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missturbation -> I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 12:28:44 AM)
A thread here which shall remain nameless has me wondering why when the truth is staring them in the face people still cannot see it? You can even prove you are telling the truth but they will still find some element of doubt!! Are we really that short sighted that we cannot see our opinions of something / someone cannot be wrong?

SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 12:32:41 AM)
That is why we are human. Peception is everything to some. To others truth as they percieve it. Others can not tolerate discussion. Others my way or the highway Ross ©º°¨¨°º©

Mercnbeth -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 1:47:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation A thread here which shall remain nameless has me wondering why when the truth is staring them in the face people still cannot see it? You can even prove you are telling the truth but they will still find some element of doubt!! Are we really that short sighted that we cannot see our opinions of something / someone cannot be wrong? one's opinion is only wrong when one realizes it for themselves and decides to change it... not because of someone elses ultimate reality that one is just too short-sighted to accept. it is your opinion, it might be based on some scientific study that was done or it might be based on how you feel. you are entitled to it--labelling it "right" or "wrong" is subjective and frivolous. same thing with "truth"...there is no ONE TRUTH that we all have to accept or not. We all have our own truth, and what is true for YOU, might not be true for this slave and vice-versa. for example, you could be of the "opinion" that Master and His slave have an "unhealthy" relationship because this slave does not require activities or time spent focused solely on this slave, apart from Him, in order to live a healthy, happy life and participate in a "healthy" relationship with Him. what is true, or healthy or right for this slave, wouldn't be true or healthy or right for you. No value judgement of good or bad, healthy or unhealthy, right or wrong, true or untrue necessary. there are indeed folks who have spent an inordinate amount of "me" time focused solely on themselves throughout the course of their life. they come to a point where they choose to NOT focus on themselves at all, but to surrender all that they are and all that they possess in service to another. it fulfills them like nothing else ever has. their joy is palpable to all who encounter them. would you still try to convince them how unhealthy their relationship is, how "wrong" their opinion is that they have a healthy relationship, how "untrue" they are being to themselves...based on your opinion that every relationship has to conform to your opinion of or the current psychological definition of "healthy" or else it isn't?

KenDckey -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 3:11:52 AM)
I think a lot of it has to do with perception. That is some people take their opinion and/or belief and try to sell it as unsubstantiated gospel. Of course they are entitled to their opinions and beliefs. They don't have to be substantiated. They are someones perception of the truth based upon their goals. What urks me to no end is when they try to impose their opinions and/or belief system upon everyone else by stateing it as fact (aka the truth). then when you want to know what their sources are, so that you can form your own opinion based upon the facts presented, you are attacked. Very frustrating.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 3:34:58 AM)
So, I read to find out, and nothing! Off to use the search button and try to find a clue* M

LaTigresse -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 5:49:09 AM)
My personal take when I see people that get so fired up defending their truth is several things, none of which are flattering. Usually I sense a fragility in ego, a hidden low self esteem. Which is why they so vehemently defend their position. To admit otherwise they would see as admitting they are somehow weak or less dedicated to their cause. Another thing I see frequently is.........yes it sucks......they are just not the brightest bulb in the pack. They haven't the ability to think beyond their narrow little perception of the world and their vision of black and white. They hold onto their truth like it is a life raft in a stormy sea because it is all they are capable of. What I find very interesting is the propensity of this sort to quickly attack the more free thinkers as being wishy washy, or not really dedicated to a cause.

Rule -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 6:48:09 AM)
To all of the above: quite.

dawntreader -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 7:47:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse My personal take when I see people that get so fired up defending their truth is several things, none of which are flattering. Usually I sense a fragility in ego, a hidden low self esteem. Which is why they so vehemently defend their position. To admit otherwise they would see as admitting they are somehow weak or less dedicated to their cause. Another thing I see frequently is.........yes it sucks......they are just not the brightest bulb in the pack. They haven't the ability to think beyond their narrow little perception of the world and their vision of black and white. They hold onto their truth like it is a life raft in a stormy sea because it is all they are capable of. What I find very interesting is the propensity of this sort to quickly attack the more free thinkers as being wishy washy, or not really dedicated to a cause. LaTigresse, i could not have said this better myself...and i love this analogy you use "They hold onto their truth like it is a life raft in a stormy sea because it is all they are capable of." Sometime i think, it is not belief in their truth that they seek but absolution of their guilt. Others times, such as my evangelistic brother, they need my belief in their truth so that it reinforces their own belief in what they state as truth.

Mercnbeth -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 8:34:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse My personal take when I see people that get so fired up defending their truth is several things, none of which are flattering. Usually I sense a fragility in ego, a hidden low self esteem. Which is why they so vehemently defend their position. To admit otherwise they would see as admitting they are somehow weak or less dedicated to their cause. Another thing I see frequently is.........yes it sucks......they are just not the brightest bulb in the pack. They haven't the ability to think beyond their narrow little perception of the world and their vision of black and white. They hold onto their truth like it is a life raft in a stormy sea because it is all they are capable of. What I find very interesting is the propensity of this sort to quickly attack the more free thinkers as being wishy washy, or not really dedicated to a cause. La Tigresse, Is it the defense of ones own truth that indicates a fragile ego or the adamancy of ones opposition to it because it contradicts with yours that discloses a lack of personal confidence? By definition there can be no wrong "opinion". Opinions are shaped on perspective not fact. Once having one, whether on whose going to win March Madness, or how to compare slave/submissive; it is incumbent to have a reason or justification for the opinion. The goal shouldn't be finding a group who agree with it, and only head-bob in communion, but instead just represent your opinion to any/all and treat challenges as opportunities for building confidence. Contradictory opinions provide a wealth of knowledge. As you learn you may amend an opinion or change it completely. It doesn't mean your past opinion was wrong. The amended opinion is just as correct as the opinion that spawned it. Its correctness is a function of time, experiences, and information not necessarily "new" but seen in a new way. How would you get that new way only in contact with others who share your opinion and see it as fact? How would you move forward either with confirmation or amendment as the result, if you only referred to information or experiences where your opinion was considered fact? I'd argue that defines stagnation, generates mental laziness, and is a sure way to become bored. No facts represented here - just opinion.

missturbation -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 9:16:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation A thread here which shall remain nameless has me wondering why when the truth is staring them in the face people still cannot see it? You can even prove you are telling the truth but they will still find some element of doubt!! Are we really that short sighted that we cannot see our opinions of something / someone cannot be wrong? one's opinion is only wrong when one realizes it for themselves and decides to change it... not because of someone elses ultimate reality that one is just too short-sighted to accept. it is your opinion, it might be based on some scientific study that was done or it might be based on how you feel. you are entitled to it--labelling it "right" or "wrong" is subjective and frivolous. same thing with "truth"...there is no ONE TRUTH that we all have to accept or not. We all have our own truth, and what is true for YOU, might not be true for this slave and vice-versa. for example, you could be of the "opinion" that Master and His slave have an "unhealthy" relationship because this slave does not require activities or time spent focused solely on this slave, apart from Him, in order to live a healthy, happy life and participate in a "healthy" relationship with Him. what is true, or healthy or right for this slave, wouldn't be true or healthy or right for you. No value judgement of good or bad, healthy or unhealthy, right or wrong, true or untrue necessary. there are indeed folks who have spent an inordinate amount of "me" time focused solely on themselves throughout the course of their life. they come to a point where they choose to NOT focus on themselves at all, but to surrender all that they are and all that they possess in service to another. it fulfills them like nothing else ever has. their joy is palpable to all who encounter them. would you still try to convince them how unhealthy their relationship is, how "wrong" their opinion is that they have a healthy relationship, how "untrue" they are being to themselves...based on your opinion that every relationship has to conform to your opinion of or the current psychological definition of "healthy" or else it isn't? My apologies to you both Merc n Beth this wasnt about whether your relationship was healthy or not. I actually think you two have got it right and i really enjoyed reading your post in my thread. This was about the other issues that kicked off in that thread between myself and 3 others. Again i apologise if it looked like i was having a dig at you.

missturbation -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 9:18:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig So, I read to find out, and nothing! Off to use the search button and try to find a clue* M You wont find it hun, it got pulled.

missturbation -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 9:19:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse My personal take when I see people that get so fired up defending their truth is several things, none of which are flattering. Usually I sense a fragility in ego, a hidden low self esteem. Which is why they so vehemently defend their position. To admit otherwise they would see as admitting they are somehow weak or less dedicated to their cause. Another thing I see frequently is.........yes it sucks......they are just not the brightest bulb in the pack. They haven't the ability to think beyond their narrow little perception of the world and their vision of black and white. They hold onto their truth like it is a life raft in a stormy sea because it is all they are capable of. What I find very interesting is the propensity of this sort to quickly attack the more free thinkers as being wishy washy, or not really dedicated to a cause. Bingo LaT Thank you [:D]

dawntreader -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 10:39:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse My personal take when I see people that get so fired up defending their truth is several things, none of which are flattering. Usually I sense a fragility in ego, a hidden low self esteem. Which is why they so vehemently defend their position. To admit otherwise they would see as admitting they are somehow weak or less dedicated to their cause. Another thing I see frequently is.........yes it sucks......they are just not the brightest bulb in the pack. They haven't the ability to think beyond their narrow little perception of the world and their vision of black and white. They hold onto their truth like it is a life raft in a stormy sea because it is all they are capable of. What I find very interesting is the propensity of this sort to quickly attack the more free thinkers as being wishy washy, or not really dedicated to a cause. Bingo LaT Thank you [:D] Interesting... after reading the thread that was pulled, i got a different impression than you did from LaTigress's post ...

missturbation -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 10:43:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dawntreader quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse My personal take when I see people that get so fired up defending their truth is several things, none of which are flattering. Usually I sense a fragility in ego, a hidden low self esteem. Which is why they so vehemently defend their position. To admit otherwise they would see as admitting they are somehow weak or less dedicated to their cause. Another thing I see frequently is.........yes it sucks......they are just not the brightest bulb in the pack. They haven't the ability to think beyond their narrow little perception of the world and their vision of black and white. They hold onto their truth like it is a life raft in a stormy sea because it is all they are capable of. What I find very interesting is the propensity of this sort to quickly attack the more free thinkers as being wishy washy, or not really dedicated to a cause. Bingo LaT Thank you [:D] Interesting... after reading the thread that was pulled, i got a different impression than you did from LaTigress's post ... Did you? And what impression do you think i got? I'm not against or above having the truth about myself pointed out to me about myself. I personally see myself in what LaT said. So tell me again - we got a different impression how? Edited to add:- even though you read the other thread please remember you only have your perception of the truth from the situation. There are only three people who know the full story. In fact no there is only one as only i know the convos i held with the other two people involved.

dawntreader -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 10:50:28 AM)
perhaps we did not then...

missturbation -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 10:54:23 AM)
I'm not looking for fingers to point at people by starting this thread. Im looking for why i felt i had to defend my perception of the truth so strongly and LaT made good points and i saw myself in a lot of what she said.

BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 11:05:13 AM)
I suppose so missturbation,but some folks just continue to refuse to even consider others opinions,I am hard headed myself but prove your point and I shall defend you to the end why hell I would even defend your right to have an opinion if you where wrong smiles..Thats why I like it so well here one subject and 500 people more then likely you will have 500 different opinions or more....Just the opinion of this ol" master and subject to change...bounty

missturbation -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 11:10:17 AM)
Bounty, I'd love to say i was 100% innocent in the mess that played out last night but i wasn't, far from it. However i'm not all bad lol. I'm learning from my mistakes and this thread is just part of that. Trying to self analyse isnt always the easiest thing to do so i ask here what others think. General. It does bug me though that the conclusion is jumped to that i'm looking for absolution and only pointing the finger elsewhere when nothing could be further from the truth.

Mercnbeth -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 12:55:02 PM)
quote: My apologies to you both Merc n Beth this wasnt about whether your relationship was healthy or not. I actually think you two have got it right and i really enjoyed reading your post in my thread. This was about the other issues that kicked off in that thread between myself and 3 others. Again i apologize if it looked like i was having a dig at you. missturbation, In no way did we take anything you posted as a reference to us. Either one of us for that matter. I don't think beth even got to read that thread before it was pulled. No apology necessary in this case, or ever needed when it comes to expressing an opinion. Regarding your situation, even if we knew all the details we still wouldn't know the evolution of them. It would be impossible, and it is impossible, to give factual comment about what occurred unless there when it happened. Every response is opinion, an opinion about you can't be wrong. A contrary opinion is just a case of not having your perspective and/or them not having yours. Emotions however, lead to anger which leads to blindness and gets in the way of the possibility of another's perspective. By that time you're breaking out the name calling and threats; ending the constructive dialog. Normally we would respond to something like this directly out of an open forum, but with the referencing thread gone - it seemed better to do it here.

missturbation -> RE: I swear to tell.................. (3/18/2007 1:30:51 PM)
Thank you to you both [:D]

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