus.

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RE: what to do? - 8/30/2005 8:40:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know that confronting is a good tactic, but leaving it alone will only say that you're ok with being lied to and happy in a situation like this.

Bring it into the open, ask what's going on. If you WANT to make an honest relationship and he's willing to SHOW you that he can build actual trust, then you go from there.

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RE: what to do? - 8/30/2005 9:31:27 PM   
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What if you find that the person your playing with is not truthful with you whether it be their age or soemthing else? i have been having so many doubts and then found out some things that were not true about a person i was playing with. i don't know if i should comfront Him or leave it alone.


I'd confront them then dump them. IF they lie they will continue to lie. Which could end up hurting you at a later date. Why allow yourself to be hurt worse by being even more attached to them when it happens?

I would make them very aware of why I was dumping them though.


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RE: what to do? - 8/30/2005 10:05:42 PM   
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I don't know that confronting is a good tactic, but leaving it alone will only say that you're ok with being lied to and happy in a situation like this.

Bring it into the open, ask what's going on. If you WANT to make an honest relationship and he's willing to SHOW you that he can build actual trust, then you go from there.


Positive confrontation is, for me, the best method of handling "problems" and "Fears". Its also damned good self counselling and excelent psychology too. Just grab the problem (In this case male) by the testies......

"And you squeeeeeeze a little,
You twist a little,
You even pull them in and out a little..
And that's all there is,
Thats what they call love......"

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RE: what to do? - 8/30/2005 10:11:09 PM   
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What if you find that the person your playing with is not truthful with you whether it be their age or soemthing else? i have been having so many doubts and then found out some things that were not true about a person i was playing with. i don't know if i should comfront Him or leave it alone.


Don't leave it alone, this is something to be discussed between the two of you. Trust is a powerful thing, if you don't have it in your relationship, then you are in for rough seas.

Talk to him. See what he has to say for himself. Based on his answers or lack of them you can make up your mind from there. Some are a bit quick to tell you to cut and run, but if it is to be over, he at least deserves to know why it is over.

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 2:46:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		My last relationship ..he built around his lies...If there is one lie most likely bigger ones are to follow... Run because the longer you hang out the more feelings you produce and more hurt
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ORIGINAL: joelle2001

What if you find that the person your playing with is not truthful with you whether it be their age or soemthing else? i have been having so many doubts and then found out some things that were not true about a person i was playing with. i don't know if i should comfront Him or leave it alone.


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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 4:39:55 AM   
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My last relationship ..he built around his lies...If there is one lie most likely bigger ones are to follow... Run because the longer you hang out the more feelings you produce and more hurt
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ORIGINAL: joelle2001

What if you find that the person your playing with is not truthful with you whether it be their age or soemthing else? i have been having so many doubts and then found out some things that were not true about a person i was playing with. i don't know if i should comfront Him or leave it alone.




Yep been there too. That is a real Deal Breaker for me. the trik would have to start all iover and try to build up the trust and respect from the ground up IF I allowed her to.

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 5:32:18 AM   
joelle2001


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Status: offline 		Thankyou everyone for replying. i am sorry for being vague about some things in my post. What made the issue complicated for me is that i have become attatched to this person. i think i knew all along what to do , but i needed some reassurance.

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 6:03:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing i've found with those that lie Joelle2001, the *problem* or what ever it is that is creating the lie is within them, not you. Putting them in the spot light of a confrontation usually only produces a protective crust of self preservation. . . . = more lies. Honesty can be hard, especially if the issue at hand is an ugly one. Personally, i cant trust a liar as far as i can throw um. If they'll lie over something simple to get their way, as others have mentioned "your ass" or in my consern, your health are more important then choosing to close your eyes to something you know isnt *right*.

good luck.........
Q

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 8:40:26 AM   
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Well, I'd tell them to screw. If they can't be honest about really insignificant things like age, etc. how could you trust them with really important things, like your ass?

If you are afraid that if you throw this liar overboard, you'll never find anyone else to play with, you are wrong. This, WIIWD, is based on honesty. If this guy can't be honest with regular things, how can he be honest when he's playing with you?

Dump and run. You have the empirical data you need. No explaination or confrontation is needed here. Run.

Lily


I'm with Lily on this one. Almost exactly what I would have said. Difference is that I would absolutely let him know why I'm dumping him. No argument, no discussion, just a simple "I found out that you have lied to me. I can't trust you. Goodbye." It may keep them from doing it to the next person down the line. Doubtful, but possible.


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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 9:12:59 AM   
SirWaverider


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Status: offline 		as a Dom myself I would agree with ProtgonistLily & Osidegirl.....Especially, if it might involve safety...personally, if you can't trust the person you play with why waste your time and talents??? when I play with My sub...it's all about honesty, safety and trust. (for Example)I like knife play and she loves it to. she honestly knows I would never inflict intentional injury to her...uuuhhh to an extent...nothing that needs a first aid kit or paramedics anyway(LOL) and she trusts me that I will keep safety in mind. there needs to be trust in play. I say let him know yo know he lied and lose him

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 9:26:14 AM   
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Personally, i cant trust a liar as far as i can throw um. If they'll lie over something simple to get their way, as others have mentioned "your ass" or in my consern, your health are more important then choosing to close your eyes to something you know isnt *right*.

good luck.........
Quivver


i can tell you, at 52 years old, that when a lover lies -- about anything -- the bulls**t and drama train is about to pull into the station..i urge you to RUN not walk away from liars.

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 12:15:11 PM   
joelle2001


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Status: offline 		i appriciate what everyone is saying. Although i still have another problem about saying goodbye, i can't yet. i can't let go of how he makes me feel when we are together. Now what?

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 12:21:38 PM   
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i appriciate what everyone is saying. Although i still have another problem about saying goodbye, i can't yet. i can't let go of how he makes me feel when we are together. Now what?


My advice remains the same. You can either accept a relationship that has lies throughout and act like it's good and enjoy what you can, or you can reject a relationship like that.

Yes it's hard, but you're pretty much saying that you value a relationship with a liar and settling for some "good feelings" MORE than valuing honesty and long term commitment (which ONLY work with honesty).

But it will be good to have your perspective when the communication threads start up again. You can say "I just needed him too much, so I de-valued honesty. Now I can still feel good and he can keep lying, works for us, we're totally happy."

You have a clear choice- honoring the value of honesty and not settling, or valuing "a relationship" with a liar.

Emotions don't make it easy, but remember, love isn't NEARLY enough to make a relationship work.

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 2:16:28 PM   
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i appriciate what everyone is saying. Although i still have another problem about saying goodbye, i can't yet. i can't let go of how he makes me feel when we are together. Now what?


It is very obvious from your OP that you have a problem with his lying to you. This sounds as if it is a deal breaker for you. If you want to ignore this in favor of your feelings toward him, don't let me stop you. You have to live with yourself and the underlying knowledge that he might not be honest and trustworthy and that does not sound as if it is what you want from a relationship.

I am certain you have feelings for him and after you end this you will hurt. You will heal, it just takes time. You come out a little wiser and a better person for the experience.

Better to detach from him now rather than wait and allow those feelings to become more ingrained than they are already.

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 6:58:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		then rule one applies. You must talk to him and find out what it is. He must be honest if it takes you weeks.

Some people just lie because they feel their real feelings or situation will cause you to have misgivings.

Talk talk talk

Get it straight or get it gone, but know....perhaps it is a simple misunderstanding.

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RE: what to do? - 8/31/2005 7:16:45 PM   
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