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kyraofMists -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/10/2007 5:38:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

In other words, if I get positive benefits out of BDSM, why can't I count it as a valid positive coping mechanism?

Master Fire



I agree with what you said in your post and especially this last line.

Much like exercise, BDSM can have some positive effects on a person's physical and emotional state.  When I was depressed, my therapist encouraged me to exercise and find other healthy activities that made me feel good.  As long as the activity makes me feel good about my self afterwards, I think it can be useful as one of the coping mechanisms that I have.  If it was my only coping mechanism or made me feel worse about myself, then I would question whether it was healthy for me or not.

Knight's kyra




ForestPrincess -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/10/2007 7:27:57 AM)

I have enjoyed reading this thread; it's a good discussion on an important topic.  Please note that my remarks are from the perspective of someone obtaining medical treatment for depression, or anxiety.  These illnesses are a physical malfunction in the body and as such, I believe they should be treated just like any other.  I can't help but notice, like usual, that it's easy to tell who *has* had depression and who has not.  And like usual, the people *without* a certain condition (in this case depression) worry the most about it, even though they don't know what it feels like.  Please, I don't mean that offensively, but just as a "stop and think about this" remark.  Participating in BDSM as a coping mechanism for depression seems no different to me than jogging, going to a rav, driving a car, or jumping out of an airplane... and depressed people do these things every day.  When we suffer from depression, anything and everything COULD trigger an episode... and, we COULD jog in front of a car, or we COULD forget to pull our ripcord... we COULD subject ourselves to more severe BDSM play than we should on any given night.  And if your thinking, "What does driving a car have to do with this, then you've obviously never suddenly contemplated driving off a bridge or veering into a big truck.  There are millions of people who suffer depression and anxiety.  How many people are aware that excessive TV viewing or book reading can be a coping mechanism?  That guy beside you on the treadmill who "lives" at the workout gym might be depressed and *redirecting* their mixed up emotions into an obsession with working out (not for fitness, but just to occupy their minds).  So do we have to stop all these things to protect ourselves and those around us from some POSSIBLE breakdown?  Most of the time, if we were *that* ill, a doctor would have already noticed and put us in a hospital.  Those of us with afflictions are trying to live a normal life.  Do you tell a crippled person they can't play because there's a bigger chance they might get hurt?  I haven't seen that happen unless the condition is really severe and the play scene really extravagant.

Everything in moderation.  That's the key to life and the key to BDSM for the most of us.  Now if you're undergoing a 'breaking in' as a The Marketplace type slave would be, where treatment will be severe and mental/emotional anguish could be diminishing to your mental capacity, then yes, depression or any other ailment becomes a very valid issue.  But I see very very few people living/playing at that extreme level of D/s.  Have you thought of this... people with depression are practiced and thus better prepared to recognize and deal with sub/top drop than a 'normal' person?  I applaud the one responder to this thread that eluded to the real truth about our lifestyle.... that MANY of us have some sort of emotional "issue" that causes us to find BDSM curing/medicating.

So if you're depressed, see a doctor, but don't stop living.  It will probably be a couple of generations yet before we get rid of the old stigma that depression is a "mental illness", and that people like that are "dangerous".  There's nothing "wrong" with our mind... it's just a physical malfunction.  I've been in treatment for acute anxiety and depression for five years.. taking my meds like clockwork and most of the time, I feel great.  Does it affect my life?  Sometimes, but not near as much as having Restless Leg Syndrome and spending night after night fitfully tired but can't sleep!  Hit me too hard with a whip after I've not slept for three days... THEN you'll see an emotional breakdown! LOL

Please don't think I'm tossing this off as nothing and all depression is the same.. I'm not.  Some cases, like with any illness, are more severe.  CHRONIC depression or a *clinical* depression diagnosis would be more concerning to me.  And folks, getting "down" about something or having a few bad days, is not depression... it's just a down time.  While a lot of good things were said in this thread, I'm afraid that if a good fuck makes you feel better, that's not depression.  If you have a great fuck and you STILL feel down, THAT's depression.  Or, not wanting the good fuck in the first place, THAT's depression! LOL

Keep us all together, and keep riding the storm out,
Princess




pagansub77 -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/10/2007 9:31:57 AM)

I suffer from depression and I'm medicated. BDSM is one of the few activities I actually enjoy and can push myself to participate in when what I'd rather do is go back to bed and sleep for days. I think that's a good thing.

I am a bit tired of some folks who don't recognize that depression isn't always about anything. They say thigs like "well, cheer up" or "what are you depressed about?" HellOOOOOOOOO.....it's a chemical imbalance in my brain! It has nothing to do with anything that has happened or is happening.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/10/2007 9:44:30 AM)

WE find many in the lifestyle as well as some of our vanilla Friends suffer from some sort of depression...ONE girl that lived with us for a while under consideration had a depression problem and  after a while couldn't be left alone,When some one came and we were gone she run and hide in the bath room with all the dogs barking..She was a cutter which made things twice as bad,WE tried our level best as we thought a lot of this one..In the end she returned home to live with her father himself a shrink with a self diagnose  and just as bad as she...meds help plenty of folks if they stay on track..Support groups help much also.Some times all you need to help is some that is willing to listen and under stand..of course just this ol" masters opinion and subject to change....bounty




KnightofMists -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/10/2007 12:55:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

In other words, if I get positive benefits out of BDSM, why can't I count it as a valid positive coping mechanism?

Master Fire



I agree with what you said in your post and especially this last line.

Much like exercise, BDSM can have some positive effects on a person's physical and emotional state.  When I was depressed, my therapist encouraged me to exercise and find other healthy activities that made me feel good.  As long as the activity makes me feel good about my self afterwards, I think it can be useful as one of the coping mechanisms that I have.  If it was my only coping mechanism or made me feel worse about myself, then I would question whether it was healthy for me or not.

Knight's kyra


I just wanted to make a qualifying note here:

It's one thing to do "Things" (BDSM or otherwise) to feel better and good of oneself.  But, it is an entirely different thing to NEED to do "A Thing" (BDSM or otherwise) to feel good of oneself.

The first one reflects the multiple ways one can seek to feel good of one self and life in general.  The other is rather specific and can be a very disastrous path when the "Thing to Do" is dependent on another person's power.  This type of thinking can lead a person to a dysfunctional co-dependency situation and/or an abusive situation. 




jadein -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/10/2007 1:06:14 PM)

I agree completly with what Princess and pagansubs post.  And Knights of Mist although I understand exactly where you are coming from and pretty much agree with it ... At the core of it all ... This "lifestyle" is all about feeding some sort of neurosis and if you get right down to the nitty gritty ... It is essentially a co-dependant relationship unless you are talking about two switches.   Just my opinion of course. 




KnightofMists -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/10/2007 2:05:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jadein

... It is essentially a co-dependant relationship unless you are talking about two switches.   Just my opinion of course. 


I would have to strongly disagree.  There are co-dependant relationships in this lifestyle for sure.  But to label all as Co-dependent is just plain silly at it's best.  I would suggest that many are Inter-dependent relationships.  There is a big difference between the two. 




MasterFireMaam -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/11/2007 3:32:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

In other words, if I get positive benefits out of BDSM, why can't I count it as a valid positive coping mechanism?

Master Fire



I agree with what you said in your post and especially this last line.

Much like exercise, BDSM can have some positive effects on a person's physical and emotional state.  When I was depressed, my therapist encouraged me to exercise and find other healthy activities that made me feel good.  As long as the activity makes me feel good about my self afterwards, I think it can be useful as one of the coping mechanisms that I have.  If it was my only coping mechanism or made me feel worse about myself, then I would question whether it was healthy for me or not.

Knight's kyra


I just wanted to make a qualifying note here:

It's one thing to do "Things" (BDSM or otherwise) to feel better and good of oneself.  But, it is an entirely different thing to NEED to do "A Thing" (BDSM or otherwise) to feel good of oneself.

The first one reflects the multiple ways one can seek to feel good of one self and life in general.  The other is rather specific and can be a very disastrous path when the "Thing to Do" is dependent on another person's power.  This type of thinking can lead a person to a dysfunctional co-dependency situation and/or an abusive situation. 


It's also indicitive of an addictive personality, which is kinda what I was alluding to with the glass of wine leading to alcoholism. But, an addiction is not what a positive, valid coping mechanism is...and that's what I'm arguing for here. I mean, I damn well know decent sex can pull me out of a funk really fast and I don't drop from it. So, if I found that I got the same affects from BDSM, I'd add that to my coping arsenal that also includes baths, craft, spinning poi and music.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: BDSM and depression (3/11/2007 3:38:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jadein

I agree completly with what Princess and pagansubs post.  And Knights of Mist although I understand exactly where you are coming from and pretty much agree with it ... At the core of it all ... This "lifestyle" is all about feeding some sort of neurosis and if you get right down to the nitty gritty ... It is essentially a co-dependant relationship unless you are talking about two switches.   Just my opinion of course. 


I totally disagree with this. The transfer of authority between two people doesn't mean the relationship is codependent any more than a BDSM scene is abusive. Yes, it can look that way and yes, it can actually be that way, but it doesn't have to be.

We're dealing with real relationships here. Thus, I feel that we come into them as equal adults with equal needs and equally important boundaries. That my girl has decided to transfer authority to me doesn't mean she's less than as a human being. she is different in status, yes, because that's what we have agreed upon, but I still respect her as a person and I value her as such.

Master Fire




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