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How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to Use S... - 4/7/2007 10:25:03 AM   
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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/7/2007 10:51:15 AM   
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yep!

quick story for you.

i had palpitations and high blood pressure.  i felt horrible all the time.  i went to the doctor and over time spent close to 10,000 bucks as they "guessed" at what kind of drug to give me.

Well i finally decided to take things into my own hands and started doing research on herbals.   I started taking herbals at therapeudic doses and magically my palpitations when away!   i then started to remove them one by one in an attempt to fiugure out which one it was that made me better. 

So after thousands of bucks thrown away, what do you think solved the problem?

Fucking magnesium!   i have a magnesium uptake problem where i do not absorb it properly and need higher doses to get the same amount in my system than the average person.

MAgnesium can be bought right now if you have good sources for $3.00, that is three dollars per kilo which is 2.2 pounds.   i kilo of magnesium lasts me about 6 years at the dose i need to take it!

So that is about 50 cents per year to treat myself for this problem as compared to 10000 over mayb 3+ years of treatments.

just another example of corporate fascism fucking over the people of this country.

Likewise is with cholestersterol, study it, one of the biggest scams on this planet, and there are natural herbs that work "BETTER" than any drugs on the market today!!!

Think about it folks!   Do you want to depend on those who would rape your wallet and not cure you but only put a bandaid on it to keep you coming back and paying more?  

To the OP this is an excellent doc btw

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/7/2007 1:18:44 PM   
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what gets me is all the pill commercials. "dpes you toe isch? ask your dr if xyz pill is right for u"

so there u are w one of a stockpile of meds. the toe pill the newest.

bing. now u are a "druggie."

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/7/2007 1:48:41 PM   
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Valuable thread, Renegade, thanks for posting it. Like Real One, I had high blood pressure, and was put on a drug that costs $25 a month (that's with good insurance), but not only did it lower my blood pressure, it raised my blood sugar about 10 points. I did some studying, and began using cost effective magnesium supplements, and got off the scrip. My blood pressure at the doctor's office last week was 126/70, and my wallet had more money in it.

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/7/2007 4:56:58 PM   
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Valuable thread, Renegade, thanks for posting it. Like Real One, I had high blood pressure, and was put on a drug that costs $25 a month (that's with good insurance), but not only did it lower my blood pressure, it raised my blood sugar about 10 points. I did some studying, and began using cost effective magnesium supplements, and got off the scrip. My blood pressure at the doctor's office last week was 126/70, and my wallet had more money in it.



Yeh that sort of explains why i had a craving for salt...  its electrolytes in general.  i found that taking 1 lousy potassium tab, 99mg elemental every couple days helps even moreso...  

If they take self medicatrion completely away i will be out of here if i cannot get it at all...

btw the doc that treated me was so impressed with my getting off the script she is now a naturalist in addition to a doc.  LOL   So some good came out of it.


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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 10:11:39 AM   
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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 10:13:51 AM   
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Valuable thread, Renegade, thanks for posting it. Like Real One, I had high blood pressure, and was put on a drug that costs $25 a month (that's with good insurance), but not only did it lower my blood pressure, it raised my blood sugar about 10 points. I did some studying, and began using cost effective magnesium supplements, and got off the scrip. My blood pressure at the doctor's office last week was 126/70, and my wallet had more money in it.



Yeh that sort of explains why i had a craving for salt...  its electrolytes in general.  i found that taking 1 lousy potassium tab, 99mg elemental every couple days helps even moreso...  

If they take self medicatrion completely away i will be out of here if i cannot get it at all...

btw the doc that treated me was so impressed with my getting off the script she is now a naturalist in addition to a doc.  LOL   So some good came out of it.



lol, I love it; just goes to show even doctors can learn something new

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 1:16:51 PM   
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80% of all disease is caused by malnutrition (my supposition)

Malnutrition WILL cause a disease (absolute fact)

Am I full of shit, has my last ten years of research been in vain ?

Show any interest and will mirror a long gone site in Austrailia in my FTP. I practically stole a part of a book, but if they were still around I would gladly pay for it.

Magnesium is but one of the 70 minerals that must exist in our food for us to thrive. I was lucky to get organic sea salt for about $5 a pound. I bought 50 pounds of it.

Now my chipped front tooth (shovel accident when I was a kid) has capped itself. I am 46 and do not have one single gray hair except in my beard. I walk outside barefoot in 0 degree weather. And I can kill someone within milliseconds with my bare hands.

You still want to shop at GNC ?

I am not going to harp on it, either you listen or you don't, minerals are THE MOST IMPORTANT THING for your body. Express one iota of interest and I will be happy to deluge you with my files.

Now all the armchair logistitians get your seat belt on. I DID NOT say that all disease is caused by mineral deficiencies, I said if you have a prolonged mineral deficiency, you WILL get a disease. Of that there is no question.

This is by no means the entire section on magnesium, but I'll throw this in. For the entire thing, contact me.
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Magnesium
 
Magnesium is one of the most abundant minerals in soft tissue. The average adult body contains about 20 to 28 g of magnesium with about 60 per cent of this present in the bones, and the rest in the muscle, soft tissue and body fluids. Magnesium is found in high concentrations inside cells, particularly those of the brain and heart. Research into the role of magnesium is increasing in clinical importance as growing evidence suggests that magnesium deficiency may play a role in a number of disorders.

What it does in the body

Metabolism

Magnesium is a co-factor in over 300 enzyme reactions, particularly those involving the metabolism of food components and the formation of new compounds essential for good health. All enzymatic reactions requiring the energy storage molecule, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), require magnesium. It is also needed for protein synthesis, DNA manufacture, fatty acid synthesis, anaerobic breakdown of glucose; and the removal of toxic substances, such as ammonia, from the body.

Bone

Magnesium is vital for healthy bone structure.

Interaction with calcium

Calcium interacts with magnesium in many body processes, such as the regulation of blood vessel tone and contraction of muscles, including heart muscle. Calcium stimulates muscles and contracts blood vessels, while magnesium relaxes muscles and dilates blood vessels. Magnesium can contribute to calcium balance by affecting the hormones which control calcium absorption and metabolism, and also influences calcium at the cellular level by interacting with calcium transport mechanisms.

Ion transport

Magnesium is involved in the maintenance of the membrane electric potential and the transport across membranes of sodium, potassium and calcium. Magnesium is involved in nerve impulse transmission.

Hormone action

Magnesium is necessary for the action of a compound which plays a vital role in transmitting messages from hormones and other stimuli which cause chemical reactions inside cells. Magnesium also enhances insulin secretion, and helps it to move into cells, thus facilitating sugar metabolism.

Absorption and metabolism

Magnesium is mostly absorbed in the small intestine. In a normal person, around 50 per cent of dietary magnesium taken is absorbed. However, this depends on the concentration in the diet, with a lower percentage absorbed from a high magnesium diet. Magnesium absorption requires an acidic stomach environment. Absorption is reduced by laxative abuse, infections and allergies.

Foods low in protein or high in phosphorus can reduce magnesium absorption.

Oxalates, which are found in some green vegetables and phytates which are found in some grains, may form insoluble complexes with magnesium and prevent it from being absorbed. However, these foods are often high in magnesium which may compensate for the reduced absorption. Vitamin D promotes magnesium absorption. Some reports have suggested that magnesium and calcium compete for absorption but recent studies suggest that calcium does not affect magnesium absorption.1819
 
The kidney is the main regulator of blood concentration and total body content of magnesium. Excretion mainly occurs at night. High protein and high sugar diets may increase magnesium excretion.

Deficiency

Magnesium deficiency affects all body tissues. Symptoms of severe deficiency, which is rare, include irritability, personality changes, anorexia, weakness, tiredness, vertigo, convulsions, nervousness, muscle cramps and tremors, tongue jerks and tremors, involuntary eye movements, unsteady gait, irregular heartbeat, palpitations, low blood sugar and sustained muscle contraction. Loss of hair, swollen gums, and damage to the arteries resembling atherosclerosis are symptoms of advanced deficiency. Magnesium deficiency leads to low blood calcium levels.

Deficiency can occur due to malnutrition, surgery, serious burns, kidney disease, pancreatic inflammation, liver disease, absorption disorders, diabetes, hormonal disorders, cancer, heavy exercise and pregnancy. A high dietary intake of phosphate, calcium, vitamin D and saturated fats may also lead to deficiency. Alcoholics and those taking diuretics are particularly at risk as these drugs both cause large urinary magnesium losses.

Marginal magnesium deficiency is considered to be very common and may affect 15 to 20 per cent of the population. It is common in those who eat diets high in processed foods, alcoholics, and in those with malabsorption problems.

Elderly people

Magnesium deficiency is especially prevalent in elderly people. This is due to low dietary intakes and also to the decreases in absorption and increases in excretion associated with aging.

Cardiovascular disease

Inadequate magnesium intake has been linked to several types of cardiovascular disease, including atherosclerosis, heart attack, angina, ischemic heart disease and cardiac arrhythmias. Epidemiological studies show that death rates from coronary heart disease are higher in areas where the water is low in magnesium. In a 1996 study, Swedish researchers investigated these links in 17 municipalities in the southern part of the country which had differing water magnesium concentrations. The study included 854 men who had died of heart attacks between the ages of 50 and 69, and 989 men of the same age in the same area who had died from cancer during the same time period. The results showed that men living in high magnesium water areas had a 35 per cent lower chance of death from heart attack than those who drank low magnesium water.2829 The results of a 1997 study done in Taiwan suggest that magnesium in drinking water helps to prevent death from cerebrovascular disease.3031
 
Results from the Atherosclerosis Risk in Communities (ARIC) Study support the association between low serum and dietary magnesium, and various types of cardiovascular disease including high blood pressure. A total of 15 248 people took part, male and female, black and white, aged 45 to 64 years. The results showed that serum magnesium levels were significantly lower in participants with cardiovascular disease, high blood pressure, and diabetes than in those free of these diseases. Low dietary intake was linked to lower beneficial HDL cholesterol levels and thicker carotid artery walls, both of which increase the risk of cardiovascular disease.3435
 
Researchers involved in a 1996 study done in Wales found a trend towards protection from ischemic heart disease in men with high magnesium intakes. However, when other factors were taken into account, the results did not appear to be significant.38
39 Magnesium deficiency is also linked to variant angina, a disorder in which coronary heart vessels go into spasm.4041 A 1996 Japanese study found that men with lower magnesium levels had more frequent and severe angina attacks.4243 Magnesium-deficient heart muscle is more vulnerable to lack of oxygen.

Magnesium deficiency may increase the risk of cardiovascular disease in several ways. Chronic magnesium deficiency in animals has been shown to result in microscopic changes in the heart arteries and the development of atherosclerosis. Deficiency also leads to changes in the heart muscle itself, including cell degeneration, fibrosis, necrosis and calcification. Blood fat levels are also affected by magnesium dietary intake. Cholesterol may be more susceptible to oxidative damage when magnesium levels are low. Some of the harmful effects of magnesium deficiency may be due to the products of increased fat oxidation.

Magnesium deficiency also contributes to cardiac arrhythmias, possibly because magnesium is responsible for maintaining potassium concentrations inside muscle cells. Potassium plays a role in heart muscle contraction. Magnesium deficiency has been implicated in mitral valve prolapse, a disorder in which the mitral valve in the heart fails to properly close off the heart chambers from each other during contraction. As many as 85 per cent of sufferers may have chronic magnesium deficiency.

High blood pressure

Results from the ARIC study mentioned above showed that low dietary intakes of magnesium are linked to higher diastolic and systolic blood pressures, possibly due to a reduction in the relaxing effect on blood vessels and by indirect effects on potassium balance. Studies suggest that around 30 per cent of high blood pressure sufferers consume inadequate amounts of magnesium and high blood pressure is more common in areas where the water is low in magnesium.

The Honolulu Heart Study, which looked at the relationship between dietary magnesium intake and blood pressure, found that those in the high intake group had, on average, systolic blood pressures 6.4 mmHg lower and diastolic pressures 3.1 mmHg lower than those in the low intake group.4647 In another survey of over 58 000 women, researchers found that those with magnesium intakes of less than 200 mg per day had a significantly higher risk of developing high blood pressure than women whose intakes were over 300 mg per day.4849 In another study published in 1992, researchers also found that low dietary intakes of magnesium were linked to an increased risk of high blood pressure in over 30 000 men.5051
 
Diabetes

Magnesium deficiency results in impaired insulin secretion and reduces tissue sensitivity to insulin. Sub-clinical magnesium deficiency is common in diabetes and occurs because of insufficient magnesium intakes and increased magnesium losses, particularly in the urine. In Type II, or non-insulin-dependent, diabetes mellitus, magnesium deficiency seems to be associated with insulin resistance. It may also be involved in the development of diabetes complications and may contribute to the increased risk of sudden death associated with diabetes. Some studies suggest that magnesium deficiency may play a role in spontaneous abortion and birth defects in diabetic women.

Results from the ARIC study suggest that serum magnesium levels are low in those suffering from diabetes and that intake is related to insulin levels. Magnesium plays a role in the insulin-mediated uptake of glucose into cells, and deficiency may worsen control of diabetes.56
57 Low blood magnesium levels are commonly associated with many complications of diabetes, including heart disease and high blood pressure.

According to research presented at the 1997 annual meeting of the American Diabetes Association, low magnesium levels predict Type II diabetes in whites. Researchers from Johns Hopkins University Medical School examined blood levels of magnesium in over 12 000 nondiabetic, middle-aged African American and white subjects and monitored them for six years. No relationship was found between magnesium levels and diabetes in African Americans, but a relationship was seen in whites.

Osteoporosis

Magnesium is vital for normal bone function and deficiency may contribute to osteoporosis. In a 1995 study, results showed that women whose dietary intakes were less than 187 mg per day had a lower bone mineral density than women whose average intakes were more than 187 mg.12
 
Magnesium is essential for the normal function of the parathyroid glands, metabolism of vitamin D, and adequate sensitivity of bone to parathyroid hormone and vitamin D. Magnesium deficiency may impair vitamin D metabolism which adversely affects bone-building.13 Magnesium deficiency is also known to cause resistance to parathyroid hormone action which affects calcium balance and may cause abnormal bone formation.6667 However, magnesium excess inhibits parathyroid hormone secretion which means that bone metabolism is impaired under positive as well as under negative magnesium balance.15 Maintaining normal calcium-to-magnesium balance is very important in the prevention of osteoporosis.

Migraine

Magnesium metabolism appears to be altered in some migraine sufferers and deficiency may contribute to symptoms through effects on neurotransmitters and blood vessels, and muscles in the head and neck.7273
 
Premenstrual syndrome

Red blood cell concentrations of magnesium appear to be low in women with premenstrual syndrome. The calcium to magnesium ratio also seems to be affected by hormonal fluctuations which may affect neurotransmitter levels and lead to premenstrual symptoms.78
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Asthma

Epidemiological evidence suggests that a low intake of magnesium is associated with impaired lung function, bronchial hyperreactivity and wheezing.

Kidney stones

Magnesium deficiency leads to kidney stones in animal studies. Magnesium inhibits the precipitation of calcium phosphate and calcium oxalate, two substances which contribute to the formation of kidney stones.


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That is but a small excerpt. I have alot more, and those little numbers correspond to numbers in a compendium after each section (there are like 20) that refer to specific studies and their results at major universities and research facilities around the world.

I have offered before, and I dare anyone to try to come up with better information then I have. When I think of the value of the information I have obtained off the web I want to hug and kiss my PC. This is so valuable, and has changed my life for the better immeasurably. Care to compare notes ? Nutritionalists (now known as nutritionists), doctors ? Let's have at it.

Y'know, I am not going to get figures on this, nor provide links, I believe it and you check it out yourself. Doctors do not live longer than anyone else, in fact a bit less. Why ?

Ask yourself that question and see if you might want to see what I have in my FTP.

I gotta get over to the humor section. Pa "I'm sick", Ma "We can't go to Dr X, he died". Pa "I ain't goin to him anymore, are there any doctors alive ?".

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 1:17:38 PM   
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Wen we've been to the doctors in the US I get the impression that ensuring they get a good profit off you by losts of tests etc seems to be part of the job description....am I being synical, or is this how others see it?

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 1:28:45 PM   
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Wen we've been to the doctors in the US I get the impression that ensuring they get a good profit off you by losts of tests etc seems to be part of the job description....am I being synical, or is this how others see it?

I have to agree you're not being synical. It took me 6 diffrent doctors over a 15 year time to finnaly get one who honestly works with me on things. When I lost my insurance, we sat for half an hour going over various genaric equlivents. Talking about the diffrences and diffrent expecitations from each. Till finally we were able to get me on 1 less medicine and the remaining are all now on the $4 list at Wal-Mart and Targer. So I ended up going from $225 a month down to less then $16.

That ended up being a wake-up call to all my friends and family who are on medicines. They are all now really starting to investigate the meds they are on and forcing thier doctors (most of which basicaly refuse to listen to the patiens concerns) to change the medicines. Many have had thier meds changed to older meds instead of the "latest version" what ever company is currently pimping.

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 2:52:26 PM   
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Wen we've been to the doctors in the US I get the impression that ensuring they get a good profit off you by losts of tests etc seems to be part of the job description....am I being synical, or is this how others see it?

I have to agree you're not being synical. It took me 6 diffrent doctors over a 15 year time to finnaly get one who honestly works with me on things. When I lost my insurance, we sat for half an hour going over various genaric equlivents. Talking about the diffrences and diffrent expecitations from each. Till finally we were able to get me on 1 less medicine and the remaining are all now on the $4 list at Wal-Mart and Targer. So I ended up going from $225 a month down to less then $16.

That ended up being a wake-up call to all my friends and family who are on medicines. They are all now really starting to investigate the meds they are on and forcing thier doctors (most of which basicaly refuse to listen to the patiens concerns) to change the medicines. Many have had thier meds changed to older meds instead of the "latest version" what ever company is currently pimping.


when the doc perscribes something to me now days i look it up on the net first and i tell them up front i will not take anything until i can look it up myslef.  i give them the opportunity to tell me why they chose that specific one versus others,


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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 3:19:07 PM   
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Real, you just dropped down a notch. You let one of these suits tell you what to put into your body ?

I have not ever had a physical exam, ever, except possibly as an infant.

I wouldn't even let them do one when I got shot in the face. When I walked out, I walked out. In fact I jumped off the gurney (with 5 broken ribs) and walked into the hospital, and I said "I am walking into this motherfucker and I am going to walk out". Had they fucked with me at the time, literraly I would make a phone call and lay waste to the place. I think they knew what I meant. And I think the fact that I had that much balls as badly hurt as I was, they didn't want to fuck with me.

See the bullet had gotten deflected downward. I was shot by a .38 about ¾" under my left eye. It grazed a nerve and I could not open my mouth over about an inch for a long time. Stoller, one of the best ENTs at he time told me leave it alone, anything they try to do will probably make it worse, and now I am fully functional and healed.

And the first thing I said as I walked in the door was "I don't want any pain killers or sedatives", the reason became apparent soon. I was bleeding down into my lungs. They tried to force me down and I threw two guys about halfway across the room, then they got four guys. They tried to tie me down. As much as I might enjoy that, this was not the time.

About in time I said a few words to the doctor and he called them off. I was not uncooperative, just couldn't lay down right now. Overnight the bleeding stopped and then I could be Xrayed and all that, but they really didn't do anything. I could have recovered at home, for a few grand less.

Yes folks, I am one of the old people. Even though I am only 46, I am made out of something different than your modern yuppies. C'mon. even if you ain't a yuppie you think you are right ?

Well I know what I am.

I am a knuckle dragging barefoot walking out in the snow 46 year old with the body of a 20 year old and a 160 IQ. I can drink a case of beer and drive across country, or even fly a plane (but not quite yet) I am an expert in engineering, electronics, and a few other things, and I AM TELLING YOU TO VOTE FOR Ron Paul.

You have free will, but check the guy out, REALLY. Isn't government what the OP was all about ?

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 5:30:47 PM   
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yep!

quick story for you.

i had palpitations and high blood pressure.  i felt horrible all the time.  i went to the doctor and over time spent close to 10,000 bucks as they "guessed" at what kind of drug to give me.

Well i finally decided to take things into my own hands and started doing research on herbals.   I started taking herbals at therapeudic doses and magically my palpitations when away!   i then started to remove them one by one in an attempt to fiugure out which one it was that made me better. 

So after thousands of bucks thrown away, what do you think solved the problem?

Fucking magnesium!   i have a magnesium uptake problem where i do not absorb it properly and need higher doses to get the same amount in my system than the average person.

MAgnesium can be bought right now if you have good sources for $3.00, that is three dollars per kilo which is 2.2 pounds.   i kilo of magnesium lasts me about 6 years at the dose i need to take it!

So that is about 50 cents per year to treat myself for this problem as compared to 10000 over mayb 3+ years of treatments.

just another example of corporate fascism fucking over the people of this country.

Likewise is with cholestersterol, study it, one of the biggest scams on this planet, and there are natural herbs that work "BETTER" than any drugs on the market today!!!

Think about it folks!   Do you want to depend on those who would rape your wallet and not cure you but only put a bandaid on it to keep you coming back and paying more?  

To the OP this is an excellent doc btw


Realone, I agree.
I was taking those "Statin" drugs for high cholesterol and they had all kinds of nasty side-affects!
I did some research and that whole "High Cholesterol" thing does indeed appear to be an enourmous $scam by the big pharmaceutical companies.
I got off them and now use Lecithin a supplement which cleans your arteries out like Draino.

I don't think it's "the govt" so much as the govt prodded by the big drug companies that want to see supplements banned so that they can make more money selling drugs.

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/8/2007 5:39:26 PM   
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80% of all disease is caused by malnutrition (my supposition)

Malnutrition WILL cause a disease (absolute fact)

Am I full of shit, has my last ten years of research been in vain ?

I'm going to question this on the basis that i have a few medical issues none of which are related to nutrition. You would think that by your statistics and my array of medical problems that one of them if your study was factual would be down to nutrition.
 
Asthma - I'm allergic to house dust.
Ovarian cysts - A side effect of child birth.
Very weak tooth enamel - A side effect of child birth.
Adhesion problems after surgery - Bad healing qualities.
Depression - A chemical imbalance in my brain.
 
To address the op as you are all probably aware in the uk we have a national health service which certinly has its faults but we dont pay health insurance unless we take out private policies. We are charged for prescriptions which i am told are around £7 per item nowadays. I dont pay for my prescriptions as i am on certain state benefits which is probably a good job considering i would need 5 items every single month, not a cheap business.

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RE: How the Government is Threatening Your Freedom to U... - 4/9/2007 2:51:11 AM   
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Here is the problem, while my theory still holds water, there are some things not under a person's control.

In the first year of life the digestive tract is still developing, and people have generally forgotten what to feed themselves, so how can they be expected to properly nourish an infant ?

I believe this causes alot of problems. I stand by the mineral theory, but there are a few caveats. First of all if you did not get the minerals in the first few years of life you suffer, permanently. If your Mother was not nourished properly during gestation, same thing.

I consider myself extremely lucky to have the level of health I have. I seek to explain it, so others may similarly get lucky. Of course there are difficulties. I am also not in completely perfect health but I would not trade my problems for most. I am still trying to figure out a few things, but I am looking at it from a different perspective than most.

Both my Parents lost all their teeth at what I think is too early an age, however my paternal Grandfather kept his for life. The problem here is getting valid data and figuring out what is valid and what is not. Diet is certainly a factor, but in the first few years of life nobody can control it, their Parents do and if they don't do it right, the child will suffer.

I reject the idea that bad teeth are caused by, or before birth, because they aren't there yet. But there is a time in the human life cycle for the teething process and it seems that what happens way back then has a profound effect on the rest of one's life.

I tend to respect and try to use the superior heuristic reasoning of the distant past, because the fact of the matter is, if it didn't work none of us would be here. And one must be ever vigilant to avoid post hoc ergo propter hoc, which for the uninitiated is a latin phrase defining people's attributing an effect to the wrong cause. This is not easy.

I reject 99% of the reasoning and research today. I am also appalled at the TV commercials for drugs. I find it almost amusing when they run an ad against illegal drugs, trying to spur people into turning in those who smoke pot or whatever, and then advertise an anti-depressant in the very next ad. Stay off drugs, wait wait wait, we meant stay off drugs that we don't sell.

Miss, I will admit that some things are congenital, but I maintain that they are still chiefly caused by deficiencies in nutrition, whether is is during gestation or the first few years of life. I regret not having any really effective help for your problems, but I will address the depression.

Let me give you my assertion on the exact cause of depression : LIFE SUCKS.

You see it every day, they advertise anti-depressants all the time. What they call an imbalance in the brain is actually a balance, and those who are happy go lucky are the ones with the imbalance. Their drugs intend to create this imbalance in normal people.

If you are a normal human being you have a certain cohesion to the human race. When you see what is going on in the world, and realize that you can do nothing about it, a form of stress sets in, the worst form. If you got stress on the job you can quit. It might ruin you, but you can do it. But you can't quit life.

I myself, being aware of much more evil in the world than I deserve to be, have times when it just gets to me. But since I was about 12, I learned that the cure is not in a bottle, either of alcohol or drugs. Not that I don't drink or occasionally get high, I am just real about it and I know it doesn't solve anything. It is just a break, like a short vacation. When you come down, all the problems will still be there.

If I choose to anesthetise myself for a time, I do it with full knowledge that it solves nothing. We are still getting raped every day by the gov and the big companies, people are still DEAD and our tax dollars killed them. Things are still going WRONG WRONG WRONG.

There is a mental skill people need to develop that abates depression. Detachment. You watch the news and some scumbag beat a two year old to death, I agree this is very bad and he should be hung for it. But you refuse to immerse yourself in the story.

This is a needed skill because there is one hell of alot of misery in the world. And think about what they DON'T tell you ! Things are really bad, and as long as people keep taking "happy pills" nothing will ever get done. When I decide to get drunk or high, in the morning I still have the same debt, the same problems and the world is just as fucked up as it was yesterday, maybe even worse. Nothing has happened.

But when people take the happy pill every day, I really hope it doesn't work. Feeling the almost pain of the world's wrong, OUR wrongs is what helps us get right. People need to be able to disassociate. It sounds difficult, because it is. But you remember the first time you rode a bike ?

I assert that depression is a sign of intelligence. You are aware of how fucked up the world is. When you were a kid, someone might have said to you "Don't cry". If you found it in yourself to comply, that is what you need now. This is severely underdeveloped in people today. The ability to take strong actions, ones that may even hurt some for the betterment of one's family and community.

The ability to sacrifice one's own well being for loved ones is part and parcel of that. Many good virtues are tied in with that. People with depression need to be educated, to realize that all the world's problems do not fall on their shoulders. People need to be able to be an island at times. People need to realizre that it just isn't their fault, at least them personally. Yes, the problems in the world are caused by people, but what kind of problems did YOU create ?

I used to suffer from depression, and have considered suicide in the past. I had the noose all ready, and I threw my cellphone through the screen of my bigscreen XBR Sony. That was many years ago. I learned to step back and look at things objectively.

Didn't help a bit. What I found out is that there are alot of nasty, evil motherfuckers out there, and alot of them are the pillars of society, business leaders etc. What helps is to get your own self. To get to think about your SELF.

What did YOU do ? Did you fuck anyone over today ? I don't fuck anyone over if I can help it, and I regret it when I can't help it. Those times are rare, and overall I think when I die I will be remembered fondly by those who know me. That is the true measure of a person, the effect of the tiny mark they left in life.

If you focus on that, and quit worrying about everyone else, you don't need anti-depressants. What did YOU do ?

If you suffer from depression. you need a candle. Lock the doors, turn the phone ringer off, take a nice hot bath. Then you (don't buy a huge candle) watch the candle burn down to nothing. Stare at it, watch every minute. You may close your eyes at times if you like, but do not look at anything else.

Do you think of yourself as the flame or the wax ? If you are the wax, you are fuel for the flame, if you are the flame the wax is irrelevent, it is simply your food. If you eat a hamburger, are you concerned about the plight of the cow that was killed to produce it ?

The point of the last paragraph is that you have a right to exist, just like me. It all boils down to controlling your emotions, something at which I am an expert. What I am describing is merely a path to achieving that.

This is not a cure all, there are many other issues. Things still suck, it is all still there in the morning, you can't change it, but you CAN change you. How you look at it, how it affects you. Actually it does not affect you.

To bring that into the forefront, nobody can make you feel anything, with love being the sole exception. You make yourself feel emotions, and you do that based on external influences of course. Realizing that is a big step. Realize that nobody on this planet can make you angry for example. You make yourself angry, nobody else.

This is, in a way, adulthood, it is but one more step. You may take responsibility for your bills, dependents etc., this is just one more thing along those lines. YOU take responsibility for your emotions. And I can PROVE unequivocably that you make yourself feel these things, but that really isn't the subject right now.

There is more. I am fully aware that emotional trauma in the early years can affect a person negatively, and almost permanently. I have a fix for that too, it is called directed dreaming. It is a very profound experince and is not easy to accomplish. If something really bad happened to you when you were a kid, and it pervades your psyche now, there is a way to fix it. Ask, if you need.

As far as allergies, sit down, you might not be able to handle the cure, but it works. It boils down to PUNISHING your body for it's reaction. Like any organism it will change it's behavior.

What I did was to make sure there were plenty of matches in the house. As an allergy attack came, I lit an entire book of matches and inhaled the fumes. I was telling my body "You don't like this, well here's something you REALLY don't like". Tough but effective.

This was 30 years ago, and I doubt I've taken a pill six times since then. Before I adopted that attitude I was taking everything I could find in the drugstore, including this stuff that got me wasted. Well one day it all stopped. We are talking when I was 12 here. Then I refused to eat anything that came out of a can. My view was if you don't have to put it in the fridge I do not want it. That attitude has abated, but I am still very careful about what I eat.

Just so you know, I am a problem solver by nature. OK, I can fix electronic equipment, cars, houses, machinery, all that. But the underlying theme is problem solver. I have been learning it (like a doctor practices) for decades now.

Actually, the depression is the first thing to deal with. The sad do not heal very well. If you have a childhood traumatic experience there is help through directed dreaming. It can take weeks to get it to work, but once it does the effect is quite profound.

But this is all for the depression, some have physical problems. And we have to face the fact that some of them will not go away. But you must become unattached from it. Let it go. This is the way it is. Are you in a wheelchair ? Can you walk, stand, fuck ? If you can, be thankful for that, and not to any God or doctor, to yourself.

I may soon post the instructions for the directed dreaming, but if anyone has really bad issues from childhood, mail me. It is a powerful, VERY powerful tool in training your mind, and I am willing to share it. Once it works, it is a profound experience. This absolutlely stoic Man, one who could look his own Mother in the eyes (who he does love) and blow her head off, one who could actually commit genocide if it would help our country (regardless of the dead babies), one who could do almost anything, who is in such strict control of his emotions, was in tears after this happened.

Directed dreaming is a complex process, but the benefits are staggering.

There are many techniques that help you train your mind. Directed dreaming is not for everyone, I might have to just do a post on that.

This is waaaaay long enough at this point. But let me tell you about training the mind, the benefits are awesome, you will no longer abuse drugs, you will not overeat, you will stop all self destructive behavior. And I embody these results, so just let me give you a bit of background. I luckily have not been caught for many things. I mean arson, almost murder, theft, all that. I don't do these things now because I do not WANT to do thesxe things. And no religion helped me,. I am concerned about the mark I leave on this planet, and with it's people when I am gone. How will I be remembered ?

If you want to take the journey, when you get to that point, I can't really describe how you will be. But you will be better. And really, very few of you all out there has as far to go as I did. So be optimistic.

T

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