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popeye1250 -> Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 1:29:39 PM)

There's a story in Yahoo news today about Bush in Brazil "denying" that "The U.S. ignores South America's "problems and poverty."
Correct me if I'm wrong but why am *I* as an American Citizen "responsable" for "problems and poverty" in Brazil or S. America?
Or anyone else on this site?
I think S. America is "responsable" for problems and poverty in the U.S.
What do they "give" us? Illegal aliens, drugs and diseases!
Do you think it's likely that those countries are going to try to put "the touch" on Bush for our money?
Those countries are basically failures because of their rotten governments and corruption and we're supposed to give them money for that?
I'll DEFINATELY be calling my congressman and senators on this.



toservez -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 2:07:00 PM)

We are not, but as the only superpower pushing our beliefs on the world we are a great scapegoat, naturally easy to dislike and any other term for people of these countries to act this way. We are just an easy and obvious target.

Has some of our decisions and money been contributing factors to people having severe problems and poor quality of life, yes, but do I think that we are responsible in the end for what happened, no. In the end people have to be responsible for themselves and time and time again when people do this countries and government have very little power.

The argument to be active in international issues or to be isolationists goes on probably forever in the history of the world. I believe historically though the do not worry or do anything about problems outside our own border has been almost always been a bad decision. Right or wrong, responsible or not, things like this and the Middle East requires an active involvement on some level.



thompsonx -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 2:16:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

There's a story in Yahoo news today about Bush in Brazil "denying" that "The U.S. ignores South America's "problems and poverty."
Correct me if I'm wrong but why am *I* as an American Citizen "responsable" for "problems and poverty" in Brazil or S. America?
Or anyone else on this site?
I think S. America is "responsable" for problems and poverty in the U.S.
What do they "give" us? Illegal aliens, drugs and diseases!
Do you think it's likely that those countries are going to try to put "the touch" on Bush for our money?
Those countries are basically failures because of their rotten governments and corruption and we're supposed to give them money for that?
I'll DEFINATELY be calling my congressman and senators on this.


popeye1250:
If we did not interfere in the business of those countries then perhaps they would not be in the trouble that they are in.  Try reading a book called "I was an economic hit man" to gain  a better understanding of just how forign aid works. 
If you believe that all we get from south of the border are drugs disease and illegal aliens perhaps you ought to educate yourself as to just what we do trade with these countries.  Your ignorance is overwhelming.
thompson



popeye1250 -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 2:31:09 PM)

I listen to Howie Carr on the radio (computer online) in Boston, Mass.
He had a story today about one "Estelle Hernandez"  illegal alien "from a S. American country"13, (yes, thirteen years old) who has a 7 month old baby, "Adolpho Mungia" who she had with another illegal alien "from a S. American country" and she's, "glad because I can't be deported now and can go to school and stay in the U.S. because of the baby."
Thirteen? I wonder why illegal aliens get a "pass" on Statutory Rape?



ncmaster75 -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 2:54:15 PM)

Our country allows drugs and illegal immigrants to come here.  We are the most powerful nation in the world and could easily stop both. But that would be bad for business, and those who don't know this have either been fooled or don't understand how money flows in the world economy.



RWAble -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 3:12:14 PM)

Please stop, I have heard this before.
quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

There's a story in Yahoo news today about Bush in Brazil "denying" that "The U.S. ignores South America's "problems and poverty."
Correct me if I'm wrong but why am *I* as an American Citizen "responsable" for "problems and poverty" in Brazil or S. America?
Or anyone else on this site?
I think S. America is "responsable" for problems and poverty in the U.S.
What do they "give" us? Illegal aliens, drugs and diseases!
Do you think it's likely that those countries are going to try to put "the touch" on Bush for our money?
Those countries are basically failures because of their rotten governments and corruption and we're supposed to give them money for that?
I'll DEFINATELY be calling my congressman and senators on this.



dogthing -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 3:56:21 PM)

I think they were talking about the tariff that the US charges on imported Brazilian ethanol to try to help out US farmers. The South Americans are saying hey, you insist that other countries open up their markets to free trade and you insist that our farmers switch to crops that are legal in the US but then when we find a very good product that we can grow and sell to you, and which your economy wants, you respond by passing a special law to put an import tax on our ethanol to discourage your consumers from buying it from us.

Brazil is saying, it's not fair that the US government demands 54 cents import tariff on every gallon of Brazilian ethanol imported into the US and then uses the money to subsidise ethanol production by its own farmers. They are saying, how is it fair that special taxes are invented to make poorer farmers in the third word help subsidise richer farmers in the US? They are saying, the US pretends that it wants to help South America but they keep finding new ways to screw us over.

The US is saying, we can't do anything about the tariff now because its law until 2009, but to show that we aren't complete bastards and we DO care, what we'll do to try to smooth things over with you is to work with you to encourage other South American countries to switch to using more ethanol, and that way you get a bigger market  for your product outside the US tariff zone, and we get an additional overflow market for our product too, and if we work together to grow the total non-US demand for ethanol, everyone wins.




thompsonx -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 7:09:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I listen to Howie Carr on the radio (computer online) in Boston, Mass.
He had a story today about one "Estelle Hernandez"  illegal alien "from a S. American country"13, (yes, thirteen years old) who has a 7 month old baby, "Adolpho Mungia" who she had with another illegal alien "from a S. American country" and she's, "glad because I can't be deported now and can go to school and stay in the U.S. because of the baby."
Thirteen? I wonder why illegal aliens get a "pass" on Statutory Rape?


popeye1250:
When I was in the service I was stationed in South Carolina for a while and I noticed that it was not all that uncommon for a thirteen year old to have a couple of kids but then they were white and I guess that makes a difference.
thompson



Real0ne -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/9/2007 7:28:19 PM)

one word:  Amero



NorthernGent -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/10/2007 2:26:07 AM)

Popeye, some reading around Nicaragua and the 1986 retreat from the ICJ will help you on your way.

Governments (this includes Britain) are up to their necks in lies and shit and the evidence is either staring people in the face, or in the public domain to be found.

A problem can only be resolved when you recognise there is a problem and I wouldn't expect US governments to be overly concerned with your concerns until there is serious public pressure to change the way they operate. After all, to them, you're a bloke in a house hundreds/thousands of miles away, as are the people of other countries. It's not like a tap you can turn on and off. They either bring a mindset of fairness and social responsibility to government or they do not. If the mindset is not in place, there is no ability to distinguish between American, Iraqi, Pakistani etc being on the receiving end - everyone is fair game for a government with a mindset devoid of concerns for social responsibility.






Zensee -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/10/2007 2:35:44 AM)

From the thread title I thought this was the one where Bush is informed that a terrorist attack has killed nine Brazillian soldiers. After a few moments of horrified silence he asks the aide - "How many are there in a brazillian?"


Z.


PS: Yes, popeye - the USA has some answering to do for the poor state of economic and political affairs in Central and South America.



meatcleaver -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/10/2007 2:52:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

There's a story in Yahoo news today about Bush in Brazil "denying" that "The U.S. ignores South America's "problems and poverty."
Correct me if I'm wrong but why am *I* as an American Citizen "responsable" for "problems and poverty" in Brazil or S. America?
Or anyone else on this site?
I think S. America is "responsable" for problems and poverty in the U.S.
What do they "give" us? Illegal aliens, drugs and diseases!
Do you think it's likely that those countries are going to try to put "the touch" on Bush for our money?
Those countries are basically failures because of their rotten governments and corruption and we're supposed to give them money for that?
I'll DEFINATELY be calling my congressman and senators on this.


In three words 'the Monroe Doctrine'. You tell other people they can't interfer in the Americas, you take on thew problems yourself. If you don't want to help out in South America, you should let South American countries deal with who they want without claiming US interests are at stake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

Some allege that, in practice, the Monroe Doctrine has functioned as a declaration of hegemony and a right of unilateral intervention over the nations of the Western Hemisphere — limited only by prudence, as in the case of British possessions. They point to 79 U.S. military interventions in Latin America and Haiti since 1846[1]. Some critics also point to the work of mercenaries such as William Walker, who briefly installed himself as president of Nicaragua, as inspired by the Monroe Doctrine.



meatcleaver -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/10/2007 3:42:22 AM)

Chavez has his hand on the pulse in regard to Bush's visit..

As the two leaders embarked on separate visits, Mr Chavez - who has made poverty reduction a central plank of his own domestic agenda - said the proposals of his ideological rival were nothing more than a "wolf in sheep's clothing". He also mocked a $75m (£39m)initiative to help teach Latin American children to speak English. "He's a symbol of domination and we are a cry of rebellion against the domination ... he's trying to trick our people to divide us," said Mr Chavez, before heading for a meeting with Argentina's president, Néstor Kirchner. "We don't need tips from the empire."
 
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2344753.ece



pahunkboy -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/10/2007 4:30:08 AM)

well  brazil ought not to cut down the rain forests. all global enviremental treasures ought to be preserved.

a child will spin around get dizzy for alterred state of counscieouness, go back 100s, 1000s of years, man kind brewed wines and etc- to get a buzz. if it truly is a market economy- then the market will fill the demand.

corporation exploit people the globe over- as workers, as community-etc.

Katrina is STILL here- in regards to the needy.

corporate power has run amuck- there-in lies the problem.



popeye1250 -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/11/2007 2:26:03 PM)

Just read on yahoo that Bush is in Colombia today and called them an "Allie."
They get "more money from the U.S. than any country outside the Middle East and Afganistan." "Four $Billion since 2002 in "the war on drugs.
Funny, we're giving $ to countries that smuggle drugs into the U.S.?
There's more drugs in this country now than there's ever been!
I wonder if Bush has "certified" that MEXICO is an "allie" on drugs too?
What kind of thinking is this in Washington?
We need to be closing embasseys, shutting down telecommunications, internet, air carrier service, wire service, postal service, shipping, to Mexico and Colombia.And close that Mexican border like it should be. And start getting their people in our country illegally deported. All of them.
And if that doesn't stop the flow of drugs you start bombing their cities and infrastructure.
I bet if we took out half of Mexico city and Bogata that would take a nice bite out of the drug traffic!
And if it continues you get a lot tougher.
That's a "Drug War." And it wouldn't last long.
And Bush wants to give those countries our money?
And he calls them "allies?"???
Bush is insane!



cyberdude611 -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/11/2007 6:36:16 PM)

I read on the internet once that the grand plan is within 30 years, Cuba will become a state and within 50 years Mexico will become a state. By allowing the immigration, it will make the annexation easier.

The US has been trying to take over Cuba since the Spanish-American war in the late 19th century. The US tried again in the mid-20th century with the Bay of Pigs invasion. It looks like we may be willing to try again. When Fidel Castro finally dies, the US will have an oppertunity to make a move. Of course this could put the US on the path to war with Hugo Chavez.



asubmissiveheart -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/11/2007 6:39:01 PM)

I have also heard that Mexico will eventually become a state, do you think it will
take 50 years?



gooddogbenji -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/11/2007 6:48:59 PM)

Bush, in his early morning security briefing, was being told the death toll in Iraq from the previous day. 

"3 dead in Basra, 25 dead in Fajulla, 18 dead in Baghdad..."

Bush takes this all in stride; just another day at war.

After listing off a few dozen dead, the aide adds "oh, yeah, and 6 Brazilians died just a few hours ago."

As the rest of the room just nods, Bush's jaw drops.  He goes white, tears well up, and the room is silent.  He buries his head in his hands, and weeps silently.

After several minutes, he looks up, tears streaming down his face, and turns to Cheney.

"Dick, *sob* remind me again...  *sob*  how many millions are in a brazillion?"

Yours,


benji



popeye1250 -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/11/2007 7:05:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Chavez has his hand on the pulse in regard to Bush's visit..

As the two leaders embarked on separate visits, Mr Chavez - who has made poverty reduction a central plank of his own domestic agenda - said the proposals of his ideological rival were nothing more than a "wolf in sheep's clothing". He also mocked a $75m (£39m)initiative to help teach Latin American children to speak English. "He's a symbol of domination and we are a cry of rebellion against the domination ... he's trying to trick our people to divide us," said Mr Chavez, before heading for a meeting with Argentina's president, Néstor Kirchner. "We don't need tips from the empire."
 
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2344753.ece


Meat, I don't want to see them "divided" I want to see them "seperated" from the U.S.
Teach them Swahili not English!
Too much gravy train.



thompsonx -> RE: Bush in Brazil. Stop me if you've heard this one before! (3/11/2007 7:34:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Just read on yahoo that Bush is in Colombia today and called them an "Allie."
They get "more money from the U.S. than any country outside the Middle East and Afganistan." "Four $Billion since 2002 in "the war on drugs.
Funny, we're giving $ to countries that smuggle drugs into the U.S.?
There's more drugs in this country now than there's ever been!
I wonder if Bush has "certified" that MEXICO is an "allie" on drugs too?
What kind of thinking is this in Washington?
We need to be closing embasseys, shutting down telecommunications, internet, air carrier service, wire service, postal service, shipping, to Mexico and Colombia.And close that Mexican border like it should be. And start getting their people in our country illegally deported. All of them.
And if that doesn't stop the flow of drugs you start bombing their cities and infrastructure.
I bet if we took out half of Mexico city and Bogata that would take a nice bite out of the drug traffic!
And if it continues you get a lot tougher.
That's a "Drug War." And it wouldn't last long.
And Bush wants to give those countries our money?
And he calls them "allies?"???
Bush is insane!

popeye1250:
Do you only open your mouth to change feet?
I know you have mentioned that you watch the history channel...have they told you yet how the U.S. happened to acquire over half of  Mexico?  Or perhaps that they might want it back.
Were you aware that the fourth largest economy on the planet,California, has for its number one trading partner the country of Mexico.  So If you close all trade with Mexico then you would destroy the economy of California.  Do you hate mexicans so much that you would seek to destroy the state of California to do so? 
What is the source of your hatred of mexicans?  Did some mexican bend you over when your were a youngster...Do you have an ex-wife that is a mexican? 
Popeye...you have over three thousand post and I have read them all do you realize that over half of them concern either direct or veiled hatred of latinos.  Your hatred seems all consuming to the point that you would seek to destroy the U.S. economy (yes California is part of the U.S. so to crush the California economy would have a crushing effect on the U.S. economy)to accomplish it.
Thompson



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