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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/22/2007 5:55:34 PM   
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Oh and I'll add this is part of why we usually tell people to wait awhile in between getting into serious relationships- you need time to let the baggage go and get a clear head before making another big choice.

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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/22/2007 6:30:06 PM   
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       I took a three year break when my last shitty relationship ended.  It wasn't so much a conscious decision as it was a reflection of my attitude.  I simply wasn't interested in starting another to the point that people thought I was gay.  The idea of dying alone seemed far preferable to another bad one.

      Of course, the only constant link in my chain of horrible girlfriends was me.  The time off let me see that, as well as giving the scars time to fade.

        I still have triggers that bypass patience and reason, but now they have to get around hard-earned wisdom as well.  Sometimes I just have to walk away, but I'm back quickly for a conversation.

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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/22/2007 7:15:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


Interesting twist on the baggage threads, Troll... ...to come at it from the angle of projecting ghosts onto others rather than from the trust angle.

What I said there holds true here too.  Yes, we all have our ghosts...those people that sometimes come to us unbidden and throw up their spectral image because of the actions or words of the present one.  Since I've spent the last 8 years going through my past, even while becoming involved with others and sometimes, deliberately invoking the past at least in my mind, I've looked at quite a few of my ghosts.  Some are friendly spirits...they taught me good things and were a good part of my life who moved on, sometimes sadly for them and sometimes for me and sometimes for both of us, when it was time.  Some are not so friendly...they did things that hurt me deeply when they were a physical and mental presence in my life and not just a spectre.  Things that made me very angry and bitter and cynical and yeah, sometimes there is still a bit of the cynicism and anger and bitterness still there.  But I learned through researching various written materials and friends and even a counselor how to let go of what they had done, what my part had been, and to be aware and be fair.  Not always perfect at it...who is?  But, I keep trying. 

Ironically enough, one of those "Oh shit, so this is how it feels" moments that helped me along my way happened when someone judged me based on what others had done before and left.  When I heard myself saying "I am not those assholes...never was, never will be", I thought "Gee, this sounds familiar...sounds like something someone said to me once when they were walking out the door".





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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/22/2007 8:36:56 PM   
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Often we are burdened with specters of our past, banshee’s of psychotic relationships, ghouls of gambits gone awry, and demonic visages of nut jobs.
 
"From ghoulies and ghosties and things that go
 bump in the night, Lord deliver us!"
                                                
 
We spoke of phantom flags and sabotaging our chances before and we received some very enlightening replies to that thread. Nevertheless I think this little thought may be yet another dark facet of our id that merits introspection. I know I am guilty of seeing habits or mannerism that gets my ghosts to moaning and I stop and look at that very carefully, sometimes very forcefully, and wrestle with the idea of “is it her or someone else”. I have grown accustom to doling out rope until they hang themselves to avoid blaming, or pigeon holing, her for someone else’s mistakes.
 
Yes, but what is the rope attached to?
 


I know that all of us do not want to be bitter,

You have not met some of the people I know!  lol




I can’t imagine someone actually relishing that,

Some people will positively wallow in bitterness and
anger and never let go of the past!  
 



but are/do we let the bad experiences of our past bleed through into our current endeavors?

Well, unless your goal is self-sabotage, best to learn from
past mistakes and remember the lessons.  That will not,
however; keep you from making new and more interesting
mistakes.  All endeavors can end in either success or failure.




Are we blaming our new interests for the mistakes of others?

If someone is doing that, then they are not ready
to start a new relationship.  They need to take
time off and work on themselves for a few months
or even a few years.
                                                     






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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/22/2007 9:01:34 PM   
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quote:

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Often we are burdened with specters of our past, banshee’s of psychotic relationships, ghouls of gambits gone awry, and demonic visages of nut jobs.
 
We spoke of phantom flags and sabotaging our chances before and we received some very enlightening replies to that thread. Nevertheless I think this little thought may be yet another dark facet of our id that merits introspection. I know I am guilty of seeing habits or mannerism that gets my ghosts to moaning and I stop and look at that very carefully, sometimes very forcefully, and wrestle with the idea of “is it her or someone else”. I have grown accustom to doling out rope until they hang themselves to avoid blaming, or pigeon holing, her for someone else’s mistakes.
  I know that all of us do not want to be bitter, I can’t imagine someone actually relishing that, but are/do we let the bad experiences of our past bleed through into our current endeavors? Are we blaming our new interests for the mistakes of others?


I think this happens. I had a lot of trouble with my ex-finance because sometimes I got this feeling that he was cheating. I didn't have any proof, he certainly soothed my fears every time and enough friends of his were friends of mine that I'm fairly sure I would have been told. But I had been hurt a lot and we were long distence. I had issues. While that wasn't the cause of our break-up it certainly couldn't have helped.

I think time helps. I don't freak out about Valyraen, though I have to admit that we were long-distence I fretted every now and then, convinced that some gorgous girl was going to walk into his life and give him everything I can't. It didn't last very long - he was very good about maintaining contact with me and helping me out during time a emotional unease for me.

I guess it's normal to worry about past sins in the current relationship. I mean, we are supposed to learn from our past. The goal, I suppose, is to be aware but still trusting. When enough time passes, we just stop watching because we know longer feel the need to fret.

Hope that made sense.

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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/23/2007 6:31:21 AM   
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I don't think any of us is ever going to get rid of the baggage from the past entirely. Best thing is to know what's there, shove the bags in the attic until something happens that makes you need to revisit it.

I warned him about my reactions to things and he did the same for me. A couple of times he's had to remind me that I'm responding based on the past and a couple of times I've done this for him.

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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/23/2007 7:19:42 AM   
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Most of the really valuable lessons that I have learned in my life have come from the mistakes of myself and others. I think that LA made a great point with her addition when she said that you need time before jumping from one relationship to another. You need to be able to sort through and put everything in it's proper place. Often when we speak of baggage we speak of it in negative terms, but it really depends on what you're carrying in the bag. If your bag is full of anger, bitterness and mistrust then I would say you have not packed well for your journey. If you take the time and sort through and pack your bag with lessons learned, an appreciation for having learned them and forgiveness you have a much better chance at seeing the beauty on the path ahead instead of dwelling and focusing on the ugliness of the past. "Baggage" doesn't have to be a bad thing, it can make the trip more pleasant if you are well equipped.

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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/23/2007 10:48:25 AM   
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If you have baggage why not talk it out with your partner. Lay it on the line and take it from there. Why keep it dormat and let it eat at you.  

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RE: Don’t make me pay for his/her mistakes - 3/23/2007 12:44:12 PM   
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In my case, I did not always know what that baggage was, until we came across it.  Often times an issue would be traced back to the discovery of a piece of uncovered baggage.  At that point, work would be done to obliterate it.  Sometimes it took several attempts, however.  But he recognized it, as did I, and felt as long as I kept trying (and he could see how sincere my efforts really were), he would give me opportunities to fix it.

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