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Termyn8or -> Fewer and fewer people care about the Constitution (4/24/2007 9:58:27 PM)

Been coming on for many many years.

There are signs popping up all over Cleveland about Mittal Steel. The say "Mittal Steel, clean it up, for real". They are talking about the Alcoa plant, a local affiliate.

They are bitching about the smell, and I don't blame them. Even though the blame is not all on Mittal, or their affiliate here, people just seem to forget about Harshaw Chemical. They stink up the place alot worse and LITERALLY make our cars rust faster. I have not fully delved into the effects on human physiology, but in the third grade I could've told you that those effects are not positive. And I doubt they are innocuous.

Now we have the city of Newburgh Heights, Ohio taking those signs out of people's front yards, with a city ordinance that supposedly allows them to do so. They are doing this without notice or compensation to the property owners. If it happened to me, I would get the State's Attourney general to file charges for theft and violation of my civil rights, and I might even see if I could somehow evoke the hate-crime legislation, because they are a very powerful entity compared to me, and are acting like a bully.

In fact law exists in their own UCC, even without the hate-crime bullshit, it is clearly a conspiracy, and it is for private interest, of a town, but they are still culpable for that crime. You see the old Alcoa plant pays alot of taxes to Newburgh Heights. That is a vested interest, a conflict of interest to say the least.

I see it as treason and I think their entire government should be cleaned out with executions for high treason. High treason is different than I guess "low treason". You commit treason as an individual I think some really bad shit should happen to you. But when PEOPLE ELECT YOU TO REPRESENT THEM AND YOU BETRAY THEM, that is and has always been defined as a capital crime, in any civilised society of which I am aware.

I also take exception to the municipalities, to which I like to refer to as 'tinhorn dictatorships', who make it illegal to put a 'for sale' sign in your front yard. What ? You are allowed in but not allowed out ? Who the fuck do these people think they are ?

Now I fully realize that Newburgh recognizes Alcoa as a constituent. But that is not a human entity. It seems companies have more rights than people now.

These people stink up the place and drive home to Perry or Westlake or Medina, or something. They don't care.

Now as I have said, I try to see both sides of things. Now this plant is not something we want to see shut down. What used to be Alcoa, is still an important part of our local economy, and possibly the national economy. At least they produce something, rather than paper. Paper is bank note that is not really worth the paper, insurance policies that twist it a bit, and drugs. I have no use for these things. But that is only my side of it.

My point is that they really produce something real. A remnant of a once thriving industrial economy where the focus was on the production of useful products, which is mostly gone now. Even Harshaw, they used to do pickling of steel there and when the wind shifted, UUUUGGGGGHHHH.

What I really didn't give much thought to back then was, what about when the wind shifts away ? It is probably hitting someone else.

We need to think about others to succeed in society. I do not mean get rich, I mean to live successfully together. We need to get along.

More and more choices are taken away every day, I choose to live in harmony with the nature of the times, no matter how fucked up these times are, I am here. We can do this the hard way or the easy way.

The 'legislators' in Newburgh should be strung up and shot for their malfeasance, their tyranny, which is a hate crime. This is also punishable under certain international law. Given the correct impetus, I will find it, probably in the 'oppression' section.

But then international seems not to apply to the US, England or Israel. This is not a conspiracy theory. Multinational interests who seek to rule the world have established just about complete control over three countries. These three countries carry out most of the aggresion in the world, and call it spreading freedom, yet the commoners in those countries would oust them if they got the chance. They do not get the chance because of the 130 some odd militarey bases in the world. Called US military bases, but they really are not. If you can see that last fact, you are pretty smart.

Now let's face some facts. The Constitution is what it is. It is a set of laws for the government to operate by. Refute that. It clearly defines their limitations.

The city of East cleveland I think is one, gets around this bacause when you buy a house there you do not have even title to the land. The city always owns the land. However, IIRC the same situation does not exist in Newburgh.

That means the people who removed those signs not only violated federal, state and local law, they also violated people's Constitutional rights, something that cost OJ Simpson a lot, lot of money.But OJ didn't take anything from me.

Now I hijacked my own thread, I hope your happy. I guess what goes around comes around, lol.

OJ soundn't have done it. Who did he think they were going to bust for it ? Now this is a big problem with law enforcement in this country. They are taught that it is easy to figure out who done it in the first five minutes. Then they build a case. They really have executed innocent people in this country. Totally not ironically it was in Texas and one of the Bush boys refused to stay it. The supreme court ruled in favor of the state of texas, and allowed the execution, which was carried out.

Who the fuck put people like this into these positions of power ? Answer : the presidents you all elected. If you voted you share in the blame. How does that grab you ?

Freedom ? The protocols say it best, it'll never happen. It is an illusion and I fully realize that, but I think we can do better than this.

When we live in a crowded society some of our rights are rightfully gone. Storing large masses of explosives or something that is a danger to everyone else of course might be prohibited, and rightly so. But realistically if people conduct their lives responsibly, regulation should not be needed.

When people in a society are fruitful, productive and prosperous, society works. When people become good, in spirit and in heart, they tend to trust the worng people. You think because you are a good person, tht everone else is. This is part of human nature.

The present system is going to result in our demise. I took the time to write this bacause it is time, NOW. We can only do so much. We can't really affect the government in any big way until we have ALOT of people on our side. That works, it has been proven to work in the past. Strength in numbers.

But government frequently lies to people to get those numbers. I don't even want to consider the impeachment going on, it is irrelevant.

Gonna tell you something, there are tens of millions of non-voters like me, and if the right Man gets into the race for real, we can change the world. That is why the media is so controlled, that is why the FCC has a SWAT team. That is the real power. It directs the will of the People, if you let it.

I know a guy, who's neighbor called the police because he had a jetski in his own fucking driveway. I think this was in Independence, Ohio. What a good choice for a city's name huh ?

Your rights are right under the shit stain where your goverment wiped their ass with the Constitution. I had nothing to do with it. But I want to make things better.

Any ideas ? Anybody even want to brainstorm ?

The Mittal Steel issue seems to have caught fire, why can't we do the same thing to get some good people into the governmanet ?

T




popeye1250 -> RE: Fewer and fewer people care about the Constitution (4/24/2007 10:18:25 PM)

I believe in the U.S. Constitution and I'd love to see Lou Dobbs run for President!




luckydog1 -> RE: Fewer and fewer people care about the Constitution (4/24/2007 11:05:15 PM)

So you think Zoning laws are unconstitional?  why?  The Constitution says that the Courts decide which laws are valid, not you.  Your premise that you decide over the elected people makes you the one who is anti constitution. 




Termyn8or -> RE: Fewer and fewer people care about the Constitution (4/24/2007 11:18:56 PM)

You blew that lucky.

The letter of the Law, not their interpretation of it.

If they can interpret it, they can just as easily say that 'does' means 'does not'.

Care to visit the second ammendment sites ? I doubt it.

So you think it is OK for a municipality to ban forsale signs in front of people's houses for fear of what it does to property values, and you think that they should protect a large company in their bailiwick from criticism from their supposed constitutents, the people who voted them in ?

Where are you from ? Because I am not going there. That is plain wrong and I am not afraid to say it. That is not how our country is supposed to be here, but then, you might live in communist China for all I know. I somewhat suspect that.

Have you ever READ the Constitution ? The Bill Of Rights ? Anything ? If you have you have a serious cognitive disablility.

That is my opinion, I will live or die with it. I hope you did not take offense, but I meant every last word of it.

T




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