RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion



Message

akisha -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 9:25:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


the first this slave was ever referred to as "masochist" was when she insisted on pharmaceutical-free labor and delivery.
 


<grin> I did 3 of my 4 trips down that road pharmaceutical-free and 1 with an IV dose of pain med. I actually did much better on the 3 than the 1. I was able to process it, work through it and it felt better. Maybe weird, but that's how it was for me.

It always amazes me, the differences in how people will process the same or similar sensations.


Not me, hehe during the last stage of labour I demanded an extra shot even though the nurse said I had just had one. I tell ya when you give them the "look" they offer up the drugs no problem LOL



mixielicous -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 9:27:56 AM)

i dont know if i would call myself a masochist, even though i like pain to a degree. maybe i just have yet to accept it. i find that my skin is extremely sensitive, to all sensations, not just pain. i would say i have a low to medium threshold but i build up tolerance very quickly [that can last days] and by the end of the scene can develop a high threshold.



mistoferin -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 9:29:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vield
I have often heard submissives speaking in awe of the amount of pain they've seen others take


As a submissive who has often been approached by other submissives who are in "awe" I must say that I think that there is far too much emphasis put upon and respect or "awe" given to those of us who can seem to endure and gain pleasure from the far end of the pain spectrum. I have also seen those who can withstand vast amounts of pain who seem to claim it as some sort of merit badge or means of validation....and sometimes even use it to belittle those who can't. This should never be a contest. Far more important than the level of pain or intensity endured should be the overall enjoyment and fulfillment of the people at play.



drawntothedark -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 9:39:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vield

I have often heard submissives speaking in awe of the amount of pain they've seen others


For me it's not so much in awe of them. Their scene lasts longer sometimes because they can take more so there is no reason to stop it. Perhaps I am in awe of their endurance rather than their tolerance?



SweetSarijane -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 9:47:21 AM)

I've been approached like that as well by people who've seen me play. I do it because I enjoy it, it feels good and I love having the pain boundaries pushed. I don't feel I'm better than another because I can take more pain or like more pain than they do, though I've encountered those who are like that and seem to get a fix from putting down those who don't seem to be as extreme as they are or think they are. I do what I enjoy and consent to and I greatly enjoy watching all kinds of different scenes. Each one is unique and beautiful and awesome in it's own way whether it's a pain scene or bondage or sensual or what have you.



DominaSmartass -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 10:07:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Nope- they have a high "pain conversion into pleasure" threshhold.

I have a fairly high pain tolerance- but it's still always pain for me.  I don't convert it into pleasure and I don't want it or crave it or enjoy it when it's happening to me.

A persons pain tolerance is IMO unrelated to their tolerance of pain-to-pleasure conversion.


Interesting, LA. So why is it that you would engage in pain play, assuming you do? What's in it for you? I'm really interested in this. Thanks.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 10:09:57 AM)

Erin I agree.  I do find it to the detriment that everyone is so obsessed with limits, pushing them, having them, not having them, doing more/better/deeper/intense.

Not that pushing limits is in itself bad, nor is wanting to take more- but using it as some guide of progress in a relationship and making it an issue is pretty much as bad as using being at an office from 8-midnight everyday as a measure of a better employee.



Bearlee -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 10:13:57 AM)

Wow, an interesting topic. 
 
I thought first I would find a definition for the word.  This is what I found on Merriam-Webster online regarding Masochism:
 
1 : a sexual perversion characterized by pleasure in being subjected to pain or humiliation especially by a love object -- compare SADISM
2 : pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering
 
This is also what I understood being Masochistic meant…not a love of pain; but sexual pleasure at being subjected to pain or humiliation…and/or the pleasure of being abused (used?) and dominated.  I do like that!!!
 
As far as the actual pain, like so many others I find it subjective.  When I first began playing, I was aghast at the cuts and welts I saw some receive.  However, after playing with very experienced Dominants who understood the use of endorphins and who knew how to ‘ramp’ a girl up enough to take more and more pain…I found I could easily go home with a back so cut up I should have received first aid for a day or two.
 
Today, I’ve tried to cut back on that kind of play because I live alone and cannot reach places on my back that can become fairly filleted.  Also, I’m with a Dominant who is not accustomed to such edgy play, apparently…and who thinks two need to spend time learning each other before moving into leaving marks of that kind.  What I’ve discovered is: how much pain I can enjoy has seriously been reduced!
 
He was playing the other day and smacked me once across the butt with a new crop he bought.  I came up from a reclining position so fast I nearly fell down!  Lordy…it HURT!!!   He explained that he’d played with masochistic submissives who enjoyed the kind of edgy play I do…and to the point that they did not like to include that warm-up to get endorphins flowing, either!  Sheeshhhhhhhh  Not me!!!
 
While I’ve been called a pain slut for my entire ‘bdsm career’, I can see how much I can take at any given time is certainly…subjective.  Still, as I’ve always contended…it is more about service for me, anyway.  I really do not know how to move pain to pleasure; it is standing for the beating that I enjoy; pleasing Him.  Ya know?  Well, that and enduring serious embarrassment should he tease or humiliate me.  Who knew I’d like that so much? 
 
My oh my…
b



Devilslilsister -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 10:23:56 AM)

Pain is very odd for me.  "Vanilla" pain i can take like a champ and can almost be an issue at times.  I have no way of monitering, damage control, i think.  Like i fell down a 2 story flight of cement steps, holding my dog, so i techinically went down head first, and landed on my head, with nothing to protect myself.  (i was busy protecting the dog)  And i wasnt in pain.  Dazed, but not in pain.  Even though i was missing skin in several places.  Lots of instances like that. 

Yet Master can take out a paddle and wack my bottom and i'm hopping all over the place, rubbing the spot and saying "ow ow ow ow"  i seem to have a very low low low pain tolerance with him. 

i also oddly hate pain.  Its miserable to me, yet my body seems to be traitorous and some how enjoys it.......

obviously, i'm still really confused by the whole topic on pain = )



Missokyst -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 10:42:43 AM)

I always found it odd that so many people are obsessed with pushing someones limits.  Why is it necessary?  It is as if, they are not content unless they have gone beyond your prior partner.  Why not enjoy it for its own sake, and not base it on a comparison of something you have done before?
I have felt pain and come back for more.  And I have been touched on the arm with a violet wand which is not painful, and dropped to the ground.  Pain is relative as is pleasure. 
I would much rather enjoy who my partner is as a man, than think to myself.. yes, but he hasn't pushed my limits farther.
Kyst 
quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Erin I agree.  I do find it to the detriment that everyone is so obsessed with limits, pushing them, having them, not having them, doing more/better/deeper/intense.




WorldofSilence -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 10:53:19 AM)

This is a interesting post.

I'm not a masocist, but l hate pain and at the same time l can handle alot of it, when l'm in alot of pain l tend to laugh [&:] I do however have a sadist streak, and l enjoy the expressions caused through pain.

I would however be interested in exploring it when (positive reinforcement) l find a girl, so this has been interesting to read. Hopefully one day l'll have something more constructive to add, again another excellent post.. I tend to home in on posts witten by KnightofMists, so cheers.

WoS



aurora31 -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 11:01:25 AM)

I am not even so sure I would cause myself a true masochist...but I do have strong masochistic tendencies. Yes I like pain and up to a certain point which varies from day to day I can convert it into pleasure. But I also get tons of pleasure in being pushed past the point where it is pleasurable. To the point where it just plain F***ing hurts. I get joy from enduring the pain, I get even more joy from the look of pleasure on the D-types face. Or the words of praise and encouragement I receive in exchange for suffering for them or giving then my pain. Yeah I love sadists the more sadistic the better..lol.

Now that said I really don't think that pain tolerances have anything to do with being masochistic. Like so many others here have said it is being able to convert what ever level of pain you can handle into pleasure. I myself am told I am a heavy player and I can take lots...but that is in the eyes of the one saying those words, what I may call heavy you might call light or visa versa. Am I a true masochist? That I don't know. Does it really matter weather I am or not? I don't think so as long as I am happy with what I am doing, any label I may or may not give myself does not really matter in the end.

aurora



viperess -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 11:03:27 AM)

Greetings,
This is a very interesting thread, thank you for starting it. For myself i will say i do enjoy the feel of the flogger, crop, cat, Masters hands or teeth...i guess i do have a high pain tolerance but a lot of that is due to the fact that i find pleasure in the pain He gives me. Just as a sceen may start out not as intense but builds in its intensity so do the feelings inside me. After a real intense flogging i will melt to the floor in a puddle...but thats just me. i will admit though there are a few times if i am not centered in my slavery, if i allow outside problems to distract me that in turn it affects my pain level but other wise i do love the feel of leather across my body.
Respectfully,



darchChylde -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 11:03:44 AM)

i myself am not really a masochist; i like pain as a sensationm but it doesn't turn me on

my love of pain comes from my personal evolution, i love to conquer pain... i seek to feel and overcome it, not  seperate myself from it

it's completely an ego thing for me... i like to be able to tell myself "hey, i took that and i can take much more"



Missokyst -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 11:14:14 AM)

Ahh.. the true meaning.  I generally run from the true definitions, but in this case I do think that some people are hardwired toward masochism.  To enjoy pain as a stimulant in a sensual way feels like it could be normal to me.  To crave pain as a coping skill seems darker, more pyschologically bent than sensuality.  Some people can be situational masochists given the right partner and activity.  And then there are people who seek out what might be considered dangerous, just to ride that edge of darkness.  For me, that feels like masochism in its most basic form. 
Most of the time, situational masochism works for me.  :)  As long as everyone is content to be who they are.
Kyst

quote:

ORIGINAL: aurora31
. Am I a true masochist? That I don't know. Does it really matter weather I am or not? I don't think so as long as I am happy with what I am doing, any label I may or may not give myself does not really matter in the end.

aurora



xxxWENCHxxx -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 12:12:36 PM)

first of all, thank Y/you for such a thought provoking questions. 

i am my Master's painslut (and slave) because i chose/choose to push my limits ... to be caned, flogged, spanked, clamped, clipped, etc .... my tolerance level changes as i learn how to endure, how much i can really take .... my limits are not any one else's limits ....

i also have knee cartiledge detriorating to the point there is only half of what should be there ... that creates pain in and of itself ... it limits me yes, it is painful sometimes yes, i can tolerate some days and not others ....

the pain between the two are different ... pleasure is not derived from the later of the two .... yet either way, my limits are not the same as anyone else's ... so is my pain threshold high ??? for some yes, but there is always someone who can endure more than myself .... whether it is my knees or as a painslut .... it's an idividual thing .... that's my story and i'm sticking to it ...



MasterFireMaam -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 12:56:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

There seems to be an idea (particularly amoung newbies) that Masocists have a high pain threshold.

So do you agree with this line of thought?  Is your opinion based on your own personal experience, observations/discussion with others or is it just a theory to you.   What do you base your opinion on?

No one HAS to have or do anything. There are masochist who are classic ones, i.e. they derive sexual pleasure from pain, and there are those who endure simply for the sake of pleasing another, and there's still others who do it for their own reasons.

I don't find that the new people I run across (and I run across a lot) feel that they HAVE to have a high pain threshold. I'm much more likely to run into the idea that they HAVE to like strap-on play and want to cross dress (I meet a LOT of men new to the scene).

quote:

A thought came to me that as a Sadist... playing with a masocist with a low pain threshold means I don't have to work as hard to get to my pleasure  *EG*

I've played with a lot of new people, due to certain unique group and community dynamics. New people rarely have a high pain threshold. While I can still do it if it's needed as a service, for my own pleasure it now frustrates me to play with someone with a low threshold or, worse, marking limits. If I have to worry about not leaving marks or I have to back off of what I feel is a moderate thing, it frustrates me. It doesn't mean that I don't like them as a person or respect them as a slave, it simply means I cannot fully be myself with them in play. Of course, I do it, especially when I know someone is needed a positive introduction to play and the community...but I don't do this nearly as often as I used to.

Master Fire



junecleaver -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 2:14:09 PM)

Define threshhold of pain?  Is it the point that pain starts to feel 'bad' ?  Is it the point you safeword out if you play with safewords?  Is is the point you pass out?  I don't really know.

I'm not a masochist.  My tolerance for pain is zero.  I hate it.  I can sometimes find some enjoyment out of the control he has over me or the place pain sometimes sends me, but I am definitely not a masochist.



petdave -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 3:33:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aurora31
Yes I like pain and up to a certain point which varies from day to day I can convert it into pleasure. But I also get tons of pleasure in being pushed past the point where it is pleasurable. To the point where it just plain F***ing hurts. I get joy from enduring the pain, I get even more joy from the look of pleasure on the D-types face.


i'm the same way, and it bugs me a little (from an academic standpoint) that they are usually both categorized as "masochism" when they really aren't very much alike.

For me, there's actually a very distinct line... a continuing pain, like clamps or electrical play, abrasion, etc., i can process as pleasure almost all the time. Any kind of impact play just HURTS, but i also feel extremely attracted to it (and disappointed that i can never take as much as i feel i should be able to).

i do also have a pretty high pain threshold, for whatever that's worth... i couldn't even guess how often i've had somebody ask me "did you know you're bleeding?" Uh, no, actually...

...dave



subsa -> RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold (3/23/2007 3:46:43 PM)

i can only speak from my own limited experience and the observations i've made.  i think  pain thresholds vary person to person as well as scene to scene.  i've seen a self proclaimed masochist work hard to control/process what i felt was a fairly tame play scene.  it involved impact play.  but the same person loves needles and cutting.  so a scene that was waaaay past my limits was tame to them.   personally i enjoy certain types of pain.  i love electricity.  when i hear that distinctive buzz and smell the ozone, i'm like a moth drawn to the flame.  i just can't get enough.  and i like it strong.  the glassware is fun but i prefer the direct metal contact.  to me there is little to no pain, just sensation.    i also enjoy impact play.  with this type of scene i do like a build up.  if He starts off with heavy action and no warm up, i experience the pain as pain.  it takes a bit to get into the flow and experience it as pleasure.  but with a warm up its much more like the electricity in that i experience little to no pain, only sensation.   on the other hand i am terrified of needles and cutting.  fear prevents the transmuting of the pain to pleasure.  even the idea of it makes me cringe. 


quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

There seems to be an idea (particularly amoung newbies) that Masocists have a high pain threshold.

So do you agree with this line of thought?  Is your opinion based on your own personal experience, observations/discussion with others or is it just a theory to you.   What do you base your opinion on?


Personally.. I don't agree that masocists "Will" have a high pain tolerance.  some do and some don't.  I think the two are seperate issues that can co-exist.

I base my opinion on experiences of playing with more than a handful of masocists.  It has been my experience that some masocists experience pain much sooner or at least intensity levels than others.  But, all of them enjoyed the experience.  I have also talked and played with a few others that are not masocist and learned that some have a high pain threshold but the moment you cross it.. they are done.  They don't like the pain but they do enjoy sensations and sometimes those sensations can become rather intense.

editted to add...

A thought came to me that as a Sadist... playing with a masocist with a low pain threshold means I don't have to work as hard to get to my pleasure  *EG*



Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875