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BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 6:50:37 PM)
THE reason sharpton is so hard after don ..get this sharpton daughter is a member of the team ...smiles...bounty

wfsubseeking1 -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 6:51:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: wfsubseeking1 Well at the minimum he will get suspended for two weeks. As said on CNN though tonight it is kind of ironice that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have come down so hard on this issue since they aren't exactly the paragons of virtue based on their past behavior. seeking lol, no they're not, but they have to say something, that's their schtick. If they let it slide, they look bad in front of their followers. I don't dislike either one, but wouldn't it have be interesting if Imus had started screaming "Tawana Brawley" at the top of his lungs while on Sharpton's show..... lmao Sir You are so wrong [sm=biggrin.gif] seeking

aliveinme -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 6:52:56 PM)
Did Imus say anything worse than what is said in most hip hop or rap music ? Or is it ok to refer to balck women as hos and bitches if your black and say it? i see a double standard!

BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 6:55:08 PM)
NO thanks I never listen to howard when he was free and not wasting my sirius time listening to him now ...bounty

lockedaway -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 6:58:58 PM)
You are absolutely right. Sharpton has no right to talk about anything. Sure, what Imus said was out of line even though it isn't as far afield as the lyrics you might find in a hip hop song. The difference is that there is a double standard for speech. Black America can use any language they want to describe each other and White America cannot. But, can't the same thing be said about any culture using disparaging ethnic words to describe someone of the same culture? The defense is "I'm ***** so I can call him a ***** if I want to." Imus crossed a line, he apologized, he seemed sincerely contrite and the controversy should be over.

MissBabydoll -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 7:12:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Coulter got away with it because no one is surprised she said it, and because she's a writer who mostly makes her money through her books and doing free-lance appearances. So there is no one to punush her for saying it. The government is prohibited from doing anything about it because of the first amendment. That doesn't mean the rest of us can't get in her disgusting racist peckerwood "Christian" face! That's protected by the First Amendment too. She's a licensed anti-jester of the American white upper middle class, speaking not truth to power in jest (as jesters used to do) but power's secret and unspeakable true thoughts. Coulter gets hired to do that stuff by Republican pols because she has deniability--she's there to toss the red meat of bigotry that the politicians can't touch. quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Same with Kramer. He is a free-lance comic that doesn't really work for anyone. So again, no one can go after him. Also the context was different. I think I remember in Kramer's case, it was supposed to be a joke that went bad. And he appologized for it. But I think that makes an important point about how black comedians are allowed to use the n-word but white comedians are not. Look how many times Chris Rock will use that word. It is a double-standard based on race. Isn't that racism in itself? Have you ever actually listened to how Chris Rock uses the word? I doubt it. He did a whole piece a few years back about the difference between "n-----s" and Black people--that "n-----s" were the rude, dishonest, ignorant, loudmouthed trashy minority who messed things up for the decent majority of African Americans. He drew an analogy, as I recall, with rednecks and peckerwoods vs decent European Americans. Rock is a very thoughtful, very political comedian with a mission of enlightenment. I don't always agree with him, but to put him on the same plane with the likes of trash-talking bigots like the Kramer guy or Imus is completely unfair. And no, it's not the same. And that's because--god, it is SO tiring to have to point this out yet again!!!!--racism is NOT just individual prejudice but the ideology of an entire apparatus of white supremacy, still enforced through systematic discrimination and segregation in every aspect of life--housing, education, jobs, justice you name it. Ask ANY black person other than the negro minstrel media whores on F-x "News" and they will tell you that despite the Civil Rights Act--only 43 years old!--it's still going strong. They will tell you all the ways they encounter this system daily in its newer and more insidious semi-legal forms. So no, it is not the same when Chris Rock, or any black person, uses that word, and when a white person uses it. Puhleeeze!

wfsubseeking1 -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 7:17:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway You are absolutely right. Sharpton has no right to talk about anything. Sure, what Imus said was out of line even though it isn't as far afield as the lyrics you might find in a hip hop song. The difference is that there is a double standard for speech. Black America can use any language they want to describe each other and White America cannot. But, can't the same thing be said about any culture using disparaging ethnic words to describe someone of the same culture? The defense is "I'm ***** so I can call him a ***** if I want to." Imus crossed a line, he apologized, he seemed sincerely contrite and the controversy should be over. i understand completely what you are saying. A number of white sportscasters have said similar statements and been fired along with some black sportscasters. i think the bottom line is money. They say that Imus has a huge following and contributes a great deal to the network so from a monetary standpoint he will get his suspension, be grilled over the coals, and still have his job. seeking

wfsubseeking1 -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 7:19:43 PM)
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MissBabydoll -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 7:20:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aliveinme Did Imus say anything worse than what is said in most hip hop or rap music ? Or is it ok to refer to balck women as hos and bitches if your black and say it? i see a double standard! Oh boy, here we go... Racism is justified because some rap is grossly sexist. Can't logic with argue like that! Do you know who buys 3/4 of those records? White boys in the suburbs, that's who. That's a fact. Read Billboard if you don't believe me. Yeah, the sexist trash faux "gangsta" rappers suck ass. As a woman I hate that shit at least as much as you do. But the entire mainstream of hip hop is the way it is--sexist and dumb and violent--significantly because it is now made mainly for young white male audiences wanking to fantasies of "cool" black male violence and sexual super-potency. This insight is far from original with me. Why don't you drop a little knowledge on your self before you sound off with such tired bits of ideological dribble?

Level -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 7:50:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissBabydoll And no, it's not the same. And that's because--god, it is SO tiring to have to point this out yet again!!!!--racism is NOT just individual prejudice but the ideology of an entire apparatus of white supremacy, still enforced through systematic discrimination and segregation in every aspect of life--housing, education, jobs, justice you name it. *Ask ANY black person other than the negro minstrel media whores on F-x "News"* and they will tell you that despite the Civil Rights Act--only 43 years old!--it's still going strong. They will tell you all the ways they encounter this system daily in its newer and more insidious semi-legal forms. So no, it is not the same when Chris Rock, or any black person, uses that word, and when a white person uses it. Puhleeeze! Well, that's enlightened.

Level -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 8:11:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wfsubseeking1 quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: wfsubseeking1 Well at the minimum he will get suspended for two weeks. As said on CNN though tonight it is kind of ironice that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have come down so hard on this issue since they aren't exactly the paragons of virtue based on their past behavior. seeking lol, no they're not, but they have to say something, that's their schtick. If they let it slide, they look bad in front of their followers. I don't dislike either one, but wouldn't it have be interesting if Imus had started screaming "Tawana Brawley" at the top of his lungs while on Sharpton's show..... lmao Sir You are so wrong [sm=biggrin.gif] seeking Yes, I've heard that before [:-]

MissBabydoll -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/9/2007 8:34:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: MissBabydoll And no, it's not the same. And that's because--god, it is SO tiring to have to point this out yet again!!!!--racism is NOT just individual prejudice but the ideology of an entire apparatus of white supremacy, still enforced through systematic discrimination and segregation in every aspect of life--housing, education, jobs, justice you name it. *Ask ANY black person other than the negro minstrel media whores on F-x "News"* and they will tell you that despite the Civil Rights Act--only 43 years old!--it's still going strong. They will tell you all the ways they encounter this system daily in its newer and more insidious semi-legal forms. So no, it is not the same when Chris Rock, or any black person, uses that word, and when a white person uses it. Puhleeeze! Well, that's enlightened. Why did I use those terms? Because there is a long and entirely understandable history of black people accommodating themselves to white society in ways that were--and again, ask someone black if you don't believe me--extremely demeaning. Black people in the entertainment world have found this to be a particularly difficult issue. No doubt you are familiar with the entire "n----- minstrel" tradition, in which white men put on Sambo makeup and performed as grotesque caricatures of black men--but doing versions of dances, like cakewalk and later tap, that were actually created by black people. In other words, in order to appropriate African-American culture, they had to demean it first. This tradition lasted right up into the 1950s. But the weirdest part of the whole thing is that black performers, into the 1930s anyway, had to perform in "blackface" in front of white audiences--Bert Williams, for instance, the great tap artist. That segued into black actors in plays and then in movies doing Sambo routines because that was how they could get work--ever hear of Stepp'n Fetchit? So I used the words I did because those African-American verbal hitmen F-x uses on, say, Obama are there solely to put a black face on white bigotry. They are the faux-news version of Stepp'n Fetchit. They add weight to the whole big pile of ideology and stereotype and conventional wisdom and just plain lies that Ishmael Reed calls "black pathology entertainment." I can call those people puppets, if you want a milder expression.

Level -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/10/2007 3:01:39 AM)
I certainly realize there people today that fit what you've described: whites using blacks to justify their own bigotry, blacks using whites, or conservatism in particular, to further their careers, and many shades of gray where people's motives aren't entirely pure. I'm also equally sure that there are men and women of many ethnic backgrounds that work for Fox, or are fans of Fox, that have genuine convictions, that believe in conservative ideas, and that would dismayed into being lumped into the world of Step'n Fetchit, and Uncle Tom.

MissBabydoll -> RE: Don Imus diagnosed with footinmouth disease (4/12/2007 6:15:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level I certainly realize there people today that fit what you've described: whites using blacks to justify their own bigotry, blacks using whites, or conservatism in particular, to further their careers, and many shades of gray where people's motives aren't entirely pure. I'm also equally sure that there are men and women of many ethnic backgrounds that work for Fox, or are fans of Fox, that have genuine convictions, that believe in conservative ideas, and that would dismayed into being lumped into the world of Step'n Fetchit, and Uncle Tom. There may be. There were sincere Nazis too, who were not especially hateful toward Jews but who thought that getting rid of us was a necessary step to rebuilding the Fatherland. Every evil cause has decent people working for it or believing in it. But look at the overall attitude Fox projects toward black people. Look at the lies they tell, their constant distortions and smear tactics. Look at what they tried to do to Obama--not the silly Roger Ailes Osama joke thing, the smear that he attended a "radical Islamist madrassa" in Indonesia as a child, and now the smear that the Christian church he attends is "segregationist" and "black nationalist." I recommend viewing the two YouTube vids "Fox Attacks Obama" and "Fox Attacks Black America" as well as the full-length documentary "Outfoxed" (available from Netflix). Fox is a propaganda arm of the GOP right--nothing more, nothing less. As such it is hostile to the rights of minorities and women and all ordinary working people, and a champion of the unfettered power of corporations, using the Christian right the way German bankers and industrialists used the Nazis during the 1930s. When you see what these black minstrels of Fox racism have to say, you will understand my reaction better. One more recommendation: the recent work of Chris Hedges, Harvard Divinity grad turned investigative reporter and scourge of the fundies. You can find him on AlterNet or in bookstores with his new book American Fascism. That kinky people can support today's protofascist, gynophobic, homophobic, xenophobic, and deeply racist GOP is even more amazing to me than that queers can--and I am both queer and kinky. No tolerance for the enemies of tolerance!

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