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Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/9/2007 6:00:43 AM   
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I am continually amazed....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070308/ts_nm/polarbears_scientists_dc
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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/9/2007 6:26:35 AM   
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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/9/2007 7:53:40 AM   
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There's an article in todays UK Daily Telegraph saying that in fact the number of Polar Bears is not decreasing anyway ! 

The increase is put down to the Bears natural prey, seals I think, being protected by conservation orders. Plenty of
seals means plenty of food for the Bears.

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/9/2007 8:53:59 AM   
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er... did you actually read that article?

The group that funded that research was an Inuit Hunting lobbying group (you see, polar bears are now a protected species [due to their drastic drop in numbers, globally] and they are restricted as to how, if at all,  they may hunt them, and their most direct food supply, seals and seal cubs). 

From the article:



"Polar bear experts said that numbers had increased not because of climate change but due to the efforts of conservationists.
The battle to ban the hunting of Harp seal pups has meant the seal population has soared - boosting the bears' food supply."

"I don't think there is any question polar bears are in danger from global warming," said Andrew Derocher of the World Conservation Union, and a professor of biological sciences at the University of Alberta in Edmonton. "People who deny that have a clear interest in hunting bears."

"They are declining due to global warming and changes in when the ice freezes and melts in Hudson's Bay," he added. He and other scientists in his group are concerned that the retreating ice in the Arctic may pose a danger to future generations of polar bears because of 'habitat loss'. "The critical problem is the sea ice is changing. "We're looking ahead three generations, 30 to 50 years.
"To say that bear populations are growing in one area now is irrelevant."


The majority of the article you refer to ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/09/wpolar09.xml  )refutes both the legitimacy and accuracy of this isolated report. 

Polar Bears are not just dying of malnutrition, but from drowning.

Let me provide a few scientifically accredited articles for you which support the almost universal belief among the scientific community that Polar Bears are in fact perishing, not thriving, due to Global Warming:

http://www.livescience.com/environment/ap_polar_bears_050131.html

http://www.nwf.org/wildlifeandglobalwarming/testimony.cfm

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB113452435089621905-vnekw47PQGtDyf3iv5XEN71_o5I_20061214.html

http://www.alaskareport.com/z44899.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060618233605.htm

http://www.physorg.com/news82835709.html


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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 12:27:38 PM   
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Ok so hunting polar bears is wrong???

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 12:39:26 PM   
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I believe there are serious restrictions upon both who may hunt them (only members of indigenous tribes), and the number they are allowed to hunt each year (6, I think) as the animal has been put on a national watch list and is being considered to be added to the endangered species.

From the World Wildlife Federation webpage:


With about 22,000 polar bears living in the wild, the species is not currently endangered, but its future is far from certain. In 1973, Canada, the United States, Denmark, Norway and the former U.S.S.R. signed the International Agreement on the Conservation of Polar Bears and their Habitat. This agreement restricts the hunting of polar bears and directs each nation to protect their habitats, but it does not protect the bears against the biggest man-made threat to their survival: global warming. If current warming trends continue unabated, scientists believe that polar bears may disappear within 100 years. WWF funds field research by the world's foremost experts on polar bears to find out how global warming will affect the long-term condition polar bears. To learn more about the topic, read the WWF report Vanishing Kingdom: The Melting Realm of the Polar Bear (PDF, 885k). (WWF's report, Polar Bears at Risk (PDF, 373k), provides a more detailed analysis.)


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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 1:19:51 PM   
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"I don't think there is any question polar bears are in danger from global warming," said Andrew Derocher of the World Conservation Union, and a professor of biological sciences at the University of Alberta in Edmonton. "People who deny that have a clear interest in hunting bears."




sheesh, dont they know hunters make THE BEST nature conservationists??

helloooooo, if there is no land, where will they hunt?

edit to add, i heard they were officially endangered, no?


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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 4:00:40 PM   
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Puella: I haven't read your links because my Dial Up is too slow.
but a big BUT follows.......
in your quote from the Daily Telegraph <from the article>

Para 1 confirms what I said
Paras 2 and 3 simply point out that if  the Ice Caps melt then Polar Bears may have a problem.If the Sun is the cause of Global Warming then the Polar Bears may well be threatened.

but another big BUT...
I saw a programme about Polar Bears that showed that after winter hibernation if a female emerges with a cub then it is crucial that within a short time food is found or the cub perishes. So...if plenty of seals exist is  not cub survival more likely.?

So the Polar Bears should do OK and the Inuits can carry on their traditions. NO?
Emotion Puella....emotion....gets us nowhere.

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 4:59:07 PM   
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There are not more seals for the Bears to eat because there is no such thing as global warming.  There are more seals for the bears to eat because the hunters are being seriously curtailed from killing them for their hides, which is what the article was saying.. or more accurately, the rest of the scientific community besides the couple the Hunters Lobby hired to produce that 'study' which was not peer reviewed or approved.

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 5:07:53 PM   
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Puella: you are usually so lucid.
What happened ? lol
Let it all out, I'm here to help !!!

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 5:09:56 PM   
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I am quite lucid.... ?

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 5:11:00 PM   
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they are more than welcome to come down here and bag some of these damn gators.


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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 5:20:14 PM   
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quote:

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Emotion Puella....emotion....gets us nowhere.



In my opinion, seeksfemslave, it really doesnt do your intellectual position much positive energy to personalize it this way by attacking puella or suggesting she is being unclear or emotional.

Seems a bit kindergartnerish to me.

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 5:22:43 PM   
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Hehe, I am still trying to figure out where I was being overly emotional and not clear?  lol

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 8:05:30 PM   
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seeksfemslave:
You have not read the links but they must be wrong because?????  Oh yes...you want them to.  Does the dog eat your homework often?  You usually don't disagree with things you have not read.  You are a little off your game ...have you taken your meds today?
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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/12/2007 8:12:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

Hehe, I am still trying to figure out where I was being overly emotional and not clear?  lol


It is a lot easier to emotionally attack somebody who posts than it is to actually find proof of one's opinion and
put it out to be commented on or attacked by other people.

Enjoy your evening, puella.

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/13/2007 1:38:24 AM   
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From one of the links.....
The Canadian Wildlife Service study documents a 22 percent decline in the size of the western Hudson Bay polar bear population, from 1,194 in 1987 to 935 in 2004. Although researchers cannot determine the degree to which legal polar bear harvesting by Canadian Inuit has affected the population, they agree changing sea ice is partly to blame.

U.S. polar bears are found only in northern Alaska where, to date, USGS research has not linked global warming to changing population dynamics, according to Regehr and his colleague, George Durner, another UW Ph.D. candidate who has worked with the USGS on polar bear research for 14 years.

Firm inconclusive results there then !

Do all the links refer to the University of Wyoming ? lol

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/13/2007 7:13:20 AM   
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That is the problem with excerpting.  Unless you continue to read the body of work as a whole, you will often not actually understand what is being said. The article states that US polar bears are found in a much more northerly locale than the Canadian bears, and thus the effects have not been felt yet.  The Canadian bears can be seen to foreshadow what will eventually happen to the American bears as the effects intensify. 



“U.S. polar bears are found only in northern Alaska where, to date, USGS research has not linked global warming to changing population dynamics, according to Regehr and his colleague, George Durner, another UW Ph.D. candidate who has worked with the USGS on polar bear research for 14 years."

(and if you continue on past the paragraph you exceprted...)



"Western Hudson Bay is near the southern limit of polar bears' range. As such, USGS researchers say findings in that region may foreshadow how more northern polar bear populations (specifically those in Alaska) could respond if the Arctic continues to warm as predicted by climatologists.”



As to your query, yes, had you read more than one of the links I previously posted, more than the University of Wyoming has provided peer reviewed research and results, time and time and time again.  It should be noted however that the University of Wyoming has a internationally recognized programs in both Atmospheric and Animal Science.

Here are a few more articles and institutions of good repute which have studies supporting the evidence that global warming is reducing the numbers of Polar Bears:

Harvard:

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/03.22/09-mccarthy.html


NASA:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6341451/

National Wildlife Federation:

http://nwf.blogs.com/nwf_view/

University of Chicago and the US Fish and Wildlife Service:

http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/061005/bears.shtml

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060618233605.htm

Scientific Journal Arctic, NASA and the Canadian Wildlife Service:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/GlobalWarming/story?id=2399825&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

The Peer-Reviewed Journal, Nature and the United Nations Environment Program:

http://earthtrends.wri.org/updates/node/138

IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change):
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-06/uoc-css061606.php

And even….George Bush:

http://en.ce.cn/World/Americas/200612/28/t20061228_9919581.shtml

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RE: Hey, shut up about the Polar Bears, already! - 3/13/2007 9:11:37 AM   
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I thought this thread was about big hairy gay men who were happy one minute then sad.

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