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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 5:54:33 PM   
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Love is that state where another's happiness is necessary to your own... R.A.H.

A good enough working definition I suppose.  Now, when to state it.... hmmm. 

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 6:57:39 PM   
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LOL!  Not necessarily, my ex husband would fart in bed and hold my head underneath the sheets...hmmm...I guess that is why he is my ex husband....and they really did not smell like roses, either.


 

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:02:19 PM   
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I think farting is a pretty good indicator of when you're in love.  I divide relationships into pre-fart and post-fart.  If you haven't yet farted in front of someone, I'm not sure you can really say you love him or her.



That is just too funny!
 
I have to remember (steal) that one.
 
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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:11:41 PM   
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i am not sure what the fear is in saying "i love you" to someone.  If you feel it but don't verbalize it, that doesn't mean if the person you loves doesn't return the sentiment it will be any less painful. 

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:20:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I think farting is a pretty good indicator of when you're in love.  I divide relationships into pre-fart and post-fart.  If you haven't yet farted in front of someone, I'm not sure you can really say you love him or her.


The second phase is when you let them see you on the john.

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:28:20 PM   
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Not to go totally off topic - but ya know, in the 18 years i was with my husband - i never once did.  He wasn't uptight or anything :)

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:28:20 PM   
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After reading this thread, Jinx and I had a conversation about it, and neither of us can remember who said it first, or when. I was a bit put off that I didnt remember until I realized it doesnt matter.

He loves me, I love Him, c'est toute.

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:29:48 PM   
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I very much agree with your post on telling another what you are feeling, and letting them know what that word means to you when you do.

On the note of the "second phase"; The third is when you can't get a minute of peace while you're there.lol

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:31:36 PM   
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My thoughts entirely! I have seen 2 people, who are so well suited that they obviously think alike on this one, skirting around the L word for weeks before one of them finally cracked. It was hilarious for onlookers who knew them, though I felt a bit sorry that they would let this sort of "rule" prevent them from saying what they were so clearly feeling. It was a relief for everyone when it was finally said! Granted both had been through previous bad relationships so I could understand their reticence a bit ... but reading the body language of each other should have reassured them that this time would be a different reception.

I am quite the opposite in that I am quite willing to tell someone I love them when I do. I don't wait, though I do like to pick the precise moment. But like MasterFireMaam I define what that means in that context. Loving doesn't equate to being in love and I like to make that clear. Perhaps the most amazing time I ever said it was when I told a large class of renegade 16 year old students that I loved them. They were giving me such a hard time and after 14 years of teaching, I had run out of strategies. I shared it with the prayer group I was attending at the time, and while they were praying for me, I had a vision/dream ... of me in the classroom, saying "You think I hate you, but I don't, I love you". Unfortunately that was where the dream ended LOL so I had no idea of what their reaction would be. Next day, things were very tense in the classroom, as we'd recently had a parent-teacher meeting and most of their parents had got a bad report about their behaviour. Some of the students had been grounded etc and were very resentful. Taking my courage in both hands, I said the exact words in my dream. Much to my shock (and relief) they stopped dead, looking at me absolutely gobsmacked. Making the most of the moment of silence, I explained that I was concerned for them, I wanted them to do well in the final exams, I wanted them to achieve their life goals and educational success was necessary for that. And that I was sorry for being so hard on them sometimes, but it was out of love, not hate. A few more moments of silence, then one said, "But Miss, don't take it all on yourself. It's not all your fault, we've been awful to you." And others chimed in, owning up to their part in the whole disaster. We spent the rest of that lesson in open discussion, working out what the problems had been. Some I had to own, like comparing them unfavourably to my other class, and I apologised for that. But a lot they owned too and we reached an agreement about how we wanted things to go in future. That was the last lesson that term, and I confess, after 2 weeks holiday, I wondered if the changes would take effect. But when I walked into the first lesson in the next term, some students had moved places as they'd suggested, they ALL had their books out (miracle!) and were attentive and ready to work. It was awesome and we worked so hard those next 2 terms to make up a lot of lost ground.

What that taught me is that the words "I love you" can have a powerful, lifechanging effect. And that I shouldn't hesitate to say them when it is truth. I may not always be so fortunate to see so obviously the positive effect it may have on someone, but I believe it has that effect nonetheless. And why should I rob someone of that (and the effect it has on me to actually say it) for some "rule"?

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:45:40 PM   
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meh. Love can be evil anyway  

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 7:55:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I think farting is a pretty good indicator of when you're in love.  I divide relationships into pre-fart and post-fart.  If you haven't yet farted in front of someone, I'm not sure you can really say you love him or her.


The second phase is when you let them see you on the john.

Master Fire



And in addition, giving one's Master a blumpkin is a definite "I love you."

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 8:58:58 PM   
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 You have no idea how much I envy those with the time and opportunity to do so.  I've quite literally never been in the place required to say "I love you", that being in romantic relationship, either D/s or vanilla.  Prior to a few days ago,  I was strongly convinced that I never would be in one, that I would never be able to call myself boyfriend, fiance, husband, father.  A thread here on this board lead me into a new place adn eventually to a book by a psychologist that dealt specifically with the reasons why I would never be able to have a relationship.  I started a thread in the Health and Safety forum ( love-shyness ) about it if anyone is interested in reading it.

So for all those who are in a reciprocal loving relationship, say it frequently and say it loudly, with as much sincerity and heartfelt love as you can.  True love is a precious thing and our society has become very non-conducive to people who want that and is very disparing of people who try. 

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 9:03:11 PM   
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And in addition, giving one's Master a blumpkin is a definite "I love you."


There's no way to lose what's left of your modesty quite like vaginal birth.  I still have family ask me to this day why I didn't want the birth to be a family party...

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 9:10:52 PM   
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I'm one of those brutally honest people. I told Daddy the minute I truly felt it. Now that we live together...we not only get to say it, we get to show it.
 
I am starting to get hesitant about saying it now, because it starts to lose its meaning. It's almost habitual...so I've started to make it a point to think about what it means everytime I say it. And, I'll say it in different ways so that He'll process it differently..."You know that I love You, don't You?" That sort of thing has really helped me get over the feeling that I was just saying it out of habit.
 
Generally, though, I'm more concerned with people who say "I love you" and don't mean it.

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 10:05:09 PM   
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that question is purely answered with each individual's unique personality.

for some people they cant say it yes...they will always wonder if the other responded with the same just to please them or if they ruined the relationshp etc etc....and vice versa. it really is based upon a case by case scenario

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/3/2007 10:24:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daddysblondie

Not sure if this is the right place for this or not, but here it is.

Recently, several friends and I have talked about when in a relationship one should say I love you. I have one friend who feels you should say it when you feel it. I have another friend who claims she's NEVER said it first and furthermore that in a D/s relationship, the sub should NEVER say it first. It seems to me though that adhering to a hard and fast rule that a sub should never be the first one to say I Love you, flies in the face of the idea that communication is the most important thing in a D/s relationship.

So my question is, how do you all feel about saying I Love you. Is it really the "kiss of death" in any relationship for the woman to say it first? Should a sub/slave NEVER be the first one in the relationship to say it first?

I'm looking forward to reading everyone's opinion on the matter...

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/4/2007 3:11:18 AM   
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claps! well posted!

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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/4/2007 3:21:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I think farting is a pretty good indicator of when you're in love.  I divide relationships into pre-fart and post-fart.  If you haven't yet farted in front of someone, I'm not sure you can really say you love him or her.

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ORIGINAL: daddysblondie

I have one friend who feels you should say it when you feel it. I have another friend who claims she's NEVER said it first and furthermore that in a D/s relationship, the sub should NEVER say it first.


LaM - you completely hit the nail on the head - wonderful.
 
As for saying those three words - they are wasted far too much that they have lost their meaning in so many relationships.  I tell my Boy I love him - does he always 'have' to respond with those four word return of 'I love you too'?  No,  I know he loves me regardless and visa versa, but we do not have to verbally communicate it constantly.  Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't - doesn't mean he loves me any less and when he does say it, I know without a doubt, every single fricking time, that he is saying it because he means it, not because its an automated response.
 
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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/4/2007 3:43:55 AM   
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I thought this was about liberalism, but love same gimmick.

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Well, I thought it was the OTHER "L Word" and all the hot girls on here were confessing. Imagine my disappointment!

As far as love........if the telling or the hearing of it has ever been a problem in my life I just don't remember that being the case. Everyone that is special  in my life knows that they are loved. If they don't then shame on me, because they deserve to.


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RE: On saying the "L" word... - 5/4/2007 3:51:13 AM   
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i am not sure what the fear is in saying "i love you" to someone.  If you feel it but don't verbalize it, that doesn't mean if the person you loves doesn't return the sentiment it will be any less painful. 


The "fear" isn't in actually saying it, it's the fear of the reaction of the one you said it TO.  There are quite a few who react to hearing "I love you" like the proverbial sound of the needle being jerked off the record, especially if they were only in the relationship for fun.  Hearing "I love you" suddenly arouses feelings of responsibility that they may not want at that moment, so it sends them packing.

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