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Dog depression? - 3/7/2007 6:31:27 PM

sasshay

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My 3 year old Schnoodle, Heidi, has just finished her 3rd heat. I noticed after her 2nd, she went into some kind of depression. Not as enthusiastic, stayed to herself, not very happy. Then, it's over in a few days. She's doing that now. So, does anyone know something about this phenomenon? I think she knows "something" was supposed to happen (being bred and getting pregnant) and it didn't and it has affected her negatively. I love nature!
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RE: Dog depression? - 3/7/2007 7:18:30 PM

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She is having some drastic hormone changes. Just be patient and don’t change your routine.

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/7/2007 8:09:33 PM

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since it's a snoodle I say its bi-polar.

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/7/2007 8:38:08 PM

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Is there any reason you are not getting her spayed if you do not intend to breed her?

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/7/2007 8:47:28 PM

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She needs to get laid.

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/7/2007 9:11:57 PM

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My doggie had some liver problems a few weeks ago, and was in the Veterinary hospital for 10 days. I felt so guilty visiting him there, because he was obviously depressed to be in there at all (but he really needed to be there) - I think he thought I had abandoned him, and-or was giving him away. He was noticeably depressed while he was there.

He got noticeably cheerier the day I brought him home, though. So yes, I agree there is a thing as "depression" for doggies. I mean, animals have emotions, too, don't they?

Good luck w/your poochie.

- Susan

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/7/2007 10:56:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

My doggie had some liver problems a few weeks ago, and was in the Veterinary hospital for 10 days. I felt so guilty visiting him there, because he was obviously depressed to be in there at all (but he really needed to be there) - I think he thought I had abandoned him, and-or was giving him away. He was noticeably depressed while he was there.

He got noticeably cheerier the day I brought him home, though. So yes, I agree there is a thing as "depression" for doggies. I mean, animals have emotions, too, don't they?

Good luck w/your poochie.

- Susan

Susan, sure, animals definately have emotions!
When I got back last fall from my trip to Omaha and Kansas City my cat Bubba went crazy when I walked in the door after being gone for 6 days!
He was meowing real loud , about the loudest I've ever heard him. He's normally a very quiet cat.
I had a friend check on him daily as I left him here in the condo and made sure he had plenty of food and water but he must have been lonely all by himself.

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/8/2007 1:21:22 AM

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I agree, it's probably hormonal......I'm sure they go thru similiar changes as humans do. Spaying her would probably be a good idea if you're not going to breed her. And yes, I firmly believe that animals can suffer depression just like we do. My dog had always had a cat to play with. When I moved for a job change, I had to leave the cat behind....the ex got custody. I brought the dog. My job is in a 24/7 environment, and there were occasions that he'd seem so down to me that it broke my heart. When I'd come home after 16 hours, he'd act like I'd been gone for days. I couldn't even leave a room without him attached to my heels. I was finally able to get a cat for him, and he just perked right up. Anyway....I ended up having to put my dog to sleep, and my cat spent two weeks looking for him....he wouldn't let anyone near his dog bed, (there were two other cats in the house), he'd wander around crying for hours. That led to me getting two more kittens....KB adopted them as his, and he's a great mom to them...grooms them, wraps his paws around them when they sleep together. Now, he's happy and well-adjusted....well, as much as any cat can be!

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/8/2007 5:43:37 AM

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if dogs tail id down, nose dry- the dog is ill.

sheba was- due to eating a bird.

her menstral cycles was too hard on her. if u are low income there are programs that help defray the cost. $30 was my part. [$10 of it- was 4 a shot]

HINT; dont agree to pay for extra pain killer. they try to sell you a "package".

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/8/2007 3:31:15 PM

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Bitches of the doggie type can definately become both mentally and physically unwell if they dont breed a few pups now and then.

I have heard it said that the same applies to bitches of the species homo sapiens. lol
Maybe the saying keep 'em poor and pregnant is not so wide of the mark after all !!!

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/8/2007 3:43:27 PM

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Bitches can experience some serious and even life-threatening illnesses related to their heat cycles. You need to get her spayed. She most likely went through a false pregnancy.

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/8/2007 8:23:48 PM

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I appreciate all the feed back. Yes, I plan on her being bred but finding another Schnoodle around here is hard to do. If she goes back in heat within the next year and she doesn't get bred, I was planning on the spaying. She'd make a great mom. She took over my kitten when I first got him, he's not my cat, he's her cat. I'd like for her to have at least one litter. But that may not happen. Again, thanks. s

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/8/2007 8:27:07 PM

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If you want to locate a reputable breeder, try the American Kennel Club....i'm sure they have websites just like everyone else.......you may have to drive a bit, but if breeding is what you ultimately are looking for, you may have to do just that. I'm not that familiar with the breed, but most canines usually go into heat every 6 months or so.

Good luck!

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/9/2007 2:09:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: soultoshare

If you want to locate a reputable breeder, try the American Kennel Club....i'm sure they have websites just like everyone else.......you may have to drive a bit, but if breeding is what you ultimately are looking for, you may have to do just that. I'm not that familiar with the breed, but most canines usually go into heat every 6 months or so.

Good luck!

Schnoodles are not purebred dogs, so the AKC would not be able to help in that regard. They are a crossbreed between a Schnauzer and a Poodle. Animal Control facilities are loaded with purebred and mixed breed dogs, many of which were bred by well meaning people.

Puppy mills started a dozen or so years ago creating "designer dogs" that are nothing more than mixed breeds, but they sound exotic and the public took to them. Some breeders of so-called designer dogs will tell you that they are healthier but this is simply untrue. They actually have just as many health issues as purebred dogs and then some. The reason being that all purebred breeds of dogs have diseases or health issues that plague the breed. So when you mix two breeds, you aren't just dealing with the issues of one breed, you're now dealing with the issues of two (or more) breeds.

I don't know the OP, but I'll say this...... breeding dogs should be left to those who know what they are doing. People who know their breed and who know animal husbandry. They should know the pedigree behind the dogs they are planning on breeding, including the health histories (genetically based diseases, etc) because you could be breeding together two dogs who carry the markers for any number of diseases or health issues, and producing puppies that are walking genetic disasters. And the new unsuspecting puppy buyers are left with a broken heart and astronomical vet bills.

You also risk losing your bitch to any number of complications that can arise from pregnancy and giving birth. This can happen to the most knowledgeable and experienced breeder. You could be left with a litter of orphaned puppies. You have to ask yourself is it worth it just to have a litter of puppies or would it be better to enjoy your dog as your companion/pet and have her spayed.

My nickels worth.

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RE: Dog depression? - 3/9/2007 11:14:17 PM

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I am very familiar with the puppy farms....out family raised St Bernards, and there was a horrific amount of inbreeding during the 70's and 80's which resulted in defective puppies.

Yes, i did forget that the schnoodles are part of the class called designer dogs.....blame it on the lack of sleep. Knowing the health history of the parents is important, knowing the inherent problems that each breed has will also be helpful. For instance, if the parents of your schnoodle were both standard size, then hip dysplasia should be considered....most larger breeds develop it because of their growth patterns, and is a genetic defect......you don't want to breed dogs with that defect....it's painful for the animal, expensive to treat, and non-fatal, which means you'll have to go thru the heartbreak of putting the animal down....been there, done that, totally sucked!

If you are serious about breeding, then start with the person that you got your puppy from. Don't breed her with the first dog you find...see paragraph and post above. It takes a lot of research, and time, and you should be prepared to do it, for the safety of your dog.

OK, enuf......good luck.....
m

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