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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/13/2007 8:10:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I used to pretend to be a bride -- I think lots of little girls in the USA do that....
For me, poly feels very natural.

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

I can't tell you why or how, just that I am.  I have tried very hard in the past to be mono but there was always that space that couldn't be filled. 
Cheating was never an option for me in the past.  Too many cheaters try and use, "I'm poly" as an excuse for their bad behavior.




I never wanted to get married, never wanted the white dress or a husband, per say.  Right now I am having a bit of trouble coming to terms with my poly nature.

My sub is not primarily poly, although, I think he could be lead to it.  I just don't think he would be spiritually comfortable and I don't want to put that kind of pressure on him.  Which means I'd have to let him free. 

Decisions, decisions...
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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/13/2007 10:36:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Quivver

With the heated debate over CIAW and being married it appeared the consensus all agrees that it's ~ok~ if it's Poly[amory]. Yet what kept nagging me was how one became Poly[amorous] to begin with. What I mean is we all grow up in a society that pretty much promotes that Ark thing. I dont remember any 10 year old saying they intended to have multiple partners. So where or should I say how did the mind set of Poly begin? My assumptions are that many past ~cheaters~ turned Poly for many reasons both good and bad. But as I said, those are just assumptions. Any thoughts?


I suspect "polyamorous" behavior in humans is a result of simple biological exuberance. While mate retention likewise seems rooted in our nature, I believe it is intended to be finite in lifespan and not entirely free of reproductive multitasking during that lifespan. Some may choose to see that as a cold and cynical interpretation, but I don't. Love and desire is multifarious. There is no shame in yielding to its tentacles; by nature, we are caught up in them anyway.

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 10:01:30 AM   
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The origins of Poly are quite simple.  It is genetically inherent for men to want to be with more than one woman.  In the days when humans first appeared and when they began to settle, we lived in small tribes.  The men naturally went out to hunt and the women stayed to gather and later cultivate.  When the men were gone, they faced many perils; rock slides, killer mammoths, freezing, and drowning were an all too common occurence.  So what you have is less men coming back to a village with more women.  The ritual of a brother taking a dead brother's wife was probably started here and continues to this day in many cultures.  If a man had multiple wives, they probably all lived in the same hut.  Since these were very confined spaces, they had to learn to get along with one another.  Anyone who has ever been to a sorority will tell you that most of the women in the house cycle on the same schedule.  This is yet another "natural selection."  If a man was home and in the mood, you didn't want to be the only one not ovulating.  Women also have a better chance of becoming pregenant when they have an orgasm (there have been multiple studies on this.)  Most women find that the second orgasm is easier to reach than the first (personal studies conducted :).  Logically, if a women could be brought to orgasm once or more before having sex with her husband, she would be more likely to have an orgasm with him and, in turn, more likely to get pregnant.   What better way to have your first couple of orgasms than with your sister wife.  For the man, sperm count increases with sexual arousal (also extensively studied,) so if a man was more excited by seeing two women he would have a higher sperm count and a greater chance of impregnating his partner.  Its no wonder that 93% of males biggest fantasies is to be with two women at once.  All of these traits increased the likelyhood of off spring, which passed on these traits.  If you don't believe me, look at the evidence in society.  Bisexual women are common place and generally accepted by society (excluding the Christian Coalition,) yet male homosexuality or even bisexuality is frowned upon by a majority of the world's population, and punishable by death in some countries.  So how did we go from a wonderful, polygamist, sexfilled lifestyle to the constricted and shameful world of sex that we have today?  Most of it is due to politics.  Octavian, considered the first emporer of Rome, wanted to clean up the city and uphold moral character.  He had an influence, but the real doom came with the indoctrination of christianity.  Religious leaders used Christianity to take spiritual power away from women, and in turn political power.  Christianity taught us shame, deprevation, and fearfullness of this all seeing all powerful god that would take vengance upon us if we sinned.  Not to beat up on Christians, Islam and Judeaism are no different.  But, I can say with a great degree of scientific certainty, that its all a load of shit.  We will never alleviate the problems of this world if we are taught to repress the sexuality that burns within each of us.  Its really not our fault, either.  As humans, we just did what we had to do to survive.

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 11:02:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I used to pretend to be a bride -- I think lots of little girls in the USA do that....
For me, poly feels very natural.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

I can't tell you why or how, just that I am. I have tried very hard in the past to be mono but there was always that space that couldn't be filled.
Cheating was never an option for me in the past. Too many cheaters try and use, "I'm poly" as an excuse for their bad behavior.

K


I never wanted to get married, never wanted the white dress or a husband, per say. Right now I am having a bit of trouble coming to terms with my poly nature.

My sub is not primarily poly, although, I think he could be lead to it. I just don't think he would be spiritually comfortable and I don't want to put that kind of pressure on him. Which means I'd have to let him free.

Decisions, decisions...
Psy


Why are you haveing trouble? If you step back and look at it, what exactly is causing the trouble you feel?

Would my life be "easier" if I was vanilla and monogamous? Maybe but I know it then wouldn't be my life and it wouldn't be me being who I am supposed to be.

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 11:04:27 AM   
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I think having more than one husband is just as natural. The more men to go out hunting (since you used that idea) and bringing back food and resources to one woman, the more likely she and her offspring will have of surviving and thriving. Having multiple women to look after means that you are less likely to be able to provide as much as you could if you focused on one woman and her children or shared the provisioning with other men.

See how easily we can see the same period differently?

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 1:15:24 PM   
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I maintained a poly relationship for one year, quite successfully.  It just requires the right people to make it work. It is work but even a vanilla realtionship is work if you want it to succeed and last. If all parties want it to work, it can and everyone has to  agree up-front that this is the way they wish to lead their lives.

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 1:43:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Why are you haveing trouble? If you step back and look at it, what exactly is causing the trouble you feel?

Would my life be "easier" if I was vanilla and monogamous? Maybe but I know it then wouldn't be my life and it wouldn't be me being who I am supposed to be.


I think the trouble I feel is just because, in admitting and acting on it, my life will probably change again.  I have had 6 major stressors in the last 2 1/2 years and I guess maybe I am not ready for another upheaval.  When I talk to my sub about it, there are many people in my family that are going to effected by a "parting of the ways"
I know I have to deal with it or I'll start getting hard to live with, but I think I'll give myself at least one more week.
Psy

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 2:00:54 PM   
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Psy maybe this will help- when I went through a ton o'upheavals, I pretty much just did a huge step back from everything except the necessities.  I needed the time to heal.  It was also scary for me because it lasted longer than I had anticipated and thought perhaps I had lost my interest/ability to get into those things again.

But I just gave it more time and eventually, my inner self told me when it was ok to start sending out feelers again and when it was right to start using terms and getting out in the world.  It was so much better than it would have been if I had tried to push myself and 'be strong' through it.

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 2:14:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Why are you haveing trouble? If you step back and look at it, what exactly is causing the trouble you feel?

Would my life be "easier" if I was vanilla and monogamous? Maybe but I know it then wouldn't be my life and it wouldn't be me being who I am supposed to be.


I think the trouble I feel is just because, in admitting and acting on it, my life will probably change again. I have had 6 major stressors in the last 2 1/2 years and I guess maybe I am not ready for another upheaval. When I talk to my sub about it, there are many people in my family that are going to effected by a "parting of the ways"
I know I have to deal with it or I'll start getting hard to live with, but I think I'll give myself at least one more week.
Psy


Definitely consider everything before you make any decisions. 6 major upheavels in such a short time will surely cause anyone stress.

If you the money and time you might want to get some objective counseling about all the stress and the events to help you sort through them. Timelines can also help put things into a more objective plane so we can look at them better.

I don't want to promote poly but I can't promote monogamy either. I just think open and honest communication is generally what is most lacking in any relationship and it requires work to do that type of communication.

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 6:09:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

Psy maybe this will help- when I went through a ton o'upheavals, I pretty much just did a huge step back from everything except the necessities.  I needed the time to heal.  It was also scary for me because it lasted longer than I had anticipated and thought perhaps I had lost my interest/ability to get into those things again.

But I just gave it more time and eventually, my inner self told me when it was ok to start sending out feelers again and when it was right to start using terms and getting out in the world.  It was so much better than it would have been if I had tried to push myself and 'be strong' through it.


The first major change is the oldest (2 1/2 years) and it took me most of 2 years to "even out".  Sometimes I think I am moving too slowly because I usually just accomplish whatever it is I have set my mind on.  Other times I think I am moving too quickly because I am dealing with life changing events.  When it was just me, it was much simpler, now that I have the two unmentionables, life is not so black and white.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, it helps when you know others have faced issues that have put their lives on hold.

Psy

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 6:22:22 PM   
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TammyJo,

Again, I have to thank you for your reply, as I mentioned above, because any decision will also have an effect on my unmentionables, I cannot move as quickly as I would like.  I can be spontaneous, but when it comes to life altering decisions, I like to sit on them, weigh the options, talk to people in similar situations and then reflect on what I have learned.

Thankfully, I was in councelling through most of the stressful times as were my dependants, so we are fortunate.  A year and a half ago, I felt like a complete basket case while everyone around me thought I had it all together.  I was screaming inside the whole time.

Now I am so much calmer and less stressed.  I got in touch with my spiritual side and that helps me stay centered and grounded.

After much reflection, I have found that I am not the person my sub hoped I'd be and I'm not the "fall in line" person my family hoped I'd be. 
As I said to a friend of mine recently, to borrow a line from Big & Rich: "Thats the way God made me, I am what I am and I can't do 'nothin 'bout that"
I am poly by nature.  I can do monogomy short term, or if I am hidden away from society (extreme), but in the end, it is not who I am and it will only land up hurting the ones I now try to protect.

It would be so much easier if my sub just decided he needed a "pink" girl and never called me again, but if I can't have this conversation, I couldn't think of myself as a dominant anymore.

Psy

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 6:25:46 PM   
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Simply put, if one is good more can only be better...Right?...Only really should apply to the male of the species.

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RE: Origins of Poly? - 3/16/2007 6:35:35 PM   
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DG,
If it were that simple... more than one is not always better, we know that.
Its just that I have never found "just one" who could satisfy all the facets of my life.  Hence, poly seems more sane.
Psy

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