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Pornographic Paradox - 5/3/2007 11:42:58 PM

OedipusRexIt

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A friend recently put forward this observation:

Male pornography is visual. Female pornography is verbal.

Any thoughts on whether this is true? If so, why?

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/3/2007 11:47:20 PM

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It's just another over generalization, sharing in the same pitfalls and partial truths of others.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/3/2007 11:50:53 PM

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You're right, of course, on that minor point. Allow me to add...

"in general, ceterus parabus"

... ok?

So, admitting a generalization, and all other things being equal, the question stands.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/3/2007 11:54:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

Allow me to add...

"in general, ceterus parabus"

What do you mean?

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/3/2007 11:54:29 PM

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I wouldn't quite put it that way. Both men and women can be aroused by both verbal and visual. What I find to be more of a true statemnt is this

Men are turned on by the physicality of pornagraphy, women are turned on by the emotionality of pornagraphy.

I'm basing this on several patial reason which lead to the above statement

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/3/2007 11:57:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BondageTopJere

Men are turned on by the physicality of pornagraphy, women are turned on by the emotionality of pornagraphy.

This does sound more accurate.
I would add, though, that I feel this is largely due to social influence as opposed to soley the nature of being male or female, based off genetic characteristics.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:10:00 AM

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Doh clicked on the wrong spot. Anyhoo..

I'm basing off the writing styles of fictional authors. Many if not male authors will lavish great detail on the physicality of what is going on in thier novel. The place, setting, the visualiztion of the whatever is going seems more.... intuitive than the emotional aspects. On the other hand, by and large many if nor all female writers have the opposite tendency, wherein whats going on inside the charcters head is of much more importance than what is physical happening.

If you wanted to split up porn into its media format, be it pictures, videos, or written, you'd most likely notice a tendency in men to like the video and photos over written style whereas women will generally go for videos and written. Photos are almost strictly physical, as there is no way to vicariously experience what is going on emotionally for the photo subject, unless their facial experssion is vey evident. There no emotionality to them, so by and large there will be a lack of response on womens part. Conversely, written fantasies have far less physicality to them, in fact its all imagined on the part iof the reader, but the emotionality behind is very front and center. The thing about authors gender becomes vey obvious then. I can almost always tell what gender the writer of a fantasy is simply based on how it is written. Videos are the one common format, as it satifies both the physical ( front and center eviedence of what is going on, what is being used, and how it is being done, the appearance of both parties) and the eomtional ( verbalizations, body language, how the 2 or more people interact with each other). Personally speaking, I think most producers of porn would find women much more interested if the emotionality was enhanced a great deal, while leaving the physicallity alone.

This isn't to say that men don't like emotionality and women the physicality of porn, it simply that they don't NEED the respectives aspects in order to find porn enjoyable.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:13:08 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

A friend recently put forward this observation:

Male pornography is visual. Female pornography is verbal.

Any thoughts on whether this is true? If so, why?

I am going to go the oppsite of most here and say that its half correct. I do think that men are more visual than females; yet I don't believe that women are ony verbal; I think for us, its a combination of verbal and visual which then leads on to the ability to put the two together in our minds...

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:15:51 AM

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quote:

I would add, though, that I feel this is largely due to social influence as opposed to soley the nature of being male or female, based off genetic characteristics.

I agree to this to a extent that it is not solely the gender charecteristics. However I see it as more of a case of discouragement from enjoying the opposite genders viewpoint, rather than encouraging it in their own. I think most men would find the emotionality of porn to be greatly enjoyable if they allowed themselves to appreciate it. However like I said in another post, the don't NEED the emotionallity in order to enjoy porn.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:26:01 AM

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Yes us men are into the picture image of it, but we will verbally do what we have to, too get to the physical part of it lol.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:28:12 AM

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Here I will put forth a point made by the lawyers in photographer Robert Mapplethorpe's legal case:

PORNOGRAPHY is a depiction of what sex LOOKS like. EROTICA is a depiction of what sex FEELS like.

Feel free to polarize based upon gender!

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:30:53 AM

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maybe! i wonder if it is more the style of pornography that matters. i abhor all of the max hardcore type shite, and would run him and his staff out of town in a heartbeat. many men i know cheer the nasty little twat on, and "learn" how to treat others in the fashion he does as they know no different and never will.
i am an afficionado of porn, but there is classy and theres nasty, i choose classy! a topic on it's own really, stacks of films have passed through my pc, few stayed in it. it is a taste thing, and ladies, generally, have better taste! i am not like ordinary men.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:32:45 AM

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quote:

PORNOGRAPHY is a depiction of what sex LOOKS like. EROTICA is a depiction of what sex FEELS like.

Put a bit more succintly than what I said, but generally the same. So what happens you combine the 2? PORNEROTICA?

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:33:10 AM

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Laugh...that means, in other words, "OK, I realize it's just a useless generalization, but if I indicate that I'm aware it's a useless generalization by adding a misspelled Latin phrase, does that mean I can go around saying it anyway?"

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ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt

You're right, of course, on that minor point. Allow me to add...

"in general, ceterus parabus"

... ok?

So, admitting a generalization, and all other things being equal, the question stands.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 12:39:45 AM

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quote:

maybe! i wonder if it is more the style of pornography that matters. i abhor all of the max hardcore type shite, and would run him and his staff out of town in a heartbeat. many men i know cheer the nasty little twat on, and "learn" how to treat others in the fashion he does as they know no different and never will.
i am an afficionado of porn, but there is classy and theres nasty, i choose classy! a topic on it's own really, stacks of films have passed through my pc, few stayed in it. it is a taste thing, and ladies, generally, have better taste! i am not like ordinary men.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say much if not all the "classy" kept in porn has either a; much better script than most and probably involves more dialgoue and frequent use of it, much more attention in the body language of the porn participants and includes a greater degree of fore/afterplay than the majority, or simply the actors can actually act like they have geniuine feelings be they what they are, than the "nasty" passed on stuff.

True, kinda true, competely off-base?

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 1:15:46 AM

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It would be interesting to know if gay men and lesbian women and bisexuals of both sexes fell into the same broad generalisations as their heterosexual peers are proposed to.

I'm m2f TS - written material is far superior I find, and always has been. Tasteful pictures/videos I find OK, but the more extreme pictures and the more physical "piston engine" type videos I find baffling as to why they might be arousing.

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 2:34:10 AM

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I read somewhere (and I don't know where, so please, don't ask me for links, statistics, citations, etc), that Penthouse once did a survey and found that amongst their readership, more men reported purchasing the magazine for the pictures of the models, etc, while more women reported purchasing/reading (more reading than purchasing, which is interesting in and of itself) for the Forum section.

Now, if you are not talking pornography and begin talking what attracts men and women more, my grandmother once told me (she was warning me) that women can get men anytime by dressing up, looking pretty etc because the way to a man's bed was through his eyes, while the way to GET a women into bed was through her ears.

After I stopped laughing at the whole idea of having sex in an eye and ear, she explained to me that men like women to LOOK pretty and while women also like men to look nice, they are more turned on by what the men say. So, according to Grandma, don't be fooled by men's sweet talk. Just know what I want and work from there.

After a few mismatches in the search for a good man, I remembered what she said. I found out that FOR ME, she was absolutely right and I hadn't been paying attention. When I did, I started looking at what they DID vs what they said and that made all the difference. But I am STILL turned on by the right words from someone.

And online, if we're talking porn... my choice is always the erotica rather than the pictures.

So, I guess, attempts at appearances of egalitarianism aside, I'd say the OP is pretty darn right - at least in my portion of "in general."

juliet

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 2:45:47 AM

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aw you're so purty, and intelligent too! fancy a shag?

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 3:07:27 AM

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Now I would have to disagree. Male and female authors both write physically, and both write mentally. I have never read or seen a difference. I would say on the whole, its a good 50-50.

Not all female authors are Ms Cartland, and not all are Mr Higgins.

As for pornography - as a female I adore it. I think that still images are fabulous(you really ought to see my collection), even more than watching some (technically awful) porn flick. Gay porn is (mostly) good. But I really see no sense in the whole storyboard pornography. If I want that, I will watch an independant or european film where the acting will be 200% better. Pornography isn't about what is behind the image or video, it is what is occuring there and then. Erotica is ok, but it really does nothing for me as a woman. I think most males tend to just generalise that most women like the whole romance and knowing the charachters - personalizing if you like. Nope - it isn't always like that. Porn is porn - novels are novels. Even us women can tell the difference...

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RE: Pornographic Paradox - 5/4/2007 4:06:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

It would be interesting to know if gay men and lesbian women and bisexuals of both sexes fell into the same broad generalisations as their heterosexual peers are proposed to.

I'm m2f TS - written material is far superior I find, and always has been. Tasteful pictures/videos I find OK, but the more extreme pictures and the more physical "piston engine" type videos I find baffling as to why they might be arousing.

E

Super-interesting question, LadyE :) It might be too early for me to be coherent here, but I'll try.

I think the whole appreciation for the type of porn one likes is based in a big part to the way we're wired by gender, the Man/Mars - Woman/Venus thing. Men are more tuned into themselves internally, and just want the simple stimulation and release of the physical nature, whereas women are turned into their external world and prefer porn that is more romantic and flowery...i.e., where the guy engages in foreplay that lasts longer than 30 seconds and doesn't immediately move to her dropping to her knees, etc., and where she has several orgams from him stimulating her in various ways, not as a reaction to being on her knees.... In male-oriented porn, it's pretty much all about the guy, but in female-oriented porn, it's about both of them equally.

My theory in your case, LadyE, and I do mean this with the utmost respect and admiration, is that the reason you had the gender reassignment (hope that's the right term!) because, in the simplest terms, you were a male body with a female brain? So, it would stand to reason that you have a bigger appreciation for the "female-type" porn?

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