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Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 7:42:23 PM   
DragonXPhoenix


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Status: offline 		I know this is a long shot, but please email me if you are knowledgeable about the nutrients contained in fruits and vegetables.  I'm interested in exploring the possiblity of substituting common multi-vitamins with fruits and vegetables.  Is this possible?  If so, which ones and in what quantities?  I am pretty knowledgeable about nutrition, but I'm trying to fill in the holes in my understanding of this.  I'm not looking at starting a crazy in depth discussion or a gazillion posts.  Basically, if I own a juicer....what's the secret formula to produce a multi-vitamin drink?  That's the real question.
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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 7:49:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Although I'm not a nutricionist, I understand that it is very hard to have "ballanced" diet. Particularly since fruits and vegetables do not supply you with all the vitamins in sufficient amounts. Particularly the B-vitamins, which are primarly found in meats (or beer ). If you are going to do this, I would suggest you talk to a nutritionist (aside from what information you migh garner here), because they will be able to provide you with the best advice.

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 7:53:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right....I eat plenty of protein mainly via chicken and fish unless I'm supplementing.  I'm curious to see if it's even possible to replace a multivitamin via "natural" means.  I have several recipes, but none of them have a calorie or nutrional breakdown.

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:00:08 PM   
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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:03:57 PM   
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Right....I eat plenty of protein mainly via chicken and fish unless I'm supplementing.  I'm curious to see if it's even possible to replace a multivitamin via "natural" means.  I have several recipes, but none of them have a calorie or nutrional breakdown.

Oh, yes, it's perfectly possible. In fact, I know people who do it.

Techincally speaking, you don't "need" all the vitamins that you get with supliments. By the same logic that you don't "need" to change your car oil every 5,000/10,000 km. It's just much better if you have a steady imput of vitamins.

(there very rarely is any concern about having too much, because your body is very efficient at eliminating them)

Although possible, it is kind of difficult. That's why it's best you talk to a nutritionist, and make sure you are in a place where you can get good fruit and vegetable variety.

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:14:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok...as far as doing both...sure...I could do that to ensure completeness, but that sort of takes away from the idea of doing it myself.

as far as the changing the oil analogy....it's my understanding that there is a belief that some of the vitamins and minerals found in a mutlivitamin are not applied properly within your body because they are not naturally occurring....they are rejected, kind of like an organ transplant recipient.  With them the DNA has to somewhat match.

as far as the elimination factor, you are techincally talking about your digestive system and specifically your kidneys.  I don't think it's wise to overload your kidneys (or liver) forcing them to filter large amounts of nutrients out of your body (such as some vitamins that contain 3000% of the daily recommended dosages)...and besides...your paying to piss them out.  What's the sense in that?

so....

back to the original question....is it possible to have a ballanced diet with common fruits and vegetables, and if so what's the recipe to achieve the proper ratios?

thanks for the responses though...I like stimulating conversation, and I'm not trying to shut anyone down here.  I actually expected very little (if any) response to this one.

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:22:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you to www.fitday.com and put in the foods you want to eat then click "reports" then "nutrition" it will tell you if it meets the RDA of most vitamins and where it is deficient.

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't know the "recipie", but I could ask a couple of friends. Most of it has to do with variety. Like carrotine from sweetpotatoes, and vitamine K from grapefruit.

Yes, there is that belief. How accurate it is, I will not judge. I should point out that it is very hard to overload your hepatic or renal system with nutrients. Yes, it is a waste if you do, but most vitamin supliments do not have you DRV, let alone too much. (Of course there are special supliments for "loading", for people with deficiencies or people wishing to boost something in their body -like bodybuilders).

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:30:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok....thanks proud sub.  Now we are getting somewhere.  I use other websites, but they only track calories and breakdowns of calories.  This one actually tracks the nitty gritty...thank you very much!

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:32:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		so incase anyone stumbles across this in the future....the website tracks:





The Nutrients FitDay Tracks

Fat
Saturated Fat
Polyunsaturated Fat

Monounsaturated Fat
Cholesterol
Sodium

Potassium
Carbohydrates
Dietary Fiber

Protein
Vitamin A
Vitamin C

Calcium
Iron
Vitamin D

Vitamin E
Thiamin
Riboflavin

Niacin
Vitamin B6
Folate

Vitamin B12
Phosphorus
Magnesium

Zinc
Copper
Water

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:50:36 PM   
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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 8:55:14 PM   
DragonXPhoenix


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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/30/2007 11:07:47 PM   
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I know this is a long shot, but please email me if you are knowledgeable about the nutrients contained in fruits and vegetables.  I'm interested in exploring the possiblity of substituting common multi-vitamins with fruits and vegetables.  Is this possible?  If so, which ones and in what quantities?  I am pretty knowledgeable about nutrition, but I'm trying to fill in the holes in my understanding of this.  I'm not looking at starting a crazy in depth discussion or a gazillion posts.  Basically, if I own a juicer....what's the secret formula to produce a multi-vitamin drink?  That's the real question.


A place I found back when doing the nutrition section of a nursing course is:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/main/site_main.htm?modecode=12354500
The page gives you the option to search the database on-line, or to download the software and the database (it's a long download at dial-up speed, but it was worth it to me at the time) so you can search the database off-line.

It doesn't have quite the pizzazz that some other searches may have, but makes up for that by standardizing everything I can think of that one might need to know about foods.  It even lists some of the fast food places products and items.

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/31/2007 3:14:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've recently started taking a multi-vitamin along with a C and E supplement because my diet sucks lately and I've noticed it helps with fatigue and malaise.  If I'm stressed and stuff or feel like I'm getting sick, I tend to take viatmins.

In general, its a bad idea to depend on vitamins to supply adequate nutrition.  The food pyramid (just google food pyramid) is a good enough guide to what you should eat in what quantities.  Variety is the key.  Fruits and vetables will provide A and C and lots of other good stuff. 

Don't worry about having a balanced diet every day or even every meal, but think in terms of weeks and try to balance over the course of a week.  I'll eat meat one night for dinner with no veggies and all veggies the next.  I also go with my cravings.  If I'm craving meat, I eat meat.  If I'm craving vegatables, I eat vegatables etc.

Whole foods have the advantages over synthetic vitamins because there's a lot of micronutrients that nutritionists don't understand and they provide complex carbohydrates and fiber.  Humans have been eating food forever and we've evolved to eat food.  Vitamins have only been around for about 100 years and the human body is way too complex for science to understand in any detail.




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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/31/2007 3:56:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I heard on the radio the other day or half heard because I was looking out of my kitchen window at a beautiful clewavage below. Anyway, it said that the body doesn't absorb most of the nutrients in tablet form that are bought in health shops and that people are wasting their money. Something to do with how the metabolism works but as I said, not only was the cleavage beautiful but so was her rear cleft. It seems to me a little sun and a half undressed member of the opposite sex does more to perk me up than nutrients, which I always eat fresh anyway. I've never trusted pills of any description.

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/31/2007 5:23:47 AM   
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Particularly the B-vitamins, which are primarly found in meats (or beer ).


I really do not know where you got your information but you are only half correct.
Here is a list of the correct sources for B vitamins.

Vitamin B comes from a number of natural sources, including potatoes, bananas, lentils, chilli peppers, tempeh, liver, turkey, and tuna. Nutritional yeast (or brewer's yeast) is an especially good source of Vitamin B. The iconic Australian spread Vegemite bills itself as "one of the world's richest known sources of vitamin B". As might be expected, due to its high content of brewer's yeast, beer is a good source of B vitamins, although this may not be true of filtered beers. However, the alcohol in beer impairs the body's ability to activate vitamins. In fact, beer is sometimes referred to as "liquid bread".

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/31/2007 12:40:25 PM   
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How about Bear Claws?

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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/31/2007 1:03:05 PM   
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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/31/2007 6:59:38 PM   
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RE: Fruits and Vegetables and nutrition.... - 3/31/2007 7:54:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DragonXPhoenix

Right....I eat plenty of protein mainly via chicken and fish unless I'm supplementing.  I'm curious to see if it's even possible to replace a multivitamin via "natural" means.  I have several recipes, but none of them have a calorie or nutrional breakdown.


Do a google search for vitamin contents in foods.

I have not really taken vitamin supplements in 25 years.  I eat a fairly wide variety of foods.  I would say for you to read about different things and eat what makes sense to you.  We are descended from hunter-gatherer peoples who ate a wide variety of things and tended to eat by "grazing," as opposed to 3 hot meals a day.

Taking one example, the minimum daily requirement of vitamin D  is 400 international units.  This amount of vitamin D will prevent rickets.  A naked person in full sunlight produces about 10,000 to 20,000 international units of Vitamin D.  The IU recommendation is based on a medical certainty that rickets can be prevented by 400iu, but it is not based on a study of how much vitamin D is appropriate for proper health.

There was a Scientific American Report issue which dealt with foods.  It basically pointed out that most of
the dietary recommendations expounded by the FDA are from culinary recommendations from the 13th century.

Hope this helps.

Sinergy

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