Real0ne
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WHat i meant by that is we actually broke away from the monarchy and many of its philosophies where as those in the uk have not.
So from where i stand the line of oppression is in different places such that your country has th eauthority to oppress its people more than ours, however noting that in practice it may us that is more more oppressed even with our rights and declarations.
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I wouldn't disagree with that. The fact we have a second house made up of appointed bishops, hereditary peers and businessmen taking back handers makes us the political laughing stock of the Western world. I quite like the American system of a second elected house. It's hard to say why we put up with this - my estimation is the majority of the people are cynics and have no faith in politicians, so any alternative system is deemed to be as much of a waste of time as the current one, hence people opt out of the democratic process. Of course, there's the issue that many people are more interested in shopping than politics.
Its not enough however. They still infiltrated and took our gov over. We need some kind of major volunteer watch group that sues and sues and sues and cuts gov funding as fast as they waste it. People oversight committee if you will to ensure our constitution is upheld by presenting the other side of what they are doing to the people. Call them the peoples press...
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I have to say though, I've been to about 20 countries and chatted with the local people and I've never come across anyone like a minority of people on this board who will fanatically stand behind their government in the face of the facts to the contrary - granted it is the minority.
Franlky i cannot think of a place i would rather be. however..... i would like to see this government operate the way it was set up to operate. They set up a system here, and now that they made a few changes that violate the constitution that upset several things both up and down the line if you will. So wee have several imbalances not that would not exist if they stayed within those boundaries. They now have given themselves the right, get it? a straw man that has rights? laughable. to be imune to prosecution as well as the right to violate the constitution on a narrow limited basis. such as no assault weapons. granted you may agree with that however it is none the less a violation. i do believe there should be boundaries but only in the extremes and how the gun is decked out is not an extreme. So we have huge problems as one narrow line leads to another and over time guns will in fact be banned.
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In practice, I don't think either nation is free. I listen to the definitions of freedom on this board and can't believe people think they're free becasue they can choose between a television and a holiday - that is a sure sign of attitude adjustment. In Britain, we're not free - we're slaves to the system where we work when businesses say we work, they take the lion's share of the benefit of our labour which in effect means we're basically renting ourselves to business owners - only a short step from ownership, then there are all the overt controls, then there is the propaganda machine, then there are the more subtle controls.
We are on paper anyway.
If you want to get laughed at tell someone from the ME we are free. Right that is corporate programming at its best! Then those same people call me nuts and extreme because i remember what the definitions of freedom really are. It is the same way here.. everything comes through "sanitized" and "slanted" and most people just hear it over and over and over again that they go along without realizing it. Its common to hear that "i am to busy for all that shit" if you talk to people about government. and many times they are, or lazy.
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In the US, a group produced and paid for adverts aimed at highlighting the levels of consumption and waste in the US. All channels refused to air the adverts on the grounds "they were not in the interests of US business". In other words, business rules at the expense of all else. This oppression of alternative ideas for the benefit of business exploitation is fucked up. Same here, we've lagged behind continental Europe in our individual, environmental responsibilities - largely due to our mainstream media promoting business ideals at the expense of social responsibility.
Right and the gov was never designed to be an advertising or a propaganda agency but they have been getting away with it unchecked for so long people no longer know the difference and those who do are dying off of old age. Its getting to the point monarchies have more freedom than we do for petes sake LOL The only social responsibility they have is to gaurd and uphold our constitution and instead they chip away at it.
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The crux of oppression is this: the majority of people don't realise they are oppressed at the time. It is future generations that understand this oppression. Prior to the 1960s, the majority of women didn't realise that being chained to the kitchen was oppression. Similarly, people will look back at us in a hundred years time and think what a pack of uneducated, neanderthals they were. I think the day will come when freedom is measured in terms of self-possession, and moral and intellectual standing - not that we're going to see it.
Bingo, it wa sa slow process, parents think their darlings are getting the best education when our educational standards are the lowest in the "free" world lol... oh yeh well there you go, that is a good one. i have always said they fucked themselves! That is a well known propaganda scheme exactly like doubling the inflation! Get all the women out into the workforce and get 2wice the labor force over time and pay them both 1/2 that would have been paid who ever the bread winner was.
The issue here, granted voting was wrong as was blacks not being citizens, but the issue is that nothing ever ever held women back from working out other than the stigma attached. women could pretty much do what ever they wanted to even in the early 1900's but much of this was self imposed attitudes not oppression from men. granted there are plenty of exceptions, i wont argue that. The unfortunate side effect is that it now takes 2 bread winners to earn less than one bread winner used to. Why? because they have to pay a baby sitter now and they do not get special incentives or perdeims for it. So what once looked like a savior has now become a a ball and chain around many womens ankles. hear it all the time.
Well my hope would be that freedom comes in the light of omnipotence...whereas we can be what we wish within the limitations of that freedome which is not to impose on anothers freedom. Buying a drug from the drugstore does not impose on anothers freedom however it is illegal and requires someone with a sheepskin to give it to you. i guess they feel its better to have people with the proper degree kill you instead. Medical here is so bad they had to cap the malpractice suits at 250,000.00 bucks. that is what your life is worth here.
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 4/30/2007 2:26:07 PM >
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