undergroundsea
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I find the act of submission to be intrinsically humiliation....I also find that to be a huge turn on
I agree that submission itself has potential for humiliation. While it may not feel humiliating, it is what I consider D/s humiliation (versus SM humiliation). I think an act that carries D/s humiliation (no true feelings of humiliation but a willing expression of roles) can easily become SM humiliation (emotional perturbance) if you imagine the same act before a stranger or a rival.
I see multiple reasons why race play might appeal to people.
When I was younger, I responded to stories that had female dominance and amongst those stories were historical accounts, or fictional accounts based on history, that placed a woman in a position of power because of her race (a British woman with an Indian servant, a plantation mistress with a slave). At a fantasy level, I wanted to be in that subordinate position before these women. Back then, my only connection with BDSM was fantasies. The more real the fantasies, the more powerful they were. Towards realism, two questions were relevant: (1) why would someone want to treat me in a manner that otherwise goes against social norms, and (2) how could I allow someone to treat me in this manner. To me, a fantasy about race play provides an explanation for each.
So I think one draw is that race play feeds this idea for realism of sorts both for role play and for real race play.
For real race play, I think it is a form of play between two rival groups. Here is a quote from a discussion elsewhere:
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undergroundsea:
I will communicate my point through an analogy. I went to school at Texas. And I have a fantasy of sorts about watching a Texas football game with a group of gals from Texas A&M or OU (each a big rival) where there is not friendship but a sense of rivalry. And losing! (did I really say that? All my college friends are shamed!)
I feel there is a sense of humiliation that stems from a person of one group having to submit to a person of another group on the basis of the respective groups. And I think this humiliation is heightened if the two groups have a sense of rivalry or history of struggle.
To continue with my analogy of college sports, I think a loss to a rival is more humiliating than a loss to an equally strong team who is not a rival, and a victory over a rival is similarly more satisfying. Thus, I think another reason race play can carry appeal is that a power exchange is amplified when there is a rivalry of sorts. I think this point is what the OP describes.
In addition to the humiliation of submitting under the context of rival groups, I think the idea of rival groups, or history of racial rivalry, allow fantasy for unbridled sadism driven by a sense of disdain. It is for this reason I sometimes have a mixed reaction with someone from whom I sense friction or disregard in general--there is a part of me that responds like most people would, and a part of me that responds as a masochist. My pride causes the general response to prevail.
Thus, I think race play is an intense form of a broader type of play--play between rival groups (rival colleges, rival professions, rival military units)--which can bring excitement due to its humiliation value, and its potential to allow a greater flow of sadism. Of course, a power exchange and sadism can be had without a sense of rivalry, which is the norm rather than the exception. However, a sense of rivalry can add a rawness or yet one more dimension to the overall dynamic based on powerful fantasies.
Another reason why people may enjoy race play is to play with cultural trauma. I learned about this aspect of race play from attending seminars Midori did on each race play and humiliation. This approach does not require a sense of rivalry nor role play, but involves playing with racial matters that are sensitive and arouse emotion, and are based on cultural trauma.
Cheers,
Sea
< Message edited by undergroundsea -- 4/14/2007 3:26:04 PM >
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