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Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 7:17:03 PM   
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After bloody week in Iraq, singer delights with win
By Aws Qusay Sat Mar 31, 11:03 AM ET

After enduring one of the bloodiest weeks in Iraq's sectarian conflict, Iraqis on Saturday were united in celebrating the win of an Iraqi woman in the hit pan-Arab television talent show Star Academy.

Shatha Hassoun, 26, fell on her knees on stage and wrapped the red, white and black Iraqi flag around her shoulders after learning she had garnered the biggest share of the public vote in the reality show, which is broadcast from Lebanon and is one of the most popular programs in the Middle East.

The announcement came shortly before midnight in Iraq. In Baghdad, a power cut meant many who had been following Hassoun's fortunes over the past four months were unable to see her beat her three remaining classmates, from Lebanon, Tunisia and Egypt.

But in those areas with power generators, cheering erupted from many homes along with the sound of celebratory gunfire, which began slowly at first and then intensified as the news swiftly spread by phone and text message.

While Hassoun, the daughter of a Moroccan mother and an Iraqi father, lives in Morocco, many Iraqis saw in her an opportunity to forget their own troubles in the war-ravaged country and restore some national pride.

More than 500 people were killed this week in an explosion of violence between minority Sunnis and majority Shi'ites, that ignored calls for national reconciliation by Iraq's leaders and fueled fears the country was slipping closer to civil war.

"I voted for the government and they did nothing for us. She deserves the vote more than the government does," Um Farah, a store owner in Baghdad's dangerous, mainly Sunni Yarmouk district, told Reuters.

In an emotional interview with Iraq's al-Sharqiya television station shortly after her win, Hassoun said: "I thank Baghdad and I thank Iraq."
Members of both Sunni and Shi'ite sects claimed her as one of their own.

"Her win is evidence of the unity of Iraqis supporting each other," said Hassan Kadim, a cosmetics shop owner in the holy Shi'ite city of Najaf, referring to the public vote by paid text message and telephone.

One enthusiastic fan told Sharqiya television: "I'm a doctor and my salary is $400. I spent $300 just to vote for her. How can I live now until the end of the month?"

Star Academy Middle East is the Arab version of the French show Star Academy produced by Dutch company Endemol.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070331/tv_nm/iraq_singer_dc

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I just find it amazing that after years of civil war, something as minor as this still has the power to unite a country....
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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 7:32:29 PM   
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I find it amazing how you run away after making ludicrous statements like how our President never said there was a relationship between Saddam and al qaeda.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 7:45:46 PM   
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I find it amazing how you run away after making ludicrous statements like how our President never said there was a relationship between Saddam and al qaeda.


Well that's not what this thread is about. There are a million threads in this forum concerning Iraq. I have a life and a job. I can't keep up with them all in order to answer your stupid questions.

But Bush never came out in a press conference or state of the union and said that Saddam Hussein was with Al-Queda and helped plan September 11th.
The only thing he said was that Hussein had links to Zarquawi and possibly Mohammad Atta. That information was based on a CIA report. In 2005, the CIA admitted the mistake during a hearing in front of the Senate Intelligence committee.

And it is an irrelevent point anyway. Saddam publically gave $25,000 to any family if a member of that family blew themselves up in Israel. He was a supporter of terrorism. And I sure as hell lost no sleep when I heard he was executed.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:04:40 PM   
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And you obviously lose no sleep over posting and sticking with thoughts that have been proven to be false.....So what value do your words have?

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:07:35 PM   
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Bush never himself tied Saddam to Al-Queda.


SanFrancisco Chronicle

Bush insists on Iraq-al Qaeda link
David E. Sanger, Robin Toner, New York Times
Friday, June 18, 2004

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney insisted on Thursday that Saddam Hussein's deposed regime had a long history of ties to al Qaeda despite a report by the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks that found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and the terrorist network.
Bush, responding to a reporter's question about the report after a White House Cabinet meeting, said: "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda" is "because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."
He said: "This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with Osama bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two."
Bush said he had called Hussein a threat "because he had used weapons of mass destruction against his own people. He was a threat because he was a sworn enemy to the United States of America, just like al Qaeda. Now, he was a threat because he had terrorist connections, not only al Qaeda connections, but other connections to terrorist organizations."


http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/sprj.irq.bush.iraq/

"He is a danger not only to countries in the region but, as I explained last night, because of his al Qaeda connections, because of his history, he is a danger to Americans," Bush said, referring to Tuesday's State of the Union address. "And we're going to deal with him. We're going to deal with him before it's too late."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021107-7.html
 
THE PRESIDENT: No. I think that -- I think that if you would read the full -- I'm sure he said other sentences. Let me just put it to you, I know George Tenet well. I meet with him every single day. He sees Saddam Hussein as a threat. I don't know what the context of that quote is. I'm telling you, the guy knows what I know, that he is a problem and we must deal with him.
And, you know, it's like people say, oh, we must leave Saddam alone; otherwise, if we did something against him, he might attack us. Well, if we don't do something, he might attack us, and he might attack us with a more serious weapon. The man is a threat, Hutch, I'm telling you. He's a threat not only with what he has, he's a threat with what he's done. He's a threat because he is dealing with al Qaeda. In my Cincinnati speech, I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an al Qaeda-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint. That is a threat. And we're going to deal with it.


Just wanted to refresh your memory....You are so forgetful...No need to thank me....Because I'm sure you wouldn't want this error on your part to stand uncorrected...because that is the kind of man you are, and I have always respected your clear thinking and integrity.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:23:56 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Bush never himself tied Saddam to Al-Queda.


SanFrancisco Chronicle

Bush insists on Iraq-al Qaeda link
David E. Sanger, Robin Toner, New York Times
Friday, June 18, 2004

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney insisted on Thursday that Saddam Hussein's deposed regime had a long history of ties to al Qaeda despite a report by the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks that found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and the terrorist network.
Bush, responding to a reporter's question about the report after a White House Cabinet meeting, said: "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda" is "because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."
He said: "This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with Osama bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two."
Bush said he had called Hussein a threat "because he had used weapons of mass destruction against his own people. He was a threat because he was a sworn enemy to the United States of America, just like al Qaeda. Now, he was a threat because he had terrorist connections, not only al Qaeda connections, but other connections to terrorist organizations."


http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/sprj.irq.bush.iraq/

"He is a danger not only to countries in the region but, as I explained last night, because of his al Qaeda connections, because of his history, he is a danger to Americans," Bush said, referring to Tuesday's State of the Union address. "And we're going to deal with him. We're going to deal with him before it's too late."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021107-7.html
 
THE PRESIDENT: No. I think that -- I think that if you would read the full -- I'm sure he said other sentences. Let me just put it to you, I know George Tenet well. I meet with him every single day. He sees Saddam Hussein as a threat. I don't know what the context of that quote is. I'm telling you, the guy knows what I know, that he is a problem and we must deal with him.
And, you know, it's like people say, oh, we must leave Saddam alone; otherwise, if we did something against him, he might attack us. Well, if we don't do something, he might attack us, and he might attack us with a more serious weapon. The man is a threat, Hutch, I'm telling you. He's a threat not only with what he has, he's a threat with what he's done. He's a threat because he is dealing with al Qaeda. In my Cincinnati speech, I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an al Qaeda-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint. That is a threat. And we're going to deal with it.



He said an "al Qaeda-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint." Al-Queda-type is the key word there, meaning that an organization like Al-Queda can be trained and armed by Saddam to attack the US. Now maybe Americans and the media interpretted that wrong, but that's their own fault really. Politicians play with words all the time. That's their job.

When he refers to CIA reports, then that's the CIA's fault when they get their information wrong. The CIA has been saying Saddam has been involved with terrorists since first gulf war. That's nothing new.

I really don't see your point in arguing this. We are talking about trying to figure out what a president is trying to say who doesn't even have a handle on the English language. I seriously couldn't give a damn. We went to war. Saddam is dead...his sons are dead. There is no use crying over spilt milk. Once it spills, it spills. Now, we have to clean up the mess. The exact words someone said years ago that caused the milk to spill is irrelevant at this point. It isn't going to save lives, it isn't going to stop the war....maybe it will get someone elected??? But other than that it doesn't really mean anything.

And to tell you the truth dude, I dont care. Seriously...I dont.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:33:33 PM   
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In that case ....I think it is nice to know that Iraqi women can sing....back to the op.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:40:42 PM   
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Domiguy, any chance you could tell me the reasons the Clinton administration gave for attacking the Al Shifa complex in Sudan?  Every other leftist I have asked this has run away with out answering.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:41:45 PM   
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/15/bush.alqaeda/

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush repeated his administration's claim that Iraq was in league with al Qaeda under Saddam Hussein's rule, saying Tuesday that fugitive Islamic militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi ties Saddam to the terrorist network.
"Zarqawi's the best evidence of a connection to al Qaeda affiliates and al Qaeda," Bush told reporters at the White House. "He's the person who's still killing."
U.S. intelligence officials have said al Qaeda had some links to Iraq dating back to the early 1990s, but the nature and extent of those contacts is a matter of dispute.


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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:47:57 PM   
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Domiguy, any chance you could tell me the reasons the Clinton administration gave for attacking the Al Shifa complex in Sudan?  Every other leftist I have asked this has run away with out answering.


Clinton is an asshole... why are we talking about him? He did not start this latest adventure in Iraq... that beady eyed little bastard did

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/1/2007 8:56:00 PM   
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Domiguy, any chance you could tell me the reasons the Clinton administration gave for attacking the Al Shifa complex in Sudan?  Every other leftist I have asked this has run away with out answering.


According to Wikipedia, this is what Defense Secretary Cohen told the 9/11 commission:

At the time, the intelligence community at the highest level repeatedly assured us that "it never gets better than this" in terms of confidence in an intelligence conclusion regarding a hard target. There was a good reason for this confidence, including multiple, reinforcing elements of information ranging from links that the organization that built the facility had both with Bin Laden and with the leadership of the Iraqi chemical weapons program; extraordinary security when the facility was constructed; physical evidence from the site; and other information from HUMINT and technical sources. Given what we knew regarding terrorists’ interest in acquiring and using chemical weapons against Americans, and given the intelligence assessment provided us regarding the al-Shifa facility, I continue to believe that destroying it was the right decision.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/2/2007 1:06:07 AM   
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Thank you DC, you you are admitting  that the Clinton administration told us that there was link between Iraq and Al Queda, involving the manufacture of nerve gas(WMD).  Bush did not make this stuff up.  If it was made up, it was from before Bush.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/2/2007 6:40:23 AM   
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According to Wikipedia, this is what Defense Secretary Cohen told the 9/11 commission:

At the time, the intelligence community at the highest level repeatedly assured us that "it never gets better than this" in terms of confidence in an intelligence conclusion regarding a hard target. There was a good reason for this confidence, including multiple, reinforcing elements of information ranging from links that the organization that built the facility had both with Bin Laden and with the leadership of the Iraqi chemical weapons program; extraordinary security when the facility was constructed; physical evidence from the site; and other information from HUMINT and technical sources. Given what we knew regarding terrorists’ interest in acquiring and using chemical weapons against Americans, and given the intelligence assessment provided us regarding the al-Shifa facility, I continue to believe that destroying it was the right decision.


You just gained a terrific amount of credibility in my book, dc. While others here (as in some of the above posts) go to great lengths to hide from the facts, you willingly lay them on the table, and I appreciate that. I get the feeling that you really want to understand and you aren't merely blindly pushing some Leftist agenda like so many others here are... that's different, and somewhat refreshing.

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/2/2007 7:05:48 AM   
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I do not know any true leftists that are clinton supporters... "Leftist Agenda" has nothing to do with Bill Clinton who was the best Republican president we ever had

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RE: Iraqi singer unites country with win - 4/2/2007 7:42:12 AM   
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http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,51052,00.html

Our forces... attacked a factory in Sudan associated with the Bin Laden network," President Clinton told the world on August 20, 1998. "The factory was involved in the production of materials for chemical weapons."
Wrong on both counts, says the plant's owner, and he's going to court to prove it.
The President was referring to a cruise missile strike, which, together with one on Afghanistan, he ordered in retaliation for the bombing of two U.S. embassies in East Africa, bombings that were allegedly authored by reputed super-terrorist Osama Bin Laden. But Salah Idris, who owns the Al Shifa pharmaceuticals plant in Sudan that was destroyed in the attack, has hired a Washington law firm and marshaled evidence to disprove both the chemical weapons charges and the Bin Laden link. His attorney, Stephen Brogan, filed suit in Washington, D.C., Thursday, seeking compensation from the U.S. government.


The difference is "this Bush" recently went on a tv numerous times and said he never said that there was a connection between Saddam and al qaeda ....This is what cyberdude was posting in agreement with...He just figured the guy was telling the truth....He wasn't.... He looked right into the camera and lied....Now Bush was not under oath .....But just like Bill Clinton he told America a lie.  Knowingly, and he could care less about  any ramifications.

All I'm saying is don't we deserve better as a people?

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