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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/15/2007 5:37:58 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/15/2007 6:38:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		LA:  No kidding.  I can relate to that.  There were some pretty amazing things that came out of this last encounter with pain.  I would do it all over again just for that.  Damn, I love that man!! 

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/15/2007 6:45:27 PM   
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On a seperate note, he doesn't derive his pleasure from inflicting pain itself.  His pleasure comes from the submission displayed when I take it and don't turn away from it, as much as it hurts, as much as I hate it, as much as I want to recoil and run away from it.  When as much as I want to scream out to him to stoppppppp...I don't, and instead, bite my lip, pound the carpet, kick my legs out, and do whatever it takes to stay in place for another whack.  Ugh. Usually I can hang in there.....and sometimes...well, not so good, lol.  But that's why he won't tie me in place before a whipping, and will order me to stay in place on my own, instead.

-ownedgirlie


I think what you wrote best describes my relationship to pain.  I don't so much love the pain - I love submitting to the pain when administered by someone who is dominating me.   It's the physical expression of their power to do this to me that is the real turn on.  It is, for a brief period of time, being at the mercy of someone else and enduring pain for no other reason than that they will it. 

I hope I never learn to love the pain because that would lessen the joy I take in submitting to it.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/15/2007 6:55:51 PM   
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On a seperate note, he doesn't derive his pleasure from inflicting pain itself.  His pleasure comes from the submission displayed when I take it and don't turn away from it, as much as it hurts, as much as I hate it, as much as I want to recoil and run away from it.  When as much as I want to scream out to him to stoppppppp...I don't, and instead, bite my lip, pound the carpet, kick my legs out, and do whatever it takes to stay in place for another whack.  Ugh. Usually I can hang in there.....and sometimes...well, not so good, lol.  But that's why he won't tie me in place before a whipping, and will order me to stay in place on my own, instead.



my Sir is like that, and it makes me feel the same way as you.. when it gets hard to take, i take it for Him.  I don't know that i'll ever learn to love pain, but i'm coming to deal with it.  my Sir is the only to have given me a flogging worth counting.. and even at that He has held back immensely.  i've learned to breath through the stingy's.. especially when He warns me it's coming.  The last time He flogged me, i actually began to slip into subspace. i don't think He knows that though, we haven't taken the opportunity to discuss it.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/15/2007 8:01:38 PM   
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I hated pain when i first became Master's slave but over time i have learned to crave pain from Him. I think it has more to do with the need to serve and please then just wanting pain. I dont like , want or crave pain from anyone else.


Funny, I crave it from Master and yet I still hate it when I receive it!  As it's occurring, all I want is for it to stop.  And when it stops, I want more.  What the heck is up with that, I wonder...

On a seperate note, he doesn't derive his pleasure from inflicting pain itself.  His pleasure comes from the submission displayed when I take it and don't turn away from it, as much as it hurts, as much as I hate it, as much as I want to recoil and run away from it.  When as much as I want to scream out to him to stoppppppp...I don't, and instead, bite my lip, pound the carpet, kick my legs out, and do whatever it takes to stay in place for another whack.  Ugh. Usually I can hang in there.....and sometimes...well, not so good, lol.  But that's why he won't tie me in place before a whipping, and will order me to stay in place on my own, instead.

As for learning to love pain?  Well, three years into this with him and I'm still trying to figure that one out! 


* smiles*  That is exactly how i feel, just didnt write it all because i didnt think anyone would understand ...  i should have know you would, ownedgirlie....
I crave the pain until i get it  then i want it to stop as soon as it  stops i want more. I bang my fist,  shake my head , curl my toes, pull  my own hair but try to never move butt/ back or what ever he is spanking at that moment... Because it is so important for me to take whatever he gives me. Master rarely ties  me either. i think he like the struggle he see inside me to stay still.

I have noticed that  when i close my fist i can take less. If i open my hands it is almost like the  pain flows though me ... Anyone eles ever had this experience?

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 2:47:04 AM   
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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 4:56:11 AM   
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I've often said I didn't like pain and, in actuality, I don't.  It's never been something that was of interest to me, but I keep hearing over and over from various people that it's sooooooo wonderful when you're in the right mindset.  Personally, I can't say that I'd never become a masochist, simply because my body has not been pushed to such limits.  I can't say that I'll never get into any type of pain play, because for starters, I've never done pain play, and secondly, I don't know how much I can take.  *shrugs*

I've actually even thought of hypnotism...in finding the eroticism and pleasure in pain.  But...um...I haven't actually found anyone to talk to about that sort of thing. 

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 5:29:08 AM   
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Funny, I crave it from Master and yet I still hate it when I receive it!  As it's occurring, all I want is for it to stop.  And when it stops, I want more.  What the heck is up with that, I wonder...

On a seperate note, he doesn't derive his pleasure from inflicting pain itself.  His pleasure comes from the submission displayed when I take it and don't turn away from it, as much as it hurts, as much as I hate it, as much as I want to recoil and run away from it.  When as much as I want to scream out to him to stoppppppp...I don't, and instead, bite my lip, pound the carpet, kick my legs out, and do whatever it takes to stay in place for another whack.  Ugh. Usually I can hang in there.....and sometimes...well, not so good, lol.  But that's why he won't tie me in place before a whipping, and will order me to stay in place on my own, instead.

As for learning to love pain?  Well, three years into this with him and I'm still trying to figure that one out! 


i'm with you too.  i havent figured it out either.  i find biting on wood helps alot.  On top of that, it literally makes me wet - always has, even from the first introduction to it.  Still dont get that either.  How can my body enjoy it (and show signs of enjoying it) while i hate...... and when it stops....... i want more?  Tickles Master pink.  Doh


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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 6:41:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

On a seperate note, he doesn't derive his pleasure from inflicting pain itself.  His pleasure comes from the submission displayed when I take it and don't turn away from it, as much as it hurts, as much as I hate it, as much as I want to recoil and run away from it.  When as much as I want to scream out to him to stoppppppp...I don't, and instead, bite my lip, pound the carpet, kick my legs out, and do whatever it takes to stay in place for another whack.  Ugh. Usually I can hang in there.....and sometimes...well, not so good, lol.  But that's why he won't tie me in place before a whipping, and will order me to stay in place on my own, instead.


I read this to Daddy saying that it sounded like him, that my willingness to be still and accept the pain -- despite the fact that I hate it -- seems to be almost or as much a turn on for him as inflicting the pain itself. His response?

"You get me. I like that."

There are types of pain I like: primarily thud with a bit of face or pussy slapping thrown in for good measure. Daddy enjoys delivering sting -- in part because there are more toys for it -- play piercing, knife play, hair pulling, pinching, nerve play, etc. He enjoys seeing that someone is in discomfort, but is making an exception in that they'll take it for him. I don't like them, but I like pleasing him. What he's asked of me generally isn't unbearable. Painful, annoying, embarassing, challenging ... yeah, but rarely impossible for me to take.

As I explore more, I've learned that there are types of pain that I do like. For instance, I wouldn't have thought I could get into face slapping before watching some porn with my Daddy ... and I actually brought it up. And ... it smarts and comes as a surprise when it happens, but I like it. I feel more like his little slut. There are certain forms of breast play that I adore, but that kinda smart. And so on.

However, I still don't like sting or even a medium chomping. I take it, but I'm not happy about it. Maybe someday I'll learn to like it simply through repetition, but I think we'd have to figure out a way to have my endorphins come in much earlier than they do at present.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 8:42:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		i believe i had masochistic tendencies and that my masochism grew and flourished under a great sadist, not until he was in my life did i understand what masochism was all about.
either you are or you are not, is my thinking, if its there and with the right conditions, it can be brought out from within and before the 'i dont do pain' chants, one is transformed into 'give me more', if its not there then no amount of persuasion is going to get that sub believing he/she will learn to enjoy what pain can bring.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 8:46:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Or, as I often like to say, "I love everything about pain play except the pain part."


smiles, im of the same belief.
people often call me a pain slut and i correct them too, im a masochist not a pain slut, they both are two different things in my mind.

pain slut = loves pain for pain sake.

masochist = loves what the pain does to the body, mind and soul and gets off from the effects her pain is having on the sadist, loves to feel the effects of the pain the days after pain was administered.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 9:15:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Although I've always had a high pain tolerance (two drug-free natural childbirths), I am not hard-wired for it and don't like it.

BUT

When administered by someone who knows how to build it up, my endorphins explode and I fly off into subspace where all sensations (including very painful ones) feel like hundreds of pleasant little orgasms. And that's just the physical part... as others have stated, there is also the mental/emotional enjoyment of watching His face light up as he gets immense satisfaction and pleasure from his ministrations.

damn... just got myself wet again.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/16/2007 9:25:31 PM   
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I crave pain.  I love the endorphins and the ride, but I also appreciate pain for the sake of pain.  I rather like not taking the ride and suffering with it lately.  It's far more interesting to me to be in my body, feeling it trying to make sense of things, and thoroughly enjoying what my suffering is doing for him.  He picks what he wants, whether it be a flight or torment, and I oblige.  I can get off from a complete stranger massaging out a bad knot in my back.  I guess it's a good thing that he takes care of those knots now.

I was taught to fly by a surgeon at the Shriner's Hospitals when I was a teenager.  He had some chronic physical problems as well and taught me to fly using meditation.  A couple of years later it had become so automatic for me that I could hardly tell him where the ankle hurt unless I made the outright decision to feel it while in the waiting room so it could wear off.  It's a hard thing to explain, but that surgery at the Shriner's was my introduction to endorphins and my completely irrational response to anything more than tiny amounts of my own blood.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/17/2007 2:07:50 AM   
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I am someone who was turned into a pain slut.  It was a rough-go at first, but once I hit subspace during my first session, I was hooked.  The Dom I was with told me how to process the pain during that session as we were going.  It helped me "ride the sensation" instead of just feeling the fact that there was thick leather beating my ass.


i've asked many times how one "processes pain" and it has ended up being sort of like trying to describe a color to someone who was born blind.  i have never experienced subspace and that you did on your very first session would suggest to me that you might be one of the ones hard-wired to pain but didn't know it.

i do know that often my mind and my body do not agree with each other, that while my mind is saying "stop! that hurts!" i have become aroused without being aware of it.


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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/17/2007 7:10:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: carinastarr
masochist = loves what the pain does to the body, mind and soul and gets off from the effects her pain is having on the sadist, loves to feel the effects of the pain the days after pain was administered.

I guess that's some of what happens to me, but for me it's really that I'd prefer never to experience pain ever.  Give me a choice and I'll take the non pain choice every time.  I can get those same effects withOUT the downsides of the pain. 

But, given pain, I can enjoy all the other levels of submission/endurance/pleasing another, at least when I'm not screaming and begging for it to stop hurting.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/17/2007 10:00:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: carinastarr

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Or, as I often like to say, "I love everything about pain play except the pain part."


smiles, im of the same belief.
people often call me a pain slut and i correct them too, im a masochist not a pain slut, they both are two different things in my mind.

pain slut = loves pain for pain sake.

masochist = loves what the pain does to the body, mind and soul and gets off from the effects her pain is having on the sadist, loves to feel the effects of the pain the days after pain was administered.



hmmm very interesting.

i'd define a painslut as one who gets off/gets aroused by the pain itself, and a masochist as one who craves pain, whatever the reason. i consider myself to be a weird kind of masochist in that i crave pain, both physical and emotional, but i do not experience any pleasure or arousal from it. quite the opposite. i just need to suffer, for the sake of suffering itself, and pain is one way to have that need fulfilled.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/17/2007 10:07:26 AM   
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Now that begs me to ask
can you be both ??
At times I crave Pain because I need to suffer for sake of suffering because it has a cleaning effect on me but then again at times I just want to get aroused and get off on the pain....  kinda like one is to cleanse myself and the other is pure sexuall ???
Does that make even sense here ??

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/17/2007 10:09:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HarleyKitty69
ok
Now that begs me to ask
can you be both ??
At times I crave Pain because I need to suffer for sake of suffering because it has a cleaning effect on me but then again at times I just want to get aroused and get off on the pain....  kinda like one is to cleanse myself and the other is pure sexuall ???
Does that make even sense here ??

Oh yes, of course.  We're quite complex creatures.   Masochist is more an overall term for how one desires and processes pain.  Like all labels they should not be considered to be the full and total description of the person.

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/17/2007 10:20:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank You LuckyAlbatross for your answer
for a split moment I thought I was the exception to the rule again....

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RE: Learning to love pain? - 4/17/2007 11:35:08 AM   
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