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subrob1967 -> RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In (4/7/2007 5:19:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: puella

Hello rob....

Actually when Dennis Hastert was speaker of the House he went to Columbia and not only chit chatted with the officials there, he advised them to ignore the tricky bits about human rights in condition for them getting aid from the US which President Clinton had negotiated.

I know you will have trouble believing that so here is the official  National Security Archive link for ya ... about half way down.. 
  • As the end-use agreement was being negotiated with the Colombian defense ministry, a congressional delegation led by Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-IL) – currently Speaker of the House of Representatives who was then chairman of the House subcommittee on national security – secretly encouraged Colombian military officials to ignore human rights conditions on U.S. aid.  (See Documents 52, 54 and 55)






...Hastert said he would to correct this situation and expedite aid to countries allied in the war on drugs and also encouraged Colombian military officials to “bypass the U.S. executive branch and communicate directly with Congress.”

Upon learning of the delivery, U.S. Ambassador Myles Frechette sent this cable complaining that the shipment “will undermine Embassy’s efforts to negotiate an End-Use Monitoring (EUM) agreement.”  According to Frechette, a previous shipment, which arrived in May during the visit of a congressional delegation led by House Speaker Dennis Hastert, a strong proponent for releasing the aid,



convinced some senior Colombian military officers that they had the upper hand in negotiating EUM conditions and need only take a tough line and wait for [the U.S. government’s] insistence on human rights conditions to be overwhelmed by the pressure of events.

As indicated in Document 52, the Hastert delegation also promised Colombian military officials that they would work to weaken or remove the conditions on aid then being proposed in the EUM agreement.



http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB69/


1) Show me where I defended Denny's choice to go there. The U.S.'s foreign policy is what the PRESIDENT say's it is, not what the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE say's it is.




subrob1967 -> RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In (4/7/2007 5:23:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I can just imagine Charlie Sheen and the rest of the lefties here going apoplectic if Newt Gingrich tried this shit on Clinton.

She did wrong, she's out of line, she's a fucking moron playing politics trying to make her party look better than the opposition.


Explain the visits to Syria by Frank Wolf of Virginia, Joseph Pitts of Pennsylvania and Robert Aderholt of Alabama who werre in Damascus ahead of the visit by Speaker Nancy Pelosi ?

Hypocrite Much? So it's ok for 3 REPUBLICANS to go to Syria LAST WEEK and have talks, but not for Pelosi?




Please show me where I condoned the three Republicans going to Damascus, and I'll gladly add "I'm a hypocrit" to my signature, until then stfu.




farglebargle -> RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In (4/7/2007 8:05:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I can just imagine Charlie Sheen and the rest of the lefties here going apoplectic if Newt Gingrich tried this shit on Clinton.

She did wrong, she's out of line, she's a fucking moron playing politics trying to make her party look better than the opposition.


Explain the visits to Syria by Frank Wolf of Virginia, Joseph Pitts of Pennsylvania and Robert Aderholt of Alabama who werre in Damascus ahead of the visit by Speaker Nancy Pelosi ?

Hypocrite Much? So it's ok for 3 REPUBLICANS to go to Syria LAST WEEK and have talks, but not for Pelosi?




Please show me where I condoned the three Republicans going to Damascus, and I'll gladly add "I'm a hypocrit" to my signature, until then stfu.



How could SHE be, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, "She did wrong, she's out of line, she's a fucking moron playing politics trying to make her party look better than the opposition." When the other party is doing the EXACT SAME THING.

How can she make her party look better by doing the EXACT SAME THING?

You neglect to address that in your response, so tacitly you are endorsing the Republicans who did it, by denouncing ONLY the Democrats there. ( btw, neglecting that Pelosi's trip is bi-partisan also... )

There's no "High Ground" for you to occupy.

Nice use of prepared talking points, though.




farglebargle -> RE: Pelosi's Madness Is Setting In (4/7/2007 8:06:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

1) Show me where I defended Denny's choice to go there. The U.S.'s foreign policy is what the PRESIDENT say's it is, not what the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE say's it is.



Where does it say that IN THE CONSTITUTION? I don't see the words "FOREIGN POLICY", just "TREATY".

Since it's not delegated, it's reserved. The President is The People's Bitch. He's got no "free will", just obedience to The Law, as passed by The People.




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