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Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 12:33:38 PM

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Maybe she ate some bad cabbage on St. Patricks' Day. She thinks she's giving the King of Syria a message from the elected leaders of Israel, when no such message was ever sent by Israel...

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 1:57:50 PM

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I saw her on the News this afternoon!
GOD, I was CRINGING.
Why is is that we get such STUPID BASTARDS in government?

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 2:11:46 PM

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I piss myself at how the USA is wagged by Israel, Olmert really should be in the Whitehouse, he is in all but name.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 5:55:14 PM

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Maybe she ate some bad cabbage on St. Patricks' Day. She thinks she's giving the King of Syria a message from the elected leaders of Israel, when no such message was ever sent by Israel...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1173879247562&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Fascinating.

If AnenchephalyBoy had done something like this, Sanity would be jumping to his defense with a long laundry list of reasons why this was appropriate for a Special Education Reject In Chief to do it.

Because Pelosi did it, she is obviously insane.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 6:17:26 PM

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What I dont get is how Pelosi speaks for Israel. Pelosi has ZERO experience in international relations. Yet she thinks he has the ability to go to Syria and tell them what Israel is and isn't willing to do? I am glad Olmert set her straight.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 7:18:46 PM

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What I dont get is how Pelosi speaks for Israel. Pelosi has ZERO experience in international relations. Yet she thinks he has the ability to go to Syria and tell them what Israel is and isn't willing to do? I am glad Olmert set her straight.

(AnencephalyBoy had zero experience in international relations when the people in the red states made him king)

(wait, AnencephalyBoy still has zero experience in international relations)

(move along, nothing to see here)

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 7:29:17 PM

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Sinergy, it's the same thing as "The Reverand" Jesse Jackson doing it.
And what does she mean by "a peaceful world" or some such nonsense?
We're PAYING her to take care of *this* country, not "the world!"
All she's doing is embarrassing herself.

This is why we need to have *Job Descriptions* in government!

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 7:41:17 PM

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Sinergy, it's the same thing as "The Reverand" Jesse Jackson doing it.
And what does she mean by "a peaceful world" or some such nonsense?
We're PAYING her to take care of *this* country, not "the world!"
All she's doing is embarrassing herself.

This is why we need to have *Job Descriptions* in government!

I am a lot more embarrassed by AnencephalyBoy than I am by Pelosi.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 7:48:43 PM

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Fascinating.

If AnenchephalyBoy had done something like this, Sanity would be jumping to his defense with a long laundry list of reasons why this was appropriate for a Special Education Reject In Chief to do it.

Because Pelosi did it, she is obviously insane.

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Synergy- I just attribute her detractor's objections here to everything she does to pussyphobia and /or optianalitis. :)

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 7:52:02 PM

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Fascinating.

If AnenchephalyBoy had done something like this, Sanity would be jumping to his defense with a long laundry list of reasons why this was appropriate for a Special Education Reject In Chief to do it.

Because Pelosi did it, she is obviously insane.

Sinergy

Synergy- I just attribute her detractor's objections here to everything she does to pussyphobia and /or optianalitis. :)

I tend to agree.

If she was a guy the anti-Pelosi crowd would disappear. Look at all the idiotic things that AnencephalyBoy has done and none of them object.

Go figure.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 8:01:56 PM

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Six years of absolute power all the people on the right side have stored all that hatred and now can let it out. Give them some time and it will get more focused instead of this scatter shot. They are out of practice. It gets tiring defending a President that has become hard to defend. It is so much easier to rip people. (Yes, I am including people like me in the last sentance who have spent years hating King George.)

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 9:34:41 PM

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Foreign policy is not the speaker of the house's responsibility.

And for her to go to Syria and say Israel is ready for this or that shows just how stupid Pelosi and her leftist supporters truly are. She does not speak for Israel. She doesn't even speak for all Americans. I never voted for Pelosi, she is not part of the administration, and she doesn't represent my district. So why does she get to go over there and speak for America and Israel? The only people she represents is the militart left of San Francisco.

Maybe she should come back to Washington and start doing her 5-day work week like she promised to do if Democrats won back control. Because right now the polls show that Congress has a lower approval rating than George W. Bush. The Dems are going to be thrown right back out of power in 2008 if they keep this up.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 9:45:48 PM

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Just skimming Article II for an overview of The President's authority for "Foreign Policy"...

A2C2:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

A2S3: Presidential responsibilities

* He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;
* he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper;
* he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers;
* he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and
* shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

I'm wondering exactly what people are talking about here. Pelosi apparently has just as much right as a Free Woman to conduct whatever conversations she cares to, with due considerations to her responsibilites to prevent conflicts-of-interest or appearances of impropriety.

Do you see anything giving Bush and his buddies the exclusive right to express themselves? Or is "Freedom of Speech" just something that SOME PEOPLE HAVE under SOME CONDITIONS.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 10:05:17 PM

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Ummmm....farglebargle?? Am I missing something in what you are saying? Article II concerning "The President's authority" etc. deals with one person...the President. So when it says "He shall have the power..." that means The President shall have the power. It means "The President shall have the power, by and with the advice and consent of the senate, to make treaties provided...yadda, yadda, yadda. It DOES NOT mean that the Speaker of the House, the local chief of police, the borough's sanitation engineer shall have the power to to make treaties and such.

* he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper;
* he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers;
* he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and
* shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

All of the above deals with the President exclusively. I don't think that anyone is arguing that Nancy Pelosi did not have "the right" to go over and talk to Syriah. Was it bad form? Of course it was. She undermined the President and she undermined Israel. She did a great deal more harm than good. But does she have the right? Absolutely!!! Americans have the right to utter all manner of stupid shit because our soldiers have secured that right with their blood. Know what? The Iraqi's have that right as well now.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 10:23:30 PM

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Ummmm....farglebargle?? Am I missing something in what you are saying? Article II concerning "The President's authority" etc. deals with one person...the President. So when it says "He shall have the power..." that means The President shall have the power. It means "The President shall have the power, by and with the advice and consent of the senate, to make treaties provided...yadda, yadda, yadda. It DOES NOT mean that the Speaker of the House, the local chief of police, the borough's sanitation engineer shall have the power to to make treaties and such.

* he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper;
* he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers;
* he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and
* shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

All of the above deals with the President exclusively. I don't think that anyone is arguing that Nancy Pelosi did not have "the right" to go over and talk to Syriah. Was it bad form? Of course it was. She undermined the President and she undermined Israel. She did a great deal more harm than good. But does she have the right? Absolutely!!! Americans have the right to utter all manner of stupid shit because our soldiers have secured that right with their blood. Know what? The Iraqi's have that right as well now.

She is actually not prevented as a private citizen from going to Syria and talking to their leader.

What she agrees to has no legal weight.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/5/2007 11:39:31 PM

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Ummmm....farglebargle?? Am I missing something in what you are saying?

Excepting creating Treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate, I don't see "Foreign Policy" in any other sense delegated to The President.

Do you?

Because, given the nature of the Constitution, that which is not EXPLICITLY DELEGATED is reserved. I don't see the Executive being given the authority to conduct any negotiations OTHER THAN treaties, therefore, as long as Rep. Pelosi doesn't engage in negotiating a treaty to be binding upon the United States, there's no reason to expect her to keep her mouth shut.

In fact, "Keep Your Mouth Shut" is downright Un-American.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/6/2007 1:06:41 AM

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Ummmm....farglebargle?? Am I missing something in what you are saying?

Excepting creating Treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate, I don't see "Foreign Policy" in any other sense delegated to The President.

Do you?

Because, given the nature of the Constitution, that which is not EXPLICITLY DELEGATED is reserved. I don't see the Executive being given the authority to conduct any negotiations OTHER THAN treaties, therefore, as long as Rep. Pelosi doesn't engage in negotiating a treaty to be binding upon the United States, there's no reason to expect her to keep her mouth shut.

In fact, "Keep Your Mouth Shut" is downright Un-American.

"Foreign policy" was not a term used back when the constitution was written. The only agreements between nations back then were talks of alliances (usually for wars), treaties (usually for peace), and trade pacts (money). That was it. And it is not the role of congress to make those treaties. The constitution states that the president, with the advise and consent of the Senate, to make and negotiate treaties. Where does it say that the Speaker of the House plays any role in the process? In fact the House of Representatives isn't part of the foreign policy process at all! The President makes, signs, and negotiates the treaty, and the Senate ratifies it. That's how it works.

Her trip is already being used as propaganda by terrorists. Palestinian Islamic Jihad released a statement on Al-Jazeera that stated their support for Pelosi's trip and negotiations.

Its politics as well. Pelosi knows congress hasn't done jack crap since the Dems took over. She has broken every promise she has made and the approval rating of congress is lower than Bush's. So now she's going over to the mid-east to try to embarrass the White House. She's not over there to find facts or make peace or anything of the such....She's over there for media attention and political purposes.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/6/2007 1:15:36 AM

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"Foreign policy" was not a term used back when the constitution was written.

Until it's included in the Constitution by Amendment, let us not bother using the meaningless phrase, which only serves to distract from the appropriate roles of the players involved.

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The only agreements between nations back then were talks of alliances (usually for wars), treaties (usually for peace), and trade pacts (money). That was it. And it is not the role of congress to make those treaties. The constitution states that the president, with the advise and consent of the Senate, to make and negotiate treaties.

Agreed.

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Where does it say that the Speaker of the House plays any role in the process?

Nowhere. Are you alleging she's trying to negotiate a treaty binding upon the United States?

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In fact the House of Representatives isn't part of the foreign policy process at all!

Since "Foreign Policy" doesn't exist, Constitutionally, let's stop using the meaningless word. TREATY. The House is not part of negotiating TREATIES. Unless you can provide evidence that Rep. Pelosi is attempting to negotiate a TREATY, your objection is pointless and illogical.

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The President makes, signs, and negotiates the treaty, and the Senate ratifies it. That's how it works.

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Her trip is already being used as propaganda by terrorists. Palestinian Islamic Jihad released a statement on Al-Jazeera that stated their support for Pelosi's trip and negotiations.

Olmert by the way yesturday made it clear Israel isn't willing to surrender their position by saying the Syrian government is part of the "Axis of Evil."

Olmert's got his own domestic problems he's busy waving to dog to distract from, I'm not sure I'd believe what his PR people are putting out. Stop worrying so much about what the Terrorists think, and maybe develop effective policy, strategy, and tactics. The clock is ticking. Don't waste the additional year playing political games, when you should be winning Iraq in the next 6 months. Looks like Rep. Pelosi actually READ the ISGR.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/6/2007 1:55:47 AM

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If you are worried about terrorists using a politicians actions for propaganda, sorry but Bush is Al Qaeda's poster child for recruiting. Bush has done more to strengthen Al Qaeda than they could have ever hoped for. Clinton avoided Osama's trap and Bush fell for a trap Osama didn't even set, talk about pathetic. No I won't explain myself because I no longer fucking care about how utterly ignorant and full of shit some posters are.

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RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In - 4/6/2007 3:47:24 AM

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Synergy- I just attribute her detractor's objections here to everything she does to pussyphobia and /or optianalitis. :)

Any time that a woman you support who is in the public eye is criticized, you resort to that very tactic. So, tell us - do you really see a big, bad penis behind every bush? Or have you simply settled on this disengenuous debate tactic of obfuscation because you really believe that it is working for you.

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