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Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:15:15 AM

KnightofMists

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There seems to be an idea (particularly amoung newbies) that Masocists have a high pain threshold.

So do you agree with this line of thought? Is your opinion based on your own personal experience, observations/discussion with others or is it just a theory to you. What do you base your opinion on?

Personally.. I don't agree that masocists "Will" have a high pain tolerance. some do and some don't. I think the two are seperate issues that can co-exist.

I base my opinion on experiences of playing with more than a handful of masocists. It has been my experience that some masocists experience pain much sooner or at least intensity levels than others. But, all of them enjoyed the experience. I have also talked and played with a few others that are not masocist and learned that some have a high pain threshold but the moment you cross it.. they are done. They don't like the pain but they do enjoy sensations and sometimes those sensations can become rather intense.

editted to add...

A thought came to me that as a Sadist... playing with a masocist with a low pain threshold means I don't have to work as hard to get to my pleasure *EG*

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:18:25 AM

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My pain tolerence is not very high. I have often been at parties and wished I could take as much as some of the other people.

However, I do not think that what I am experiencing is any less intence than theirs.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:20:24 AM

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Greetings KnightofMists

I do not know if I would call myself a masochist or not. I used to think that it was one who could process pain at very high levels into something that was pleasurable. I have since learned that this is not the case at all.

I, personally, find pain to be nothing more than, well, painful . And yet, I can take huge amounts of pain and seperate myself from it, allowing myself to not notice the discomfort ( and I use that word loosely )

Master is trying to help me process it better; as of yet though, I have not been able to recondition myself in this respect.

I wish you well

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:30:45 AM

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Nope- they have a high "pain conversion into pleasure" threshhold.

I have a fairly high pain tolerance- but it's still always pain for me. I don't convert it into pleasure and I don't want it or crave it or enjoy it when it's happening to me.

A persons pain tolerance is IMO unrelated to their tolerance of pain-to-pleasure conversion.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:31:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

There seems to be an idea (particularly amoung newbies) that Masocists have a high pain threshold.

So do you agree with this line of thought? Is your opinion based on your own personal experience, observations/discussion with others or is it just a theory to you. What do you base your opinion on?

Another good munchies for the mind topic, KoM

In my personal experience, By two long-term Dominant partners, I was called a masochist, “extreme” and pain slut.. even though I consider myself a sensualist. (don’t allow the frilliness of the word fool you, it’s finding happiness in using the senses albeit pain and/or pleasure)…

The point being, I do not believe someone that enjoys pain has to have a high threshold.

If I get a paper cut, OWIE! Other pain with a partner, I can go to the edge....It’s not a pain threshold more so than mind over matter, the ability to convert the experience.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:37:15 AM

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As a blanket statement there is not much truth to it. As a masochist I can tell you that there are many, many factors that determine my pain threshold....and most of them don't really have much to do with the level of "injury". When I am physically ill I have a tendency to go into a mode where I tend to simply deny the level of pain that I am experiencing and shut if off....a tactic that is usually to my detriment in the long term. If I am busy and can't take time for the pain I tend to do the same thing. In play situations, if my headspace is right then I can take enormous amounts of pain....and if it is off then that same level of intensity can be processed on a scale ranging from being an annoying thing that does little more than piss me off to being the catalyst that devastates and crumbles me. Do I think that I have a higher threshold than others? Yes and no. At times I even amaze myself with what I can endure....and then there are those times that I stub my toe that leaves my yelling like a bitch on fire. It is my ability to process pain into a pleasurable experience when all of the determining forces are "just right" that defines me as a masochist....not intensity level alone.

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RE: Masochists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:40:34 AM

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"Masochists have a high pain threshold". I find this isn't a true statement.like in all things the level of intense play must in most cases be built up over time.WE as sadists find we "DIANE and I" even have different levels of play.She is the more intense player of us two always seeking a higher lever pain toy for play,As for myself have been there and done that and find that it doesn't excite me much any longer.now for a sweet little pleasure slave thats a different story..Over the years I have seen very few that were naturals just born to be a pain puppy, soaking up every thing and always wanting more,this is an rare excepition..AS always just the views of this ol" master..bounty

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:40:38 AM

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When I was very new, I, like a lot of newbies, believed all masochists had a high pain threshold. I remember thinking "no way I could be a masochist". I've grown a lot since then and have discovered I am most definitely a masochist and one who has quite a tolerance for and desire for some heavy pain play. Masochist doesn't mean you love and need and want a lot of heavy pain, doesn't mean you can take a lot of pain. Not long ago a good friend and I got to talking about it. She enjoys floggers. They are her favorite s/m toy to have used on her, but she doesn't have a real high tolerance or liking for pain, which made her wonder if she really was a masochist. Through our conversation, and conversations with several others we both know, she came to understand that she is a masochist, just not a heavy masochist. We are none of us cookie cutter kinksters. We like a variety of different things and not everyone has all the same kinks, needs and interests as everyone else.

I hope that made sense. I'm not awake yet.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:49:05 AM

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CONCLUSION: Red hair is the phenotype for mutations of the melanocortin-1 receptor. Results indicate that redheads are more sensitive to thermal pain and are resistant to the analgesic effects of subcutaneous lidocaine. Mutations of the melanocortin-1 receptor, or a consequence thereof, thus modulate pain sensitivity.

http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/15731586

this slave's experiences support the above quoted conclusion of the study conducted, an ascription of pain thresholds to specific genetic mutations.

the first this slave was ever referred to as "masochist" was when she insisted on pharmaceutical-free labor and delivery.

this slave believes that if her masochism isn't hard-wired, genetic, in-born (along the same lines as the pain sensitivity, resistance and/or allergic reactions to all "pain-relieving" pharmeceuticals), then it has manifested as a positive, pleasurable response in order to effectively deal with stimuli that would otherwise be perceived as unbearable and unrelenting pain.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 7:49:28 AM

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There has already been some good points expressed in this thread.... I hope a few newbie's read this that are stuck on another stupid mantra of the lifestyle

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 8:04:04 AM

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Pain is such as subjective thing. What is ones limit is anothers pleasure. I don't think masochists will have high pain threashold, it depends on that individual. What is a high threshold to me is not to another. I do see alot of people trying to compare what one can take. It makes no sense to me. For me it depends on the object being used to inflict pain and my mindset. It varies for me.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 8:12:56 AM

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hehe, it reminds me of women sharing childbirth experiences. A natural birth without pain medication that seems easy for one person may be horrific pain for another. I don't think pain is something that can be compared, because we don't know how other people feel it.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 8:22:27 AM

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For me it depends on the type of pain, where it's located and my mind set at the time.

I stubb my toe and I hop around and yelp like a scalded puppy, but flog/paddle/crop my back, shoulders and chest till it's bright purple and I can handle quite abit and enjoy it. But a moderate strike to the side of the hip or thigh and it's almost intolerable.

hehe anyone that has talked to me or read my posts knows my view on canes, but even those i found I can handle better on my back and butt then on my thighs. But I still think the nasty lil monsters would make better fire starter then anything else *smiles sweetly*

I've always enjoyed thudding pain and the sensation from being bitten above anything else.

edited cause i can't spell

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 8:37:49 AM

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I think you're correct in your train of thought Knight.
I think each of us has our own threshold.
Someone's 3 on a scale of 1-10 can indeed really be someone elses 9.
A good Dominant always amazes me with the ability to know where someone in particular is in their levels of tolerance.
I've often thought about how I'm not so sure I'd be a good judge of where someone else is, or how far I could or needed to push them.
I think if I indeed was toppy I'd prefer someone with a low threshold for pain as it would make my job easier.
I often hear male sub's here complain their Mistresses can't hit them hard enough.
I mostly hear female subs profess to be chickens or wusses when it comes to the harder stuff, then I see them take way more than I can tolerate.
I've also heard people say I'm a pain pig and I play heavy, but I think I play rather light really.
LOL I'm pretty confident I fall into the tender butt wuss section myself these days.
I agree a masochist does not have to have a high or low tolerance to pain to enjoy the extreme sensation, but a masochist with a higher tolerance or release limit is indeed more of a work out for the Dom/Domme.
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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 8:54:47 AM

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I don't believe masochism and pain tolerance have anything to do with each other.

I "tolerate" a certain amount of pain 24/7 due to my fibromyalgia, (a chronic pain condition), to some it would be unbearable, to others light pain. The level of pain (and thus my "threshold") varies from day to day. I tolerate it because it is there.

In S/m play it is different. There I can control the amount of pain I am willing to undergo. Yet I find my threshold still varies depending on what I am experiencing -that particular day- in regular life, i.e., how much am I hurting period.

I believe this is true for everyone. Someone who has arthritis for example, or who has a bad back, or any other painful condition that is ongoing, will find their tolerance to S/m play varying due to their "regular" amount of pain.

But this doesn't change how much of a masochist I may or may not be... just as having pain 24/7 does not put me in subspace 24/7 (you would be surprised at the number of people I have had who have believed this!)

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 8:56:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

the first this slave was ever referred to as "masochist" was when she insisted on pharmaceutical-free labor and delivery.

<grin> I did 3 of my 4 trips down that road pharmaceutical-free and 1 with an IV dose of pain med. I actually did much better on the 3 than the 1. I was able to process it, work through it and it felt better. Maybe weird, but that's how it was for me.

It always amazes me, the differences in how people will process the same or similar sensations.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 8:58:52 AM

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I am a masochist and my pain tolerance varies depending on my situation, and the circumstance.
Levels of acceptable pain may vary. My being a maso does not.
Kyst

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 9:03:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I am a masochist and my pain tolerance varies depending on my situation, and the circumstance.
Levels of acceptable pain may vary. My being a maso does not.
Kyst

*chuckles*... you said that much clearer than I did... thank you

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 9:06:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

hehe, it reminds me of women sharing childbirth experiences. A natural birth without pain medication that seems easy for one person may be horrific pain for another. I don't think pain is something that can be compared, because we don't know how other people feel it.

i'm actually glad you brought this up ... because that was my first thought lol. i was 'complimented' by my docs and the anesthesiologists for not using pain meds when i had my son because it was so obvious how much pain i was in (i preferred the pain to the needles ... so logical at times).

For me, it's my mindset going into it ... if it starts out super intense from the get-go, then my pain tolerance is much much lower and i feel like i'm not able to handle it. If it's something that's worked up to ... increasing in intensity, then i seem to deal much better. i feel it all, i don't necessarily seperate it, nor does it turn pleasurable, but mentally and physically ... i can take more.

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RE: Masocists & Pain Threshold - 3/23/2007 9:14:33 AM

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A masochist seeks and enjoys pain, but the levels that work for one may be far different than another can take.
I have often heard submissives speaking in awe of the amount of pain they've seen others take, even though I have seen (or given) them much more than the person of whom they speak. It can be interesting to listen to both talk to each other about each other. Somehow that which I take and enjoy seems soooo much easier to take than that which I watch someone else take.
Theoretically a sadist is one who enjoys inflicting suffering upon others, so in many cases they are not well matched when with masochists. If the partner is a masochist who loves the pain I give, then my sadistic side may not be satisfied.
Of course as long as everyone is consenting adults, it does not much matter which labels people apply to themselves, there are so many different ways to define these things.

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