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Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/25/2007 11:31:13 PM   
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Has enough time passed for another Gore-thread? 

Found this today, and thought it was interesting:

24% Consider Al Gore Global Warming Expert


Former Vice President Al Gore (D) received a warm welcome on Capitol Hill last week for his testimony on the environment and Global Warming. However, while he is now an Academy Award winner and celebrity activist, just 24% of Americans consider Gore an expert on Global Warming. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of 1,000 adults found that 47% say he is not an expert on the topic

In fact, just 36% of Americans say that Gore knows what he is talking about when it comes to the environment and Global Warming. Thirty-one percent (31%) say he does not know what he is talking about while 33% are not sure. Women, by a 2-to-1 margin, say Gore knows what he is talking about. Men, by a similar margin, say he does not.

I thought this was pretty funny:

Appearing before a Congressional Committee, Gore said that Global Warming is “not a partisan issue; it’s a moral issue.

I thought it was a scientific issue?

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 5:24:02 AM   
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How to develop a network of Orbital Solar Power/Beamed Microwave satellites is a scientific challenge.

Having the foresight, and balls to actually get off your ass and DO IT is a moral issue.

I still say the Nayers are exactly as wrong as the Yeaers, because BOTH OF THEM are talking out their asses, without the benefit of any comprehensive scientific framework for any discussion.

Once we have a clue WHICH MODELS show us things which are both TRUE and USEFUL, ( i.e.: Usable to draw meaningful conclusions ) and have collected data, then it's time for the debate.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 9:14:03 AM   
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Once we have a clue WHICH MODELS show us things which are both TRUE and USEFUL, ( i.e.: Usable to draw meaningful conclusions ) and have collected data, then it's time for the debate.

And if by then it is too late to stop won't waiting until we were certain been fairly silly.

I still want to know which part of these facts skeptics don't believe are true:

1) CO2 concentrations in the lower atmosphere have increased from about 280ppm in 1800 to more than 360ppm today.

2) The above change in composition of the lower atmosphere allows the lower atmosphere to retain more heat.

3) The source of the CO2 is primarily human activity.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 9:56:36 AM   
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Once we have a clue WHICH MODELS show us things which are both TRUE and USEFUL, ( i.e.: Usable to draw meaningful conclusions ) and have collected data, then it's time for the debate.

And if by then it is too late to stop won't waiting until we were certain been fairly silly.

I still want to know which part of these facts skeptics don't believe are true:

1) CO2 concentrations in the lower atmosphere have increased from about 280ppm in 1800 to more than 360ppm today.

2) The above change in composition of the lower atmosphere allows the lower atmosphere to retain more heat.

3) The source of the CO2 is primarily human activity.


The jury is still out on that one.  It is more accurate to say that humans are a significant contributor than the primary contributor.

Mt Saint Helens pumped out more emissions in 1982(?) than all the automobiles in history have generated and that's only one of the dozen or so major volcanoes in the last 30 years.  The earth heats up and it cools down (we had a mini ice age only a couple of hundred years ago, before cars, factories, etc. etc.)  Do humans have an affect?  Yes.  Are we the sole problem?  No.

Should we control what pollutants we put into the ground, air and water - of course.  But the mantra of "humans are the ultimate evil" is old, tired, and a bunch of B.S. (which is also a greenhouse gas)

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 10:11:02 AM   
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The general population is pretty stupid.


Poll: Bush And Kerry Tied

NEW YORK, Oct. 4, 2004








(CBS) In the days after what most voters saw as a clear win for him in the first presidential debate, Senator John Kerry has bounced back -- his overall ratings have improved and the presidential race has tightened once again. The Democratic candidate and President George W. Bush are tied: 47 percent of likely voters support Kerry, and 47 percent support George W. Bush. In a CBS News Poll conducted the week before the debate, the Bush-Cheney ticket held a nine-                                                                point lead over Kerry and his running mate John Edwards among likely voters.

WAS SADDAM HUSSEIN PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11?
(Registered Voters)
Yes
Now 33%
9/2004 39%
5/2003 51%
9/2002 49%

No
Now 56%
9/2004 51%
5/2003 38%
9/2002 35%   See how times can change the public's interpretations...Who knows what the public opinion of Gore will be in the future?



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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 12:07:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ToGiveDivine

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Once we have a clue WHICH MODELS show us things which are both TRUE and USEFUL, ( i.e.: Usable to draw meaningful conclusions ) and have collected data, then it's time for the debate.

And if by then it is too late to stop won't waiting until we were certain been fairly silly.

I still want to know which part of these facts skeptics don't believe are true:

1) CO2 concentrations in the lower atmosphere have increased from about 280ppm in 1800 to more than 360ppm today.

2) The above change in composition of the lower atmosphere allows the lower atmosphere to retain more heat.

3) The source of the CO2 is primarily human activity.


The jury is still out on that one.  It is more accurate to say that humans are a significant contributor than the primary contributor.

Mt Saint Helens pumped out more emissions in 1982(?) than all the automobiles in history have generated and that's only one of the dozen or so major volcanoes in the last 30 years.  The earth heats up and it cools down (we had a mini ice age only a couple of hundred years ago, before cars, factories, etc. etc.)  Do humans have an affect?  Yes.  Are we the sole problem?  No.

Should we control what pollutants we put into the ground, air and water - of course.  But the mantra of "humans are the ultimate evil" is old, tired, and a bunch of B.S. (which is also a greenhouse gas)

Mt. St. Helens released a lot of gases but more CO2 than all cars ever? Do you have a source for that fertilizer?

I can't find any data to indicate even roughly how much CO2 was released in 1980 but I found several sources indicating a long term worldwide average emission of 5X10^11 kg of CO2 per year due to vulcanism.

A midsize car (28 mpg) in 2002 produced 198 g CO2/km. Generously accepting that that is the average emission per vehicle and assuming 5000 miles/year driven per vehicle ( 20 miles/day * 5 days a week * 50 weeks/year ). So it would require 500 million cars on the road to produce the amount attributable to vulcanism. Now we all know that modern cars produce less CO2 due to having better gas mileage and that many of the miles driven every year are in cars/SUV's/trucks with much worse mpg than the 28 that I used in the above calculation. Therefore every year auto emissions roughly equal volcanic emissions of CO2 at least.

Now if all the other sources of man made CO2 are factored in studies indicate that net human CO2 emissions are 1.76X10^13 kg. Which is somewhat in excess of 200 times the amount contributed by vulcanism per year.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 12:14:06 PM   
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just 24% of Americans consider Gore an expert on Global Warming.



Pretty funny, actually.

24% of uneducated or uninformed Americans consider Al Gore an expert on global warming.

Yet you believe this survey has any relevance to anything, as opposed to being an idiotic talking point
which some biased faction can use to prove up is down or whatever.

Why dont you provide a survey of reputable global warming scientists who are peer-reviewed, who claim that Al Gore is completely incorrect about every aspect of global warming, and actually prove something?  

Would make a lot more sense then putting much credence into a lot of ignorant people's answers to a phone survey.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 12:17:28 PM   
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Before you decide to get all caustic.

I dont consider Al Gore an expert on global warming.

I consider him a well-informed and intelligent politician. 

I also consider him somebody willing to use his political connections to do something about a problem which reputable scientists consider something that should have something done about it.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 12:23:26 PM   
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Is this the guy that started all of the kajira crap....If so, Firmhand is right, he really is an idiot.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 12:31:30 PM   
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Why dont you provide a survey of reputable global warming scientists who are peer-reviewed, who claim that Al Gore is completely incorrect about every aspect of global warming, and actually prove something?  


Wouldn't a survey of "global warming scientists" only have one expectation, reputable or not? To be a "global warming scientist" you must already have equity invested into the industry. It would be similar to a survey of Chiropractors surveyed on the merits of spinal manipulation to cure asthma.

Would the opinions of an "ex-global warming scientist" have any merit?
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In the 1980s and early 1990s, when concern about global warming was in its infancy, little was known about the mechanics of how it could occur, or the consequences that could befall us. Since then, governments throughout the western world and bodies such as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have commissioned billions of dollars worth of research by thousands of scientists. With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.
Source: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388 


Yeah it's only one source, but in reading the entire series apparently there are many others:
The full Deniers series
Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
[/link][link=http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=b228f4b0-a869-4f85-ba08-902b95c45dcf&k=0]Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI
[/link][link=http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/story.html?id=975f250d-ca5d-4f40-b687-a1672ed1f684]Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 12:34:36 PM   
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Well, you have to consider that Reverand Gore has a corporation that will benefit greatly financially if he can get a few laws changed.
It's funny when his voice rises in pitch like that other Reverand "The Reverand" Jesse Jackson!
"I would NEVVvver.!"
"You can NOT petition the LOOOOOORD with prayer!"
Yeah, the Reverand Gore has got it down pat, doesn't he?

I didn't hear any "scientific facts" from him at that hearing last week, just emotional rhetoric.
Does he have any background in science?
Or, as usual a "degree" in political science or law?

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 6:26:48 PM   
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Appearing before a Congressional Committee, Gore said that Global Warming is “not a partisan issue; it’s a moral issue.


I thought it was a scientific issue?

FirmKY


(Silly motherfucker).

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 7:03:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Appearing before a Congressional Committee, Gore said that Global Warming is “not a partisan issue; it’s a moral issue.


I thought it was a scientific issue?

FirmKY


(Silly motherfucker).


I thought it was "Silly Rabbit ... " 



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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 9:54:59 PM   
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guy must be really good, he invented the internet too!  a jack off all trades!

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/26/2007 11:22:29 PM   
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":a jack off all trades"

Nice.

Merc, I am not reading all that, it is simply  not necessary.

Let's blow down the Terminator path a bit here.

Al Gore has no credibility with me, and he shares that status with most "experts". I don't care how mant letters he has after his name, all that proves is he was smart enough to memorize enough answers to pass a test, or could buy the answers. Today a degree means nothing to me. You prove intelligence with your words and wit. And ABILITIES.

OK, global warming. Forget about Gore and let's get on to that. Each and every one of us is a CO2 factory. A long time ago, the symbiotic relationship between animals and plants was set up. They uncombine the O2 for us, we recombine it into CO2 for them. Actually plants need O2 for part of the cycle, so don't go thinking about a big bag over your garden.

Thing is CO2 is only one aspect of global warning, and failing to see this is typical of the educated idiots who are handed the reigns to power. They do not have the capability to think, and put things into perspective. That is expected nowadays, so now they rely on advisors who are just as misled.

Getting real here, putting CO2 into the air does not create nor produce heat in any way. But they say that more CO2 somehow changes the amount of energy from the sun that is trapped within our biosphere. This is true, I do not dispute it at all, but I think they fail to put it in perspective.

In the beginning, each of our bodies was a heat producer. Humans are warm blooded and as such, must dissipate heat almost continuously. Every action we take, muscle movement we make, converts our food into heat energy. This process warms each of the billions of breaths we exhale in our lifetimes. Even at our overpopulated level of today, Mother nature could probably handle it just fine, if we treated the environment right in other ways.

There are two things people do not realize, and one is that we will have an impact on the environment, but as part of the environment, so be it. We live here too.

The other thing people do not realize is that we cannot effectively remove our influence from the environment. To try is ridiculous, we need alot better science to do anything of the sort. Let the oil money men get all the money then we can work on it.

Here's the thing. When you burn anything you make heat, but this process is not apparent to people anymore. Your furnace runs, there is a flame, even a high efficiency adds heat to the biosphere. You turn on a stove, start your car, even turn on an air conditioner, it all makes heat. Almost everything, go ahead and say "I have a totally electric hiouse", well somewhere, heat is produced to provide your precious wattage. What's more even an air conditioner does not remove heat, it just moves it. It moves it outside. In fact it makes more heat in doing the job.

And so does the power plant that feeds it the power.

Cool your house, make heat, heat your house, make heat, drive your car, make heat. Almost no matter what you do, you make heat.

Even in the stealth bomber, with the cooled exhaust, the heat cannot be destroyed, it is sent upward to avoid detection. That is the only place for it to go. Even a Peltier device does not remove heat, it only moves it.

No matter what you do you make heat. Has anyone done a study on just how much of this problem is NOT caused by CO2 ?

This is typical of society, in medicine they only want to treat the symptoms, figure out your own reasons, but when it comes to something like this, that is technically alot more important, they look for underlying causes. And they MAKE SURE that they look in the wrong places.

Refute it.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/27/2007 3:41:21 AM   
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Mt Saint Helens pumped out more emissions in 1982(?) than all the automobiles in history have generated and that's only one of the dozen or so major volcanoes in the last 30 years.


Do you have an actual scientific source for that?  Because try as I might I have never been able to find one.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/27/2007 3:34:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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Appearing before a Congressional Committee, Gore said that Global Warming is “not a partisan issue; it’s a moral issue.



I thought it was a scientific issue?

FirmKY


(Silly motherfucker).


I thought it was "Silly Rabbit ... " 





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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/27/2007 3:36:17 PM   
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guy must be really good, he invented the internet too!  a jack off all trades!


That is such crap...I invented the internet...and I don't want to hear any more shit about it.

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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/27/2007 3:46:50 PM   
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guy must be really good, he invented the internet too!  a jack off all trades!


That is such crap...I invented the internet...and I don't want to hear any more shit about it.


i knew i couldnt trust him!


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RE: Gore: The 24% Expert - 3/27/2007 4:40:46 PM   
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I'll make the damn jokes around here...you got the fiiiiiine chic....(I think you got the better deal).




Thank you.

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