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MHOO314 -> Forced Feminism (4/30/2005 6:26:13 AM)
(yes I am playing with a new look---) however, recently when I was discussing the L/life with a new male sub, the conversation of forced feminism came up--although it is not one I practice, I thought I knew the answer and the reasons, but I would like to hear from others regarding their thoughts, why its practiced, the gains, and perhaps come techniques, also from subs that seek or live with that. ]edited for spelling error

LadyAngelika -> RE: Forced Feminism (4/30/2005 7:18:37 AM)
I'd like to ask for a clarification please. Do you mean "forced feminization"? If so, I might suggest the following threads Forced sissification forced feminization enforced feminization public feminisation the premise of forced play Or did you really men "forced feminism", as in forcing someone to believe the basic tennets of feminism, in which case would require one to get a submissive to do a whole lot of reading. Also, it might help to determine which branch of feminism. I guess that would fall under "forcing someone to believe what I believe"... - LA

MHOO314 -> RE: Forced Feminism (4/30/2005 8:52:46 AM)
yes forced feminization--thoughts?

siamsa24 -> RE: Forced Feminism (4/30/2005 8:56:21 AM)
LA just directed you to five different threads that discuss that topic. You could look into those to see everyone's thoughts

LadyAngelika -> RE: Forced Feminism (4/30/2005 8:56:55 AM)
quote: yes forced feminization--thoughts? Yes - the thread names I posted in post 2 are links - click on them to read more. (anything in that gold colour is a link)

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Forced Feminism (4/30/2005 11:50:26 PM)
I like the idea of "forced" feminization more than a situation where he is overly eager to go there; having said that, I'm learning more about it and enjoying it more in terms of playing with a manly man and turning him into a sexy looking girl during some play. My only issues thus far is buying clothes for me as well as for a boy I would play with, so ugly money issues may come up. How do you feel about it? Turn on/off Ms Hathor? M

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/1/2005 2:24:58 AM)
I am with M on this. It gives Me great delight to refuse to allow a boy to dress up when I know he craves it so badly. I would rather save it for a reward. But then I feel the same way about "forced bi". I have talked to some boys about this need to dress. Most tell Me it is a need to relax. Escape. How they are relaxed in short skirts, padded bra, thongs, garter belts, stockings and 5 to7" high heeled boots is beyond Me, but Mine is not to reason why. So I believe I pay less attention to the psychological reasons they may want this activity, and more to how I can use it to My benefit. Either pushing a soft limit, or saving dress up time as a reward. I can be a Bitch that way. For the boy who is willing to explore (not a hard limit), nothing is cuter (and maybe a little humiliating) than having him in some pretty lingerie while he is doing the dishes. Or I might put him in some high heels before he is permitted to vacuum! My biggest problem with "forced" femme is that so many boys want it so badly. They send Me pics all day long showing themselves dressed up. I always ask, how forced can it be? Edited to add: M! If he wants to dress up so badly, he should buy his own things, per your instructions, and it wouldn't hurt to shop with him. He can always buy a few little pretties for you too! And if it is to be forced, he can still foot the bill! Also, don't hesitate to stop into a local Goodwill or Savers. They have some cute things in large and extra large sizes for a song. That way you have a few frilly sizes in your closet for this type of play.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/1/2005 10:39:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold My biggest problem with "forced" femme is that so many boys want it so badly. They send Me pics all day long showing themselves dressed up. I always ask, how forced can it be? I agree, but as it has been pointed out on another thread there are ways to make him uncomfortable in feminization (making him do the yard/flowers in the silly gear). quote: M! If he wants to dress up so badly, he should buy his own things, per your instructions, and it wouldn't hurt to shop with him. He can always buy a few little pretties for you too! And if it is to be forced, he can still foot the bill! Also, don't hesitate to stop into a local Goodwill or Savers. They have some cute things in large and extra large sizes for a song. Thanks for the advice, I will keep it in mind. M

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/1/2005 1:46:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig I agree, but as it has been pointed out on another thread there are ways to make him uncomfortable in feminization (making him do the yard/flowers in the silly gear). Ah yes. So much fun. Even when they love it, they often don't think of the humiliation aspect. That is when I have them in a pair of short shorts, camisole top and sparkly beach thongs (pink is a favorite color) washing My car in front of all the neighbors. One boy was terribly into his pretty PVC clothing, so We drove to McDonald's and he went inside in his pretty outfit, pink high heeled boots and purse to order a hamburger and fries. "What, Mistress? No drive-through, tonight?"

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/1/2005 4:35:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold One boy was terribly into his pretty PVC clothing, so We drove to McDonald's and he went inside in his pretty outfit, pink high heeled boots and purse to order a hamburger and fries. "What, Mistress? No drive-through, tonight?" [sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif], Good one. M

domtimothy46176 -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/2/2005 3:36:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MHOO314 (yes I am playing with a new look---) however, recently when I was discussing the L/life with a new male sub, the conversation of forced feminism came up--although it is not one I practice, I thought I knew the answer and the reasons, but I would like to hear from others regarding their thoughts, why its practiced, the gains, and perhaps come techniques, also from subs that seek or live with that. ]edited for spelling error I assume (with tongue firmly planted within cheek), that the OP refers to the forced feminization of males. I've yet to see a discussion on the topic of forced feminization of females. Surely I'm not the only dominant to ever collar a tomboyish woman. I personally have no issues forcing my girl into the dreaded skirts, no matter how much she whines about her fat calves. I do allow her to wear the baggy shirts around the house but I know she still pines for her jeans and polo shirts. Dragging her into the shoe store and making her try on heels, though, nearly caused a full-blown rebellion. How does a woman make it into her mid-thirties without owning heels? It is kind of nice to see the reaction I get when I threaten to send all her sneakers to Goodwill, lol. Anyone else have similar horror stories to share? Timothy

LadyAngelika -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/2/2005 4:31:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176 I assume (with tongue firmly planted within cheek), that the OP refers to the forced feminization of males. I've yet to see a discussion on the topic of forced feminization of females. Surely I'm not the only dominant to ever collar a tomboyish woman. I personally have no issues forcing my girl into the dreaded skirts, no matter how much she whines about her fat calves. I do allow her to wear the baggy shirts around the house but I know she still pines for her jeans and polo shirts. Dragging her into the shoe store and making her try on heels, though, nearly caused a full-blown rebellion. How does a woman make it into her mid-thirties without owning heels? It is kind of nice to see the reaction I get when I threaten to send all her sneakers to Goodwill, lol. Anyone else have similar horror stories to share? Timothy Actually there wasn't a thread about it but I do talk about it a few times. I'll repost my experience here. I trained a tomboyish girl to act like a lady. I knew this was a sore spot for her because she got nagged by her mother all the time growing up. So to get her in heels, lingerie, short skirts and putting make-up on was a kind of cross-dressing for her even though she was biologically a girl. The process took a while and was often humiliating for her but she kept coming back for more. It ranged from learning how to walk in heels to eyebrow plucking to all sorts of mannerisms, etc. She was absolutely breath taking as a girlie girl. In the end she said being made to do it instead of being nagged at for not doing it made all the difference. - LA

sting516 -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/2/2005 8:09:28 AM)
ok...well on a slightly different topic...lately i've been thinking about forced womanhood...actually being turned into a woman gradually...of course, is this feasible, probably not...but the knowledge it could happen, or at least the fantasy that this could happen is very hot to me...still, i have no desire for this on my own...but it's been a common thread in my naughty thoughts of late. hell, i've even found myself semi-attracted to shemales of late...a feminine looking body with a good long hard cock...the contrast of that is extremely appealing to me...of course, Goddess only knows where my mind will go next. sting

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/2/2005 11:11:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sting516 ok...well on a slightly different topic...lately i've been thinking about forced womanhood...actually being turned into a woman gradually... hell, i've even found myself semi-attracted to shemales of late...a feminine looking body with a good long hard cock...the contrast of that is extremely appealing to me...of course, Goddess only knows where my mind will go next. sting Hey Sting maybe you should read SissymaidLola's journals; she has all the info about these cravings and then some in there. M

sting516 -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/2/2005 11:15:39 AM)
actually....lola is one of few people i have blocked...got a bad taste in my mouth by her early postings...maybe i should unblock and see if that's changed. and no jokes about what that bad taste in my mouth is! sting

domtimothy46176 -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/2/2005 7:28:07 PM)
Indeed, LA, it sounds very much like the changes I've made with my girl. After enough eyebrow plucking sessions, she decided she would much rather get them waxed at the salon, lol. Teaching her to put make-up on, however, was much more of a challenge. Having no practical experience of my own, and not willing to turn it over to a professional, I found myself expanding my knowledge of cosmetology. My problem isn't that toy was nagged, however, but that her mother wasn't a girlie-girl either so she had no role-model. The cross-dressing parallel has occurred to me, also. I'm still not quite certain how one goes about teaching a woman to walk in heels. My first thought is that simple practice will suffice. Any thoughts? Timothy

LadyAngelika -> RE: Forced Feminism (5/2/2005 8:18:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176 Indeed, LA, it sounds very much like the changes I've made with my girl. After enough eyebrow plucking sessions, she decided she would much rather get them waxed at the salon, lol. Teaching her to put make-up on, however, was much more of a challenge. Having no practical experience of my own, and not willing to turn it over to a professional, I found myself expanding my knowledge of cosmetology. My best friend in my early 20s was a make up artist. He was also the most beautiful drag queen. He and I would get decked out and go to straight bars, make out a wee bit, nothing obsene (we were both bi) and hunt for boys. He got hit on more then me. Anyhow, he taught me everything I know about applying make up ;) quote: My problem isn't that toy was nagged, however, but that her mother wasn't a girlie-girl either so she had no role-model. The cross-dressing parallel has occurred to me, also. I'm still not quite certain how one goes about teaching a woman to walk in heels. My first thought is that simple practice will suffice. Any thoughts? Timothy When it comes to heels, practice does make perfect. You could have her walking: - on carpet at first, then moving to floors - ceramic tiles is the hardest surface to walk in heels on - with a wider heel to start with, going down to a thiner heel progressively - with a pump or boot first, then gradually moving to strapy shoes - in front of a mirror - it's not just about getting from a to b but getting there graciously - with a book on one's head will help with posture Eventually, it will become second nature. I also found these excellent tips on this site - http://www.ehow.com/how_16007_walk-high-heels.html 1. Step with your heel down first, then let the sole follow quickly and smoothly. 2. Walk with your toes pointing straight ahead or as close to straight ahead as possible. 3. Swing your arms as you walk for balance. 4. Keep your legs straight, close and parallel. 5. Take smooth, even steps; consider shortening your stride a bit. 6. Avoid walking on ice, slush, mud, grass, sand, gravel and grated surfaces, on which you can slip or sink. When in doubt, take off your heels and carry them across such questionable surfaces in your bare feet. Tips: When climbing stairs, make sure both sole and heel land together firmly and simultaneously on each step. When descending stairs, only the sole of the shoe needs to be planted on each step. Learning to walk in high heels is mostly a matter of practice. Warnings: While high heels can make your legs look better and longer, they can also wreak havoc on your feet, especially when worn regularly over long periods of time. Avoid driving in high heels - you don't have quite as much control over the car, and you can damage the back of your shoe. Keep an extra pair of flats in your car, or consider driving barefoot. Also, you might want to check out some advice given on this board not to long ago in a thread entitled High Heels for slaves/submissives Hope this helps! - LA

plaything -> RE: Forced Feminism (7/13/2006 5:03:39 PM)
why its practiced, the gains, and perhaps come techniques, also from subs that seek or live with that Why varies widely: from defining an obvious sub space to simple humiliation. Some Ladies use it to help emasculate the slave and make deeper submission easier, taking advantage of the males tendency to perceive females as more submissive. A lot of it revolves around the importance of the penis in the male psyche; sliding a snug pair of pink panties up over his limp and unused organ weakens many mens knees. Others do it for emasculation, to help soften the edges of masculine assertion that a sub might otherwise have. For a lot of people its about dressing up in high heels and what most would consider "sexy" clothes. But some Ladies find that they don't like some of the attitudes or mental associations this creates - those emasculating or subduing a willful slave. In either case, a more subtle and "cruel" (in the delicious sense) approach can make the rest of your cross-dress play the more amusing, as well as changing the way in which the sub perceives those times when you do have them wear lingerie or heels... Instead of providing them with a play time wardrobe of lace, swap out items of their clothing with matching items from the other side of the store - simple, daily wearable, casual clothing. Items that may be indistinguishable or even the same as they would buy as a "boy" like tshirts. There are stores where they sell the same tshirt in the mens dept as the womens, the only difference is the size label and the isle you purchase it from. There are items that differ only in name - some stores sell "boycut" jeans which are almost exactly mens jeans apart from, perhaps, the insides of the pockets. Then there are "boyshorts". If your sub has small enough feet there are many womens trainers - and even some oxford work shoes - that you can't tell from mens shoes without getting close. When you sub puts them on, the womens-size label will be clearly visible as he slips them on. Imagine that you have a cross-dress/sissy session each Friday night with your sub. Your sub comes to you on your first Friday and you have him slip into skimpy sexy things as part of the c/d play. This week when he goes to change back to his normal things, you hand him a package of "boy shorts", to be worn throughout the week until the next session. This connects a little of your session to his entire week, and at the same time they aren't going to have the brain-throbbing chaos effect that a tight g-string would. They look and feel almost like the boxers he wears anyway. It will probably only be when he presents himself to you the following Friday and changes from panties to panties that its really going to explode into his brain. And he's going to be chagrined at all the little questions he has about comfort, materials, and types, that he may well be too chicken to ask about. Bikini briefs are also quite passable (e.g. Hanes'), and eventually he will be going to websites that used to be "wanksites" for him to replace holes in his laundry, and shopping for casual comfort. The unkinedness is a deliciously savory aspect. Some ladies particularly like this for separating the "feminization" from the "slut" they like to play with their boi as, as well as finding it can make them much more malleable to other aspects of training.

LotusSong -> RE: Forced Feminism (7/13/2006 8:27:50 PM)
I checked all the links she gave..and they all come up"Not Found"

DigitBox -> RE: Forced Feminism (7/13/2006 9:03:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sting516 ok...well on a slightly different topic...lately i've been thinking about forced womanhood...actually being turned into a woman gradually...of course, is this feasible, probably not...but the knowledge it could happen, or at least the fantasy that this could happen is very hot to me...still, i have no desire for this on my own...but it's been a common thread in my naughty thoughts of late. Crossdressers/drag queens/TG/TS all find ways to change themselves either temporarily or permenantly, so why couldn't you?

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