Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo

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Real0ne -> Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/25/2007 10:15:32 PM)
CCR FILES DAMAGES COMPLAINT FOR FORMER GUANTÁNAMO DETAINEES AMENDED COMPLAINT INCLUDES MEN HELD FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THEY WERE FOUND NOT TO BE ENEMY COMBATANTS BY TRIBUNALS AND NAMES ENTIRE MILITARY CHAIN OF COMMAND AS DEFENDANTS Synopsis On March 21, 2007, attorneys at the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) added new plaintiffs and new defendants to a lawsuit seeking damages and declaratory relief for five released Guantánamo detainees who spent years in captivity under abusive conditions at the offshore prison camp. The suit is brought against former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers, and dozens of others, including civilian and military personnel at Guantánamo. It charges that the Pentagon chain of command authorized and condoned torture and other mistreatment in violation of the Alien Tort Statute, the Vienna Convention, the U.S. Constitution, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the Federal Civil Rights Act. None of the former detainees has ever been a member of any terrorist group, and all were released without being charged with any crime. The suit was filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. CCR, which represents many of the detainees at Guantánamo and coordinates the work of nearly 500 pro bono attorneys, filed http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=gI1AaxchtA&Content=973

farglebargle -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 5:09:36 AM)
Good thing all the US Attorneys left are "Loyal Bushies", eh?

popeye1250 -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 1:25:11 PM)
I hope none of my Taxdollars are involved in this. I'd like to be on that jury, "Not Guilty."

farglebargle -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 1:27:01 PM)
How do you immediately get "Not Guilty" for torturing innocent people?

popeye1250 -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 1:38:36 PM)
Fargle, those savages aren't covered under the Geneva Conventions. We can run them over with bulldozers if we want. I want to see pictures of them in Butt Pyramids!

farglebargle -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 1:52:33 PM)
See that UNITED STATES FLAG flying over Gitmo? See the Cuba/America Treaty? See the US Jurisdiction in Gitmo. Go read the 14th Amendment, see where the word Jurisdiction shows up. Geneva's got nothing to do with it. IF it's the US Government doing it, then it must be Constitutional. If it's not Constitutional, the US Government has NO BUSINESS DOING IT. So, show me in the Constitution where The People have delegated the authority to run torture camps?

popeye1250 -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 2:06:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle See that UNITED STATES FLAG flying over Gitmo? See the Cuba/America Treaty? See the US Jurisdiction in Gitmo. Go read the 14th Amendment, see where the word Jurisdiction shows up. Geneva's got nothing to do with it. IF it's the US Government doing it, then it must be Constitutional. If it's not Constitutional, the US Government has NO BUSINESS DOING IT. So, show me in the Constitution where The People have delegated the authority to run torture camps? Fargle, I'LL go down and run it! This is a military prison not one of those cupcake state prisons! These fuckin lawyers are trying for a big PAYDAY with our Taxdollars! THAT'S what this is all about and you can bet you're fuckin shoelaces that they'll be "Jury Shopping." What do those savages have to do with the American flag besides the fact that they're probably wiped their asses with it? They should put them in helocopters and take them out to sea 40 miles and push them out for shark bait!

farglebargle -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 2:40:42 PM)
The American Flag denotes American Jurisdiction. THAT means that all the limits placed upon the Government by The People are in play. Keep that in mind. LAWFULLY, the only things the Feds can do, is what we EXPLICITLY told them they can do. Since we've never told them they can deprive Equal Protection and Due Process, then they cannot.

popeye1250 -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 3:23:31 PM)
Fargle, those savages are not U.S. Citizens. They wearn't "in uniform" so they can be shot as spies at anytime. I'm surprised that they haven't turned them into sushi for the sharks already. They must be done getting information out of them by now. Fuck 'em. Time to wax up the ropes. What's next, the lawyers suing to get them welfare checks? The lawyers are looking for a Payday!

KenDckey -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 3:53:47 PM)
The US Flag does not necessarily denote jurisdiction. It doesn't even necessarily denote the presence of Americans. On 9/11 there were how many American Flags flown then burned in the Arab World? If Jurisdiction was indicated then we were totally justified in going back and taking over the entire mid-east (preferably one country at a time) because they fall under our jurisdiction. When I was in Holland, both years, we flew the American Flag. It was flown on the left of the Dutch flag at all times. It was their jurisdiction (It was only ours when the 82nd Airborne made it ours in 1944). The detainees are not enemy soldiers. They are not POWs. Spys possibly Could they be shot, probably. Are they covered under international treaty no. The 14th Amendment does not apply to everyone. If it did, we would have way many more states and territories than we do now.

farglebargle -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 4:47:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Fargle, those savages are not U.S. Citizens. They wearn't "in uniform" so they can be shot as spies at anytime. I'm surprised that they haven't turned them into sushi for the sharks already. They must be done getting information out of them by now. Fuck 'em. Time to wax up the ropes. What's next, the lawyers suing to get them welfare checks? The lawyers are looking for a Payday! Go read the article. These are people unlawfully held for years WHO HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM GITMO.

farglebargle -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 4:49:05 PM)
quote: The 14th Amendment does not apply to everyone You must be one of these "The Constitution GIVES US RIGHTS" people, eh?

dcnovice -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 7:24:52 PM)
quote: The detainees are not enemy soldiers. They are not POWs. Spys possibly Could they be shot, probably. Are they covered under international treaty no. Ultimately, though, I think the real question Gitmo raises is not what kind of people the detainees are. It's what kind of people we are.

Termyn8or -> RE: Charges Filed That Pentagon Authorized and Condoned Torture at Gitmo (3/26/2007 8:08:31 PM)
popeye; What if they took four years of YOUR life away and later just said "You can go now". No apology no nuthin, you can go now. You used to be a productive member of society, but now you are homeless and penniless. Why don't you take a crack at it. If it happened to me I would persue BILLIONS from those MFs. Just what do you want to save those tax dollars for, bombs to destrroy more hospitals, TV stations and apartment buildings in the middle east ? You Sir have some explaining to do, unless you want to continue to be percieved as a person who has not adopted objectivity in his thinking, or is so bigoted that you think that people from other countries can be deemed sub-human. Or both. Either that or you are either a militant Christian and or a Zionist ally. Which is it ? If there is another possibility of which I am unaware, please make your point. I would appreciate your enlightenment at any time. And don't try to use the patriotism card, you do not have it. You might think you are patriotic, but you are misled about what that means. And don't give me love it or leave it type of shit, you wanna live like it was under Bolshevik rule in Russia, YOU leave it. I will stay and try to change it, to make it better. It is very sick right now, and our brightest and best leaving now is not good for the country. I wanna know from YOU, how YOU justify throwing someone in jail for 4 years without trial or charges ruining their life. I wanna know how YOU would feel if it happened to you. Would YOU just forgive them and start to rebuild ? I think not. I think you would go running for those exact same lawyers. I would want every last dollar I could scrape out of it, I would want the greediest lawyers I could find, working on a percentage of course. But the thing is, I admit it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, that is agreed. But there are those times when one must justify or explain those opinions, and I believe this is one of those times. I can justify and explain my opinions on this matter, can you ? I'll be waiting. T

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