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sexy2sum -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 12:13:26 PM)

So you base your entire theory on what an astronomer would have said 17 years ago?  Are these the same feeble minded astronomers that we have today, or a new batch?  The truth is that astronomers still do not fully understand the forces at work in our galaxy and the universe.  Gravity, magnetism, and electricity are still mysteries in the scientific world, even though properties of them can be tested and known.  To say definitavely that something we do not fully understand exists or does not exist is simply foolish.  It doesn't take a feeble minded astronomer to tell me that.



Rule -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 1:57:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexy2sum
So you base your entire theory on what an astronomer would have said 17 years ago? 

No, I do not. Nor does it matter that it was 17 years ago.



OedipusRexIt -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:10:13 PM)

I'm surprised that people who posted on the thread about "seeding life" do a 180 and display a narrow, limited understanding of what "habitable" means.

... must be that multiple personality thing.  I guess it could get hard to remember what you said, depending on which profile you're using.  That's the risk you've taken, though.

Mars is habitable, with barely any help at all.   "None so blind"... yadda yadda.



Sicarius -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:25:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule
You all do not know what constitutes evidence. You'd rather believe the fairy tales of feeble minded astronomers.

 
Despite being the one to post a link to the article, I've not really engaged one way or another in the follow-up discussion that you've sparked.  As for myself, I believe that we must all constantly pursue greater knowledge than that which we possess, and it is for this reason that the comment of yours that I have quoted intrigues me.  I would genuinely like for you to tell me what it is that constitutes "evidence," so that we may have a mutual understanding prior to any formal and intellectual discussion on the matter.

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ORIGINAL: Rule
Show me a photograph. You cannot. Nor will you ever be able to. Not if you live ten thousand years and visit such a star in person. Not if you build a telescope as large as the orbit of Neptune. Those alleged radial velocity interpretation planets do not exist.


Would a photograph constitute evidence to you?

-Sicarius



Rule -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:32:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sicarius
Would a photograph constitute evidence to you?
I said so, didn't I.
 
In any case I am about to inactivate my account and will no longer participate in this or any other thread on CM ever. (I had hoped to achieve 1350 posts, but that is not to be.)



LadyEllen -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:38:15 PM)

At 120 trillion miles away, its hardly potentially habitable for us and if there happened to be some evolved species there, we'd not be able to interact with them anyway.

So its interesting, inspiring etc, but wont change the price of potatoes.

E



amaidiamond -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:38:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Sicarius
Would a photograph constitute evidence to you?
I said so, didn't I.
 
In any case I am about to inactivate my account and will no longer participate in this or any other thread on CM ever. (I had hoped to achieve 1350 posts, but that is not to be.)


Forgive me if i'm wrong but isn't that a bit of a "throwing your toys out of your pram" reaction?



OedipusRexIt -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:46:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Sicarius
Would a photograph constitute evidence to you?
I said so, didn't I.
 
In any case I am about to inactivate my account and will no longer participate in this or any other thread on CM ever. (I had hoped to achieve 1350 posts, but that is not to be.)


Forgive me if i'm wrong but isn't that a bit of a "throwing your toys out of your pram" reaction?



Before he goes, I'd really love to know what the point of achieving "1350 posts" would possibly be?


Oh and "throwing your toys out of your pram"?, how wonderfully British.



Sicarius -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:56:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Sicarius
Would a photograph constitute evidence to you?

I said so, didn't I.


Well, Rule ... today is your lucky day, my friend.

Last night when I heard about the new planet being discovered, I went out into a field behind my house with a pair of binoculars to find its location in the night sky.  Unfortunately I found that while this device was inadequate, some drunken passers-by had left behind a number of beer cans and bottles.  Using a hacksaw, which is a highly sensitive device not commonly known to laypersons, I proceeded to cut apart the cans to build a telescope and used shattered bits of beer glass to form my lens.

Using a free digital camera that I got out of a box of Cracker Jacks, I pointed the lens toward the rearmost beer aperture and was able to snap a picture in the general direction of the new planet.  I was understandably as amazed as you and everyone else reading this thread will be when I got home to my computer and uploaded my discovery ...

http://www.veracityprime.com/newplanet/newplanet.jpg

You can see everything.  The red dwarf star, the radial velocity planet filled with tell-tale fractal squiggles due to its irregular orbit ... it's all so very beautiful.

-Sicarius



LadyEllen -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 2:59:14 PM)

Votes for "fractal squiggles" to become an expletive?

Just sounds right to me

E



stef -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 3:03:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

You all do not know what constitutes evidence. You'd rather believe the fairy tales of feeble minded astronomers.
 
Prove me wrong. Show me a photograph. You cannot. Nor will you ever be able to. Not if you live ten thousand years and visit such a star in person. Not if you build a telescope as large as the orbit of Neptune.

Let's see if I can come up with a response worthy of your dazzling intellect.
 
"I can, but I won't. I am willing to discuss information that other people have uncovered and publicized, but I will not discuss information that I have discovered and that is not yet publicized. "

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In any case I am about to inactivate my account and will no longer participate in this or any other thread on CM ever. (I had hoped to achieve 1350 posts, but that is not to be.)

Christmas in April!

~stef



Sicarius -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 3:04:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Votes for "fractal squiggles" to become an expletive?


[:o]

-Sicarius



Vendaval -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 3:07:57 PM)

Hee hee...and such a geeky expletive it is!  [8|]

(Scientist drops test tube and it breaks or stumbles and knocks over
  a $2,000 microscope.  "Fractal squiggles!" )   [sm=mad.gif]

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Votes for "fractal squiggles" to become an expletive?

Just sounds right to me

E



Vendaval -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 3:12:01 PM)

General reply -
 
Well, fractal squiggles!  I was hoping that there might be a satellite launched at least!  
But this seems unlikely according to the quote,
 
" Distance is another problem. "We don't know how to get to those places in a human lifetime," Maran said. "



Sicarius -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 3:15:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

General reply -
 
Well, fractal squiggles!  I was hoping that there might be a satellite launched at least!  
But this seems unlikely according to the quote,
 
" Distance is another problem. "We don't know how to get to those places in a human lifetime," Maran said. "


You will be happy to know that I am already well underway at the creation of Phase II of my project.  Utilizing a chunk of rock that fell out of the sky (which could either be Exotic Matter undescribable by our narrow comprehension of Physics or a chunk of frozen waste from a passing airplane), I have built a gravitically-stabilized harness into an old airboat (which has been renamed the USS Fractal Squiggles) which will enable me to punch holes in the fabric of spacetime, thereby traversing great distances without necessitating any movement at all.

-Sicarius



Sinergy -> RE: Potentially "Habitable" Extrasolar Planet Found ... (4/25/2007 6:36:39 PM)

I was reading an article in Astronomy a few months ago talking about the likelihood of finding an inhabitable planet revolving around a red dwarf. 

According to physics principles, for a planet around a red dwarf (which doesnt burn very hot) to be within a range suitable for life, the orbit would have to be very close in to the star.

When you take the physics behind planetary / star masses and orbits, doing the math indicates that a planet in that close to a red dwarf to be warmed would be tidally (gravitationally) locked in orbit around it.  Similar to the moon around earth; one side always faces center mass.  So one side of the planet would be very cold, and one side of the planet would heat up.  Neither of these sides would support life (freezing or boiling) but a polar ring at 90 degrees to the center of mass could theoretically be the right temperature to support life.

There is a specific reason it is easier to find planets around red dwarves than other stars, but I dont remember off the top of my head what that is.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy



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