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RE: Suicidal friend online - call 911 or not? - 5/1/2007 7:50:53 PM   
minnetar


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I discovered that anyone trying to check whether she's ok results in her flying into a demented state and hurting herself, so I am stuck between a rock and a hard place in doing what a friend should do.
You could run the risk, if she's getting her life together to give her a set back if you intervene, sounds like she's very unbalanced and wouldn't need to much to send her over the edge. It's a hard call to make.

We are no longer local to one another, so I only have phone and internet to contact her anymore. She's been posting on Collarme and in her Blog, so I used to know that she was ok by visiting her profile. She was in the habit of logging on every single day for over a year, so I knew she was alive at least.
If she's been blogging have you read her entries - that can tell you something about her state of mind. 


I've been wrestling with doing nothing, or calling police in her city to go and check whether she's still alive; because she doesn't work or see anyone or talk to anyone, this person could be dead for weeks and no one would think to find her. On the other hand if she is ok she will not be understanding of my actions as being out of concern for her; I know this because I asked one of her (former) local friends to knock at her door last year when she disappeared for a week, and she lost what little composure she had over it and was even more suicidal for days.
Seems she has a pattern of disappearing. If you know she's not going to respond well to your checking up on her then i wouldn't do it. If she's hell bent on killing herself there really is little you can do for her. One visit by a police man, who will just be going through the motions, won't make a lot of difference.  They cannot force her into a hospital without someone actually saying they heard her say she was going to kill herself.  It is very, very difficult, even for family menbers, to get someone psychiatric help if they don't want it.

What can I do??? Can I put someone who was a dear loved friend out of my mind completely even if she's in danger? Or should I try to do something even if it infuriates her and wrecks any further possibility of her ever talking to me in the future? My master says I should leave her be, but I'm having trouble morally justifying doing it, as well as getting rid of images in my imagination of various horrific visions of what could have happened to her.
There really isn't much you can do. If you lived near her you could intervene by checking on her yourself, but to send a stranger (police) will only make matters worse in my estimation. 
 
i feel for you in the situation you are in, unfortunately there are times where all we can do about a situation is pray. i hope things turn out well, but in the meantime try not to worry - it won't change the situation and will only cause you stress. 
 
Just to add - most of the time people who truly plan on killing themselves never say a word about it.  If you really want to die, you're not going to warn others about your intentions, unless of course you want someone to stop you. 




sorry but i disagree with that statement.  i have had numerous friends who talked about it and ended up doing it.

minnetar

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RE: Suicidal friend online - call 911 or not? - 5/1/2007 8:03:56 PM   
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I have worked on a crisis line for a year, and the only thing i would tell you to do is call the police. Tell them everything you have told us, and ask them the procedures to send someone out to check on her.

You have right to be concerned and wouldn't want to just wait it out. Take every time she mentions suicide seriously, and the fact that she no longer has no one there for her be concerned more. Also have the police make her contact you if she is ok. I am truely hoping everything is fine, and please let me know how it all turns out.

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RE: Suicidal friend online - call 911 or not? - 5/1/2007 9:26:00 PM   
Elorin


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~using fast reply~

Naked Girl Scout, as someone who does self injury and who has been suicidal in the past, call the police for a welfare check.

I have had policemen knock on my door twice during really rough times in my life. They both happened in the past 2 years. The first time, I was upset but ok, and let the policemen know, walked them through my house, and they said goodbye. I was mad at the person who called them but she honestly was worried about what injury I might do to myself, and I got over the angry with time.

The second time the police took me to the hospital and I was admitted to the psych ward for observation. The friend who called could not be here in less than 90 minutes so she called the police instead. She drove to the hospital and found me, and was the one to drive me home when I was released. I wasn't the slightest bit angry, and was relieved that I could go and maybe find help.

If you are concerned and have no other way of contacting this girl, I would call the police, explain the situation and the reasons for her concern, and then wait for them to call you back. You will know ahead of time that she might hate you for it, but you will also know that you did something rather than do nothing.

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RE: Suicidal friend online - call 911 or not? - 5/1/2007 10:23:32 PM   
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Maybe you've thought of this or not, but the simpliest means of doing a phone check on her is just buy a disposable phone at Walmart, have the number assigned to it one from her area code, then call her. It's a number that she wont recognize so she'll probably pick up, if she doesnt, then contact the police and have them do a security check on the residence, or welfare drive by.
Biggest thing is stop beating yourself up about the situation, you've made an effort to help her, you've done what was reasonably possible to assist her and keep tabs on her welfare, and worrying yourself sick about the situation does neither of you any good.
You lead a horse out of a burning barn once, if he runs back inside you don't go back in after him.

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RE: Suicidal friend online - call 911 or not? - 5/12/2007 10:05:25 AM   
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Update on suicidal friend situation:
I did take someone's advice and called a mental health/suicide crisis center in her local area. They were kind enough to follow up with a phone call to her residence and called me back saying that she was alive and had told them she was alright. I was enormously relieved.

A few days later she had written in her blog that anyone checking on her welfare (not only myself but anyone at all) she construed as "an act of war". Her exact words: act of war. She threatened to call Childrens Protection Services on anyone who tried to find out if she were ok (yes, this doesn't make any sense, she doesn't know anything to say to them including addresses or the cause of such a call).

I am with great sadness but without any other option forced to accept however I can that the person is unable to respond rationally and that she will get help only if she asks for it directly, or tries to kill herself, fails, and winds up in hospital.

At least I know in my heart I have done everything on this earth to reach out and help, and that if anything should happen it was not through my lack of action. It's little comfort but at least I won't have guilt on top of sorrow. Thank you for everyone's advice and words of support.

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RE: Suicidal friend online - call 911 or not? - 5/12/2007 10:10:56 AM   
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I'm very glad that your friend is okay at this moment. Yes, I think you have done all that you can do. I'm sorry that this caused you pain, it is hard losing a friend. But sometimes you simply have to let them go, especially when it is a one-sided & unhealthy friendship. I am sorry though cuz I know it hurts.
*hugs* for you.

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RE: Suicidal friend online - call 911 or not? - 5/12/2007 6:16:32 PM   
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NakedGirlScout,
Glad you followed the decent advice being given. You have done what you can, and remembering all the people in the world with problems, it's usually only the ones who you feel close to that you can give real help to. Devilslilsister's post is the ideal, but usually reserved for those considered close. And depite some questionable takes on morality, it is would be the moral approach.
Remeber also that we lose friends constantly throughout our lives, and not just through death. People grow apart and follow different paths. Even without suicidal thoughts this person may have drifted out of your life, someone who was a friend but is fast becoming a stranger?
For all you tough love people out there, when it has worked consider it luck. There are many people in suicidal states of depression themselves for dishing out tough love minutes or hours before someone has taken their own life.
Also people who successfully complete suicide attempts nearly always announce it. Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's a straightforward statement, but it's usually there. Cutting off ties to family and friends is a classic one, so the person can feel like they are not leaving anyone behind, grieving and in pain. So is tying up lose ends, putting things in order. Goodbye calls are another one. Subtle changes in behaviour which are often missed are also announcements of suicide.

CuriousLord,
Read Devilslilsister's post to understand morality.

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