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Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 6:17:03 PM   
darchChylde


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Mother Arrested After First-Grade Son Brings Crack Cocaine to Show-and-Tell
Monday, March 19, 2007

SHREVEPORT, La. —  A 20-year-old Shreveport woman has been arrested after her first-grade son brought a rock of crack cocaine to school for show-and-tell.
Police were especially disturbed by the child's understanding of crack cocaine. They said he seemed so accustomed to the highly addictive drug that he thought there was nothing wrong with bringing it to school.
Police did not release the name of the school, saying they are still investigating.
Lachristie Thomas was booked on a charge of improper child supervision, a misdemeanor.
Police say the six-year-old was placed in foster care.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259582,00.html

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 6:23:34 PM   
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I have been all for licensing parents for more than a few years now. I realize this flies in the face of "personal freedom", but I work with neglected and abused UMs (as a volunteer), and I can vouch there are  people who never gave a second thought to becoming a parent, and now feel "stuck" by all the responsibility, and it really, really shows. There are definitely people out there who never, ever should have become parents. And I feel really badly for their UMs.

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 6:28:12 PM   
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Wow, yeah I don't even know what to say about that. Hmm, other than obviously being in the pressence of drug use. I wonder if he was otherwise well cared for...fed, bathed, given attention, ext. Just curious if so this woman will probably have her child back in her home before to long.

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 6:34:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I have been all for licensing parents for more than a few years now.



You want me to wear a collar since I have UMs?

What if my rabies shot is out of date?

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p.s.  While I agree with you, in a sense, the problem with any sort of licensing is the honest people will pay their $39 dollars for their license, and the dishonest or people who beat/abuse/rape children wont.  Besides which, what happens when a mother has a child but no license?  Do we even more overburden the child services infrastructure with another orphan?

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 6:52:08 PM   
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Most likely scenario is that the um will be placed with any
responsbile family members who are willing to take him.
If that is not possible, then he will most likely stay with
a foster family.
 
What I want to know is if the mother used crack cocaine
while she was pregnant? 

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 7:11:59 PM   
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What does UM stand for?

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 9:00:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Casie

What does UM stand for?


UnMentionables - It means the kids, children are unmentionable according to Collarme TermsOfService,,, i guess that means i broke the rules

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/19/2007 9:05:29 PM   
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quote:

first-grade son brought a rock of crack cocaine to school for show-and-tell


It's a cliche, but if I'd read that in a novel, I'd have thought "Right. Like that'll ever happen."

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/20/2007 4:22:13 AM   
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Sinergy: Well, I'd re-vamp the whole idea just anyone can become a parent, and make a privilege and not a right.

I know the following ideas would never stand a chance of being instituted, and you'll probably think I am crazy, but you haven't worked where I've worked for the past few years.

As long as you asked, here is what I think.This might anger some people, but oh well. In my utopian, ideal world, here is what would happen (and I realize it probably won't - ever). But you did ask me:

I would make people fill out applications to become parents. Not just to adopt UMs, I mean to conceive a child. If they had a UM anyway, and hadn't filled it an application (aqnd there would be a "grace period" for obviuos reasons - conception accidents do happen), or gotten a subsequent license, then the state could just take their child and it would go into foster care or a group home, unless - they were able to find it a home with relatives or friends who did qualify to be parents, until they could qualify (if ever). 

This obviously flies in the face of wat most take for granted as their right to re-produce. After what I've seen, I am pretty sure I don't care, anymore.

I would make people take 1) mandatory parenting classes in highschool, in order to graduate, and also having anyone who already has UMs take a behavioral exam that tests personality traits that would prevent them from becoming a good parent, along with an extensive interview, with really well-constructed questions where the "correct" answer wouldn't necessarily be obvious (kind of like the MMPI).

**Anyone deemed "at risk" as far as being a potentially really bad parent (like someone who was prone to violence, or psychotic, or a drug abuser, and also who'd likely exhibit blatnat, or even moderate, forms of emotional or physical and-or sexual abuse toward a UM, as well - would just plain be out of luck. Sorry. Both of these measures would be ones I'd make essential to getting a parenting license.

No, tests aren't perfect, there are "holes" in these ideas, and some people might get the "short end of the stick". Yes a lot of this might seem "unfair". I don't have a solution to that. I do think, though, that it's mostly better that what happens now to many unfortunate UMs, though, as a result of being born to people who obviously didn't think for 10 seconds, before conceiving a child, bearing one, or becoming a father, and who mostly make it clear, via their behavior toward their UM(s), that they don't want to be a decent parent.

**Anyone deemed "at risk" but less so, could get a "transitional parenting license" as long as they signed up for parenting classes that would help improve whatever skills they were lacking that would help them engage with their UMs in a healthy, or at least nuetral, manner. Then they could re-take the exam, and if they passed, they could have a child, if they could conceive one, and met the other necessary requirements.

Income and marital status wouldn't have anything to do with getting a license (beyond being able to basically support a UM, as well as spend a substantial amount of time with the UM) - but mental and emotional stabilty would have almost everyting to do with it, along with a genuine, almost fervent desire, to become a parent, and truly nurture a UM. 

These same procedures would be in place for people who already have UMs, and I'd advocate social workers "dropping in" unexpectedly, to check to see how things were going as far as being a parent, for anyone deemed "at risk". 

For people who already had UMs that were obviously unfit, the system would operate much as it does now (except we'd need more foster parents, and-or or group homes).

I am sure under this kind of system, responsible folks who genuinely wanted UMs and could care for them, would still be able to become parents. Thye could re-apply every 3-5 years, of they failed to meet the requirements for a parenting license.

You asked. If I get flamed for this post, I am not answering any flames. But there is my answer. And thanks for asking (really).

- Susan

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/20/2007 6:22:02 AM   
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Hello, Susan. =)

I'd say that if a child born to an unlicensed parent was put in foster care, then our whole foster care/adoption system would have to be re-vamped as well.

The problem I see is deciding what qualifications would be the deciding criteria for permission to have a child. I mean, who in the end would decide? Who would design the test? The government?

And also.. it's entirely possible to lie. Potential adoptive parents are required to "pass" homestudies and various personality tests. My husband is an LSW who plans adoptions for abused or special needs children. You wouldn't believe the number of families who put up the best front until a few disruptions happen and they decide the poor kid is too much trouble. One family actually dumped a kid and all his belongings in front of the office.

I'm all for mandatory parenting classes in high school. The trouble starts when you realize how many different childrearing opinions there actually are, you know?

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/20/2007 6:42:39 AM   
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I totaly disagree. While I respect your right to have your opinion, I am glad it is just that- an opinion.
We already have too many laws as it is, and having a child is a natural RIGHT, not a privilage. If you want to license parents, then you have to control all reproduction. Who choses who can have kids then? Do you want to be first in line for a mandatory contraceptive shot? What if a woman fails all the high school parenting classes and tests, do we then remove her womb so that it will not per chance add to the over-burdened foster system?? Such thinking is just ripe with problems and it would regulate our bodies far more than even Orwell could have concieved. And do not jump the gun and say it's impossible- just look at the recent ruling by the Supreme Court, which deems to be filled with men who know better than doctors what to do with a pregnant woman. Sure, there are bad parents out there, and there always will be, no matter how many hoops you have people go through. You forget that you work with a small percentage of the population, and you seem to forget about the much greater amount of loving parents who provide wonderful homes to their kids, all 6+ billion of them.

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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/20/2007 7:31:27 AM   
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It saddens me to read about things like this happening.  In  previous job I worked with vunerable adults (vunerable through mental health or drug use or disability).  I found it so upsetting to walk into someones house who would sit in front of their young u.m's and smoke smack off foil!!!  I understand that the addiction reaaly is so powerful that the person taking it just doesnt see its wrong , but the worry about how the child will be affected in the long run disturbed me greatly.  And the lack of intervention by relevent services is maddening.

I would be mortified if I knew that I had got into such a state that my u.m thought it was normal to be around drugs like that.
I dont think making people have a liscense to have children is the answer.  We used to have to have a liscense to have dogs and people still abused them. 


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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/20/2007 8:11:45 AM   
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i don't need a certificate and/or license to prove i'm fit to be a mother/parent/guardian for my 2 nor would i apply for one if it came to that day.  i don't particularly like to see more bureaucratic red tape overstepping its bounds as it tries to seize control ...especially with an idea like this.


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RE: Show-and-Tell - 4/20/2007 9:53:44 AM   
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Well like I said, I know ot would never fly. But as far as tests go, the sytem wouldn't be perfect, and definite settling on a happy medium would have to occur. It was a wild hair - I just get so angered by what I see, sometimes. I can't imagine someone having a kid, and treating them like less than an animal.

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