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MissyRane -> Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:23:59 AM)

Okay this's something I keep bumping into more and more, i.e. owned submissives/slaves looking for their own submissive/slave who might(not necessarily though) also have serve their master/mistress.

Are there so many submissives that are only submissive to one person but dominant to all others? That sounds, to me, more like a dominant who's submissive to one person, at least that sounds more radical to me than the other way round...or a switch..or something
Yet they claim to be a submissive..just looking for a submissive to own

omg confusing!
So my question is: how can a submissive own a submissive being a submissive but not dominant unless they're dominant but only submissive to one person?[:D]



Rumtiger -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:25:18 AM)

Maybe i'm going out on a limb here, but I think thats a switch.



MissyRane -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:26:59 AM)

Yeah I agree it kind of sounds l ike it to me but why are they so hesitant stating themselves as a switch then? I mean either you are or aren't a dom/sub/switch, right?



Rumtiger -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:28:21 AM)

some people are stubborn.



SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:28:26 AM)

It is called topping

natural order and male slaves pampering owned females
http://www.collarchat.com/m_930197/mpage_3/key_/tm.htm#935460

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you


Ross
©º°¨¨°º©




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:35:13 AM)

It really depends on the dynamics.  The most common answer is that the person is a switch- however, if the relationship dynamics are only topping, or playing, or housework, and any authority the sub has comes THROUGH the master, it's just a case of enjoying a toy without actually having authority.

In a similar way that a master can have one slave have some authority and responsibility over another slave he owns- he can have one slave have some authority and responsibility over another slave he doesn't own. 

Whether the slave/master consider that relationship to be the slave as the dom to the new slave, or just a fun toy to enjoy is up to them.

I think in more than a few cases, it is a situation in which a sub wants a free ride of the benefits of submission from another without the responsibility of dominance (though they would quickly sneer at any dom who tried to do so), or they are trying to avoid the stigma of labeling themselves a switch and handling that change in perspective.

But sometimes it really is just a case of a slave topping another, or a slave enjoying a toy without dominating, or a slave using the authority from the master.



Lynae78 -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:38:57 AM)

And plus some have a problem with the word "switch" alot of the Old Guard/Gorean lifestylers don't approve of the concept. (Yes I know most if not all of the Old Guard has passed, I am not looking to start that argument up again.) So yes technically a submissive looking to own a submissive is a switch, but it also depends on what they want that submissive for. Some are merely looking to help their Dominants add to the stable,with the them in the Alpha sub position.  Others want to explore topping but are not ready to declare themselves as switches. Others have Dominants that are also switches and are looking into the possibilities of letting their sub switch on them. There are thousands of possibilities! One of the things I love about our community!



Lynae78 -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:40:35 AM)

lol. Didn't even remotely think of that LA, interesting!



vield -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:40:35 AM)

LOL, there are a good many layered relationships in which each person has different power levels to the others.

Labels are only valid when self applied, and even then it is important to agree upon the definitions.

One relationship I was in had 4 members. Besides myself there was my Mistress, her Master, and our slave girl. No one did any switching, we all knew where we were in the relationship. It got a bit confusing for outside observers, but that was their problem. The Master and I were equal friends, no power exchange. Mistress served him, I served her, and our slave girl served any of us as we wished.

My current partner is my slave, but she is Domme to most others.

We may both be switches according to some definitions, but we do NOT switch with each other. That is only because our energies do not flow that way with each other.



SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:40:44 AM)

I switch her on

I switch her off

if she needs to be punished I have her go and cut her own switches

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you


Ross
©º°¨¨°º©



MissyRane -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:50:50 AM)

hmm'kay I think I'm kind of getting it. I think this's kinda label crisis I'm having 'cause I have a hard time figuring out how a person can be a submissive&dominant without being a switch dohhhhhh[:(]
my thought is like I can understand a dynamic whereas there's a dominant and a submissive that obeys the dominant and that submissive takes orders of giving another submissive orders (?)
but yeah it kind of confuses me when there's a dominant(A) and a submissive(B) who obeys the dominant(A) but then the submissive(B) is dominant over their own submissive(C) who doesn't necessarily have to submit to dominant(A)

Thanks for the info guys[:)][:)][:)]



Rumtiger -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 8:58:24 AM)

you can always go into my frame of thought, makes things much less complicated.

It's nice.



TheHousehold -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 9:01:38 AM)

I myself am looking for a layered relationship.

I seek a Domme who would be submissive to me - perhaps even be my slave.  Does that make her a switch?  Even I am not sure.  She would submit to one person, and one person only.  In all other respects she would remain a Domme.  I am not sure that DOES make her a switch.

As to the slaves I also seek, they would be mine, I would own them, they would answer to me, but my Lady would have power over them so long as what she did/required did not conflict with my own needs and desires.  It MIGHT happen that she would have a slave of her own, for whom she was the ultimate power - perhaps a male slave - but that is just a possibility.

Hell, it's all "just a possibility" at the moment...



thetammyjo -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 9:02:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissyRane

Okay this's something I keep bumping into more and more, i.e. owned submissives/slaves looking for their own submissive/slave who might(not necessarily though) also have serve their master/mistress.

Are there so many submissives that are only submissive to one person but dominant to all others? That sounds, to me, more like a dominant who's submissive to one person, at least that sounds more radical to me than the other way round...or a switch..or something
Yet they claim to be a submissive..just looking for a submissive to own

omg confusing!
So my question is: how can a submissive own a submissive being a submissive but not dominant unless they're dominant but only submissive to one person?[:D]



Not to detract from the modern times but in the Roman world it was legally and socially possible for a slave to own another one -- more skilled or higher level slaves might use part of any money they made in tips or bribes to purchase someone to help them with mundane matters. Legally then it was a complex question of who ultimately owned who -- in general wise Romans used money and allowed private property to be owned by their slaves as well as the possibility of freedom as a way to encourage better performance of duties. They undestood that the 'carrot' approach might work better in some situations than the 'stick'.

So in the modern world I could see a submissive wanting someone to help them out but not necessarily wanting to create more responsibiliites for their owner -- each slave one owns today is another relationship that you have to maintain afterall.

I can also see someone who is a swtich (why is this a difficult concept for some people) who likes the idea of having someone they can dom without distrupting their primary service to their own owner.

I personally think that brining anyone into an existing relationship (not necessarily sexual but even as plain old vanilla friends) works best when everyone is aware and ok with it.



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 9:11:12 AM)

Some people feel one energy/dynamic with one person and another energy/dynamic with another. my girl is also a Syr. she's not Syr to me.

Master Fire



Dnomyar -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 9:33:02 AM)

I have a Domme submissive. She has her own slaves. I have nothing to do with them. She considers herself a switch. If it works for you go for it.  



blmtrsne -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 9:37:30 AM)

I just don't get it.My slave only has time to serve me, not to go out looking for a sub of his own. He needs to prepare things, needs to think about my habbits to be able to serve me before I ask for it, needs to do his chores, has a job... And when he would be ordering around someone else I should believe him to be submissive? What's more, I would never accept it: to a woman he can't be dominant because he must worship Her, and to a male I will do that job.

It's not that I don't get it that I don't approve: I will never interfier with other peoples choises, but... I just don't understand it.



crouchingtigress -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 10:03:47 AM)

"a layered relationship"...that is a wonderful way to put it....i have had several lovely layerd relationships, much the same as have been described we knew our places, none of us switched and for the same reason....."because our energies not not flow that way"



arayofsunshine55 -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 10:11:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissyRane

hmm'kay I think I'm kind of getting it. I think this's kinda label crisis I'm having 'cause I have a hard time figuring out how a person can be a submissive&dominant without being a switch dohhhhhh[:(]
my thought is like I can understand a dynamic whereas there's a dominant and a submissive that obeys the dominant and that submissive takes orders of giving another submissive orders (?)
but yeah it kind of confuses me when there's a dominant(A) and a submissive(B) who obeys the dominant(A) but then the submissive(B) is dominant over their own submissive(C) who doesn't necessarily have to submit to dominant(A)

Thanks for the info guys[:)][:)][:)]

Your question at the heart seems to be about more than labels.  That last sentence implies that you also don't understand some swtiches.

So he owns me.  That's clear.  I will own another.  That is clear.  But I travel through lots of grey areas.  Will Daddy in turn own my property?  Not necessarily.  Depends on what works for the 3 of us cause in the end it is about human beings figuring out what works for them.  My proporty can have as much or as little "interaction" with DAddy as works for him.  No big rules in advance.  Bottom line for me it is in part about flexibility and ambiguity and enjoying both.



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Submissives looking to own a submissive (4/5/2007 10:12:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: blmtrsne

I just don't get it.My slave only has time to serve me, not to go out looking for a sub of his own. He needs to prepare things, needs to think about my habbits to be able to serve me before I ask for it, needs to do his chores, has a job...


Oh, I dunno...I can see a slave ordering their slave to do some of the chores the first slave is responsible for. It rather sets them up as a Major Domo kind of thing.

Master Fire



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