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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/15/2007 10:07:46 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

What gets me Sinergy is I saw this BEFORE we went over there.
I am not a political analyst or anything remotely close.
If this middle aged black woman could see we had NO reason to go to Iraq.
My mother also mentioned you don't go stirring up things in the Middle East,
those people will fight forever-----
who did NOT know this would happen?  Those people will fight until no one is
left alive over there.
Why did others not see this?  Who voted for this damn war in the beginning?
He could NOT have done all this by himself.
Who supported this all along?


Everybody saw it, MzMia, except for Monkeyboy and Shotgun and the nitwits from Dumbfuckistan who put them in office.

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/15/2007 10:11:30 PM   
caitlyn


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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/15/2007 10:12:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see why more troops are needed. In fact, I don't see why any troops are needed. Terrorism sucks, but it can't be stopped for one simple reason........it's too widespread. The best way to keep our country safe is to stop outsourcing IT work overseas. I talked to a guy from India who said there are loads of terrorists there, yet this is where most US computer jobs are outsourced.

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/15/2007 10:17:06 PM   
MzMia


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moving to India to get a job with an American firm!

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/15/2007 10:21:21 PM   
defiantbadgirl


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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/15/2007 11:31:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I am not surprised, we have never had enough troops for years.
They would rather send the injured, the battle weary and senior citizens,
rather than institute a draft. We have NEVER had enough troops over there,
if we can't send the troops to get the job DONE, why not just leave?

Generals: More troops needed in Iraq - Los Angeles Times


I think they're in the process right now of putting together a massive recruitment program that will operate all over the world, garnering foreign bodies into the US military with the promise of citizenship on the back end.

They know full well that the people in this country are becoming smarter and that even with one of their ''staged'' fake terrorists plots, a draft would only net them real-life scenes comparable to ''V'' for Vendetta.

My hope is that in drafting of a ''foreign'' army will still net them scenes from ''V'' for Vendetta.





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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 12:02:18 AM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		I have a college friend who has one American parent and one parent from Iran.  She tells me that in the Middle East -
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 12:05:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do believe this report.  One of my former roommates is married to a Marine who was on his 2nd tour of duty in Iraq while she was going to grad school here.  She and I spent many hours talking about the
shortage of supplies, lack of decent food and troops being sent
back out when they had not fully recovered and not fit for duty.

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 3:30:01 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		I am finding it incredibly interesting as to who is NOT responding to this article. 

This was such a distressing piece of news, that it feels like it is clinging to me.

What are we doing?  There is no way to spin this to make it right.

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 4:14:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

I am finding it incredibly interesting as to who is NOT responding to this article. 



You mean the jingoistic, flag waving, let's nuke the world mob?

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 4:53:19 AM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		Caitlyn, what is an ACL problem? And how can it be fixed?
Not sure if this a physical or mental condion...

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 5:17:38 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Hello Vendaval,

The ACL is the Anterior Cruciate Ligament.  It is one of the ligaments in the knee which is essential to providing stability within the joint.  Tearing of this ligament is not only incredibly painful, but often never heals back to perfection, leaving chronic knee pain and a decided lack of strength and stability within the knee.

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 5:24:30 AM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		Puella, thank you for explaining that term.  How would the soldier
be able to walk, much less handle combat?  This sounds to me like
a condition that would cause permanent disability left untreated. 

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 5:31:59 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Well, that is the whole issue. 

I had both of my knees damaged early last year.  I could not walk for 3 months and still have discomfort from just every day activities.  When I go to the gym and work out sensibly (elliptical cross trainer as opposed to tread mill and very controlled weight training, only using machines which really control the knee position, etc)  I have much stronger pain issues. 

I have no idea how one would control the range of motion in your knee in a combat situation, and that problem is compounded by the amount of extra weight they must carry around with them due to gear and body armor.

It does not leave much room for a positive prognosis in the long term.  Likely, the knee will be further damaged and at some point I would think it would get damaged to a point that there is no rehabilitation.

It all sounds like a small enough problem.. torn ligament in a knee.. but by putting that person back into a position where that 'small ' injury is under continued abuse... it will develop into a much greater issue for him after the military has 'done' with him.

We all know the horror story of trying to get outpatient rehabilitation as a veteran...


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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 5:38:14 AM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		I am so sorry to hear that you were injured!  How long will you
be going through rehabilitation and/or physical therapy?

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 6:21:53 AM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Oh, my pt is long done, but there will always be residual discomfort to varying degrees, no biggie!

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 7:58:48 AM   
puella


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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/16/2007 10:46:48 AM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: puella

Hello Vendaval,

The ACL is the Anterior Cruciate Ligament.  It is one of the ligaments in the knee which is essential to providing stability within the joint.  Tearing of this ligament is not only incredibly painful, but often never heals back to perfection, leaving chronic knee pain and a decided lack of strength and stability within the knee.


The three ligaments, anterior, posterior, and (name escapes me) cross inside the knee (hence the name cruciate) and provide stability so the knee does not blow out sideways or forwards.  The problem with partially blowing out one of them is that any stressor on that ligament in the future causes both pain and further damage.  Ligaments lack much of a blood source, and dont really heal after they tear.

Since it never really heals, I am surprised that they are sending soldiers back into combat with a torn cruciate ligament.  The only thing which will happen is it will get worse, and eventually leave the person unable to walk.

Knee surgery can be done to stitch it back together, but it still takes months or years of physical therapy to heal.

Like extending tours of duty, this is a backdoor way for Monkeyboy to not lose soldiers on the ground. 

Sinergy

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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/18/2007 12:28:42 PM   
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RE: The Army is ordering injured troops to go to Iraq - 3/18/2007 1:42:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

I am finding it incredibly interesting as to who is NOT responding to this article. 

This was such a distressing piece of news, that it feels like it is clinging to me.

What are we doing?  There is no way to spin this to make it right.


Maybe because the thread is akin to asking " tell me sir when did you stop beating your wife" , there is no good answer.
No one supports deploying injured men/women, especially those of us who have served.
Its is a troubling story. I researched it some here on the net and only found salon's posting come up. I would have thought with a story like this I would have found a MSM link for the info as well.
I'd like to see more info before rushing to call this one.
As a side note, it would be believable, as those who have served know that mistakes get made, its almost a given in this type of endeavor.


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