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Sinergy -> RE: The Chinese in Africa (4/22/2007 7:07:01 AM)
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
I seriously doubt the Chinese could order thier people to give up thier cars and go to bicycles. That would cause a huge backlash among the 300,000,000 of them living in the Priveledged East.
Tiannenmen Square. The Chinese government could simply inform their citizens that due to the gas shortage gasoline will no longer be sold to private citizens.
What the Chinese government will do is enforce good standards on their vehicles. Research alternative energy sources. Build rail infrastructure. Insist that people relocate to be near their jobs. The important thing to realize about the Chinese is that you are not dealing with people who grew up under Western ideals of "Freedom" and "Democracy." An example of this is that the Chinese, for the past 10 years, has been inviting (synonym for being forced at gunpoint) people to relocate to Tibet.
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The other 700,000,000 dirt poor, non Han nations that were annexxed and stripped of their wealth by China, are all in various stages of revolt already.
I would be interested in reading some source materials on this. I have not read as much about the country as I would like to in the past 10 years.
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Sinergy is right about Vietnam and China's main motivations, though I think a little nuclear war in Korea would affect China. China is a huge country, but it has lots of huge problems.
No argument here. China spends 30% or so of it's gross national product on dealing with the health care issues brought about by their flagrant pollution.
I am a bit puzzled by the idea about nuclear weapons, however. The last thing China wants is a cloud of radioactive fallout from Kim Il Jong or the radioactive crater that was his country floating over China. Weapons technology has advanced in the west (and been stolen by the Chinese) for years. While the threat of global thermonuclear war was a real threat during the Cold War, I tend to think most people realize the down side of using them during theatre conflicts. In other words, if your army is going to occupy a country, probably best if you dont make it radioactive first.
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Regarding Africa, in some places China does appear to be helping the local people, of course to be honest, the west spends huge sums of money on aid to various projects in Africa, and has for decades. Of course in Sudan we see China giving cover and funding to the Genocide, and there is OIL in Sudan, so they are not above chopping off heads to get what they want.
China only gives money where it is in the best interest of China. If this involves giving money to the locals in, say, the Chad, I would be a bit shocked if there wasnt a supply of something like Tungsten which China had plans to mine.
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While the west absolutly raped Africa(technically I mean sub Saharan Africa but I am not going to write it out everytime), the reason they were so weak goes deeper. And will remain after the west is long and gone, unless there is a complete cultural replacement. It is so easy to produce food in most of Africa, that complex societies were not forced to develop. Civilizations developed in places where life was harder and required complex solutions. Egypt is the perfect example, they had to have irrigation, science to know when to plant and open the canals, order to maintian the system, common language to operate the system, ect to grow food there. And these kinds of societies overwhelm thier neighboors and get bigger/stronger. Han China was the same way. The Aztecs ditto. Europe was harder to live than Africa, but could get by on rain fall agriculture(requiring only a smattering of science), and laged far behind, untill the Romans conquered the place, and did a massive genocide cultural as well as physicall. 2000ish years the descendants of the Guals are proud of thier language of modified Latin(bizzarely so are the Mexicans, but thats another thread)
Completely agree with this.
Sinergy
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