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New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 1:31:43 PM   
Devilslilsister


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Status: offline 		Ah ha!  i just found the perfect definition for "slave" and a close resemblence to what some do in the lifestyle.  I'm researching Roman Slavery for a term paper and one sentence made me think of Collarme.  Curious as to what you all think.

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The essence of being a slave was the inability to protect one's body.


Taken from the paragraph:

quote:

A slave by definition had no honor or dignity. The essence of being a slave was the inability to protect one's body. While every citizen had the right to trial and appeal before they suffered physical punishment, a slave was defined by the absence of such a right and expectation. An owner could beat and abuse slaves (and it could not legally be considered assault) and compel sex from slaves of either sex (and it could not be considered rape). [Romans did not deal well with the notion that female citizens slept with male slaves, however.] If someone had sex with a slave without the owner's permission, however, the owner could sue that person for trespass.


i dunno - but it sounds like a good definition to me = )  Makes sense to me as well.  i must say that the first quote had me thinking about a member of this forum = ).  On top of all of this outlined definitions - the slavery back then was just as diverse as what we "do" now.  The type of slave you were, all depended on who owned you. 

Like this slave -

quote:

Cicero had a slave named Tiro. Tiro was Cicero's secretary, confidant, right-hand man, editor, and after Cicero's death, the publisher of a number of Cicero's speeches


Like i said, curious as to what everyone thinks.

edited to add - i forgot to add the website!

http://abacus.bates.edu/~mimber/Rciv/slavery.htm

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 1:34:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another neat quote

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The mere experience of a state in which an individual could not protect his own body from abuse was inherently and permanently degrading. Thus, even if your owner treated you quite well, Romans believed that you were degraded simply by being subject to another man's ability to treat you poorly if he chose.



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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 1:43:41 PM   
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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 1:45:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		yeah that sure is a sexy definition....it really captures the feeling....

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 1:45:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good definitions but not quite how I see it -lol.  I don't think this is a surprise.  I figure there have to be as many definitions of slave, submissive, bottom, Master, Top ... etc as there are folks in this lifestyle.

Thanks for the thoughtful input.

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 2:13:31 PM   
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LOL I am sorry, but it would not wash with me. I am very well trained in several disciplines of self-defense. I am more than capable of protecting my own body should the need arise; yet it still does not change the fact that I am enslaved to Master.
 
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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 2:19:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		aloha jaunty,

this definition is not the only definition ...just one of many.....

also the idea of her definition is that one is not allowed to protect themselves, not that they are incapable, and that knowing they are not allowed to protect themselves creates humiliation and adds to the slave mind frame....



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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 2:22:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

aloha jaunty,

this definition is not the only definition ...just one of many.....

also the idea of her definition is that one is not allowed to protect themselves, not that they are incapable, and that knowing they are not allowed to protect themselves creates humiliation and adds to the slave mind frame....



Greetings Miss Amy
 
I was well aware that this was just one of many definitions and possibilities out there.  Just as I am sure that most will see what I said as my response to how it would reply to me; as much the same way that I am sure most apply some conversations here.
 
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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 2:28:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not a slave and have never been a slave (except to chocolate). However, knowing a good deal many of them if you added consensual to the mix I think you would have a smart defintion of the term.

Of course everyone has their own thoughts and definations.

ooops......meant to respond to the OP not to you jaunty.......sorry :)

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 2:34:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jauntyone

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

aloha jaunty,

this definition is not the only definition ...just one of many.....

also the idea of her definition is that one is not allowed to protect themselves, not that they are incapable, and that knowing they are not allowed to protect themselves creates humiliation and adds to the slave mind frame....



Greetings Miss Amy
 
I was well aware that this was just one of many definitions and possibilities out there.  Just as I am sure that most will see what I said as my response to how it would reply to me; as much the same way that I am sure most apply some conversations here.
 
I wish you well
 
melissa

OMG...she REALLY does have some claws hidden under all that niceness

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 2:35:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Expanded these definitions could go well to explain many slave situations. Great choice. Thanks for sharing.

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 2:43:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress


also the idea of her definition is that one is not allowed to protect themselves, not that they are incapable, and that knowing they are not allowed to protect themselves creates humiliation and adds to the slave mind frame....




This was how I viewed it, also.  That no matter what means I had to protect myself, I would have no right or authority to do so.  I am not even allowed to cover when he strikes me, so this definition would apply to me as well.  My body is not my own; it is his to do with as he wishes.  This means all aspects - if he chooses to inflict something upon it, or if he chooses me to do something with it, or if he denies me permission to do something with it, etc.  Thus far, I have never felt the need to protect myself from harm from him.

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:04:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie


*licks yer nose*....i think we are all talking about the same thing....the sexiness of being able, but not being allowed to protect yourself.....its pretty damn hot

mellisa thank you for your clarrification of "would not wash with me"...i wish you well too



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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:11:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've lent out my slave to another woman when she was sick. He didn't have a say with in it and she could do whatever she wanted. Afther all, he's my slave.

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:15:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to add to the idea of it not being unable physicly, but unable legaly to protect themselves (I imagine the gladiator slaves were entirely capable of killing many of their owners) The issue was not incapable but unable to because of the law. (of coure you could break the law and then suffer the consequences)

While the only law that prevents a consensual slave from protecting themselves from their owner would be an internal (to the relationship), the example does serve as a potential source for M/s dynamic study

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:18:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		A statement from the quoted text......
 
"A slave by definition had no honor or dignity"
 
I can't get with this at all.  Alot of things can be taken away from a person including his/her pride,  but if you contain honor and dignity, I don't see how anything on earth could strip it away. 



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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:25:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think perhaps they refer to honor and dignity as used in older contexts which were literally a persons name/heraldry/estates/stations in court.  Not the ephemeral states we refer to them today.

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:25:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember though that honor and dignity have not always contained all the things we tend to use to define them.
Honor ment higher than normal regard,

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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:33:46 PM   
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RE: New/Old Styles - 4/4/2007 3:36:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jauntyone

Greetings
 
LOL I am sorry, but it would not wash with me. I am very well trained in several disciplines of self-defense. I am more than capable of protecting my own body should the need arise; yet it still does not change the fact that I am enslaved to Master.
 
I wish you well
 
melissa


Damn straight. I do not protect myself from him because I have no need to, however I am more then capable of protecting myself from others. Course I'm not a slave so I guess I don't count!

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