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Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 6:29:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Edward Mandell House had this to say in a private meeting with President Woodrow Wilson:

“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging.  By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. 
 
Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent,   forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call  “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”
 
http://www.gemworld.com/EdMandellHouse.htm
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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 6:48:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh huh.  And we will gladly continue to go forth along this path s long as we are made to feel comfortable.

*sigh*

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 7:18:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		So lets get this right, Mandell House was mainly a foreign policy type, and the movement towards a federal reserve bank was started by congress in 1910 led by the republican Aldrich and the page quoted cites no sources, therefore to my mind lacks some credibility. A google for a selected quote from the claimed speech gives the page you cite, one about smoking, a site advocating the gold standard and an individual blog. Hardly credible at all to my mind

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 7:36:44 PM   
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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 9:28:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have read this before. I have also read that Wilson regretted allowing it to happen, saying inasmuch "I have sold my people into slavery".

I believe this one is true, can't prove it roght now, but take a look around. Most don't see it because they were born into it, most of us only see what has gotten worse in our lifetime. They don't see how nice it was in the old days, when the strong survived. You see old westerns and figure the whole world was a hellhole, is was not. There were many people to take the law into their hands and right things, and be good neighbors and cooperate with the society in which they lived.

Problem is, just like TV news, those people didn't have the really interesting stories. They don't tell you that there really wasn't a great train robbery every two weeks, They ran the movie. It is part of the ploy to get people to accept "law and order", which is basically slavery now. It used to be law and order, people handled it.

They didn't tell you what the townsmen did to guys that beat their Wife. They see her with bruises they would put a burning garter on the porch. If she shows up in town again bruised up, about seven Men go and beat the living shit out of the guy, I mean put him in a bed for a few months. This was very effective since then he was the vulnerable one.

They make people think that there was a new swearing in of deputies every week to go on the posse, because they robbed the bank. Happened all the time.

Wanna know who the real theives were ? The carpetbaggers. I am not even going there, that is damnear a hijack.

We let the government handle way too much for us. Education comes to mind, retirement, holy shit there is money involved, what kind of fool would want them handling that ? Taking care of the sick. OK, they have the system down pat. In the US we pay the most for health care but get the shittiest results. For proof do to google and search for "America by the numbers". If it is gone I have it saved, lemme know. They got cites, and their cites got cites. We have the infant mortality rate of a third world country, yet spend more per capita than anywhere else in the world. And, we have some very rich doctors. What is more, we have some hospital and HMO execs who are ALOT richer.

Taxes ? Taxes can't even begin to pay the interest on the national debt. Then there are the ones who mistakenly think the national debt is money "the government owes to itself", so everything is OK. Not even is it not OK, because it deflates the currency, it is also a myth. Foreign corporations and governments, as well as international bankers hold our note. They could wreck our currency in a heartbeat, so could China, thus proving the old adage that "the pen is mightier than the sword".

I don't know what made Wilson fess up to what he did, but FDR capitalized on it, and if I meet him in hell I will have a talk with the devil, to make sure hell is REALLY hell for him.

Most Presidents have been mediocre at best. The fanfare and the "honor" is all fake. They are regular people like you and I, but not quite as smart. They never had any real challenges. Most candidates are totally aloof about the plight of "their people", they think everything is fine.

Why do you think you get shuffled ¼ mile away if you are anti-Bush when he comes to town ? He is being handled, and is too fucking stoooopid to see it. And if he wised up they would shoot him, sure as shit.

Now, can someone come up with some ideas that might cause the DEATH of econimic slavery ? I think media is the key.

T

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 9:37:37 PM   
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Taking care of the sick. OK, they have the system down pat. In the US we pay the most for health care but get the shittiest results.


To argue that point pop into the free healthcare thread and see what can happen when the state truly runs healthcare (or not as the case may be)

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 10:15:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just happened to find that site earlier today, and threw it out here for review before I logged off for dinner.

I've looked around and found passages from Phillip Dru which suggests that such a conversation may have occurred, but I couldn't find anything to confirm whether the dialog between House and Wilson did or didn't take place.

Maybe I threw it out here too hastily.

This would have been a better source anyway:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm

edited for typo

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 10:19:49 PM   
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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 10:26:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Subfever, Phillip Dru was a work of fiction, if that really is where the conversation took place it nullifies the entire argument.

As for apfn, a "no plane at pentagon" site, well go back, read the thread on true terrorists responsible and see why I for one immediately think they are lacking much real credibilty

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 10:30:42 PM   
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Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”
 
http://www.gemworld.com/EdMandellHouse.htm


Bet i have more case law than domken?  nah nah neeeener neeener

The rest of the story:
http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

31 Questions and Answers about the Internal Revenue Service   Revision 3.3   certified by   Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S. Citizen of California, Federal Witness, Private Attorney General, Author and Webmaster of the Supreme Law Library   Internet URL of home page: http://www.supremelaw.org   Internet URL of this file: http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm   Common Law Copyright All Rights Reserved without Prejudice     1.               Is the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury?   Answer:  No.  The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury.  The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, abbreviated “31 U.S.C.”  The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 301‑310 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS.  See 31 U.S.C. 301(f)(2).   At footnote 23 in the case of Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 U.S. 281 (1979), the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D.  The Guarantee Clause in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats).  See Article IV, Section 4.  Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.     2.               If not an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury, then what exactly is the IRS?   Answer:  The IRS appears to be a collection agency working for foreign banks and operating out of Puerto Rico under color of the Federal Alcohol Administration (“FAA”).  But the FAA was promptly declared unconstitutional inside the 50 States by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of U.S. v. Constantine, 296 U.S. 287 (1935), because Prohibition had already been repealed. In 1998, the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit identified a second “Secretary of the Treasury” as a man by the name of Manual Díaz-Saldaña.  See the definitions of “Secretary” and “Secretary or his delegate” at 27 CFR 26.11 (formerly 27 CFR 250.11), and the published decision in Used Tire International, Inc. v. Manual Díaz-Saldaña, court docket number 97‑2348, September 11, 1998.  Both definitions mention Puerto Rico.   When all the evidence is examined objectively, IRS appears to be a money laundry, extortion racket, and conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1951 and 1961 et seq. (“RICO”).  Think of Puerto RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act);  in other words, it is an organized crime syndicate operating under false and fraudulent pretenses.  See also the Sherman Act and the Lanham Act.     3.               By what legal authority, if any, has the IRS established offices inside the 50 States of the Union?   Answer:  After much diligent research, several investigators have concluded that there is no known Act of Congress, nor any Executive Order, giving IRS lawful jurisdiction to operate within any of the 50 States of the Union.   Their presence within the 50 States appears to stem from certain Agreements on Coordination of Tax Administration (“ACTA”), which officials in those States have consummated with the Commissioner of Internal Revenue.  A template for ACTA agreements can be found at the IRS Internet website and in the Supreme Law Library on the Internet.   However, those ACTA agreements are demonstrably fraudulent, for example, by expressly defining “IRS” as a lawful bureau within the U.S. Department of the Treasury.  (See Answer to Question 1 above.)  Moreover, those ACTA agreements also appear to violate State laws requiring competitive bidding before such a service contract can be awarded by a State government to any subcontractor.  There is no evidence to indicate that ACTA agreements were reached after competitive bidding processes;  on the contrary, the IRS is adamant about maintaining a monopoly syndicate.


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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 10:53:14 PM   
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Subfever, Phillip Dru was a work of fiction, if that really is where the conversation took place it nullifies the entire argument.

As for apfn, a "no plane at pentagon" site, well go back, read the thread on true terrorists responsible and see why I for one immediately think they are lacking much real credibilty


No, the alleged conversation with Wilson did not take place in the book. Yes, Phillip Dru is a work of fiction. The real author of the book was House.

The story was about a dictator, and the society he created. I think it's very interesting that much of his fictional storyline actually became reality here in the US. When I relate this to the fact that House was very influential in the creation and passage of the Federal Reserve Act, and Wilson signed off on it, I believe it's entirely possible that such a conversation took place.

But I hope this thread doesn't get sidetracked on the alleged conversation. I'd rather see a dialog about our monetary system.

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 10:56:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey RealOne... I see you got slapped again. What'd you do this time? ...

Dang... now we have to wait to read your contribution.

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 11:12:19 PM   
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---- hmmmm.   what is the solution?


Solution??? Whoa, slow down there, my friend... you're getting waaaaaaay ahead of me here. I can barely get people to even discuss the topic! ...

Let's build a few pages of dialog regarding the problem first, then we can discuss solutions.

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 11:19:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apologies Subfever, my reading of your original post inferred that the alleged conversation was referenced to in a work of fiction, something that I do not think adds anything to the credibility of the statement.

As a point of interest, tokens of valuata (e.g. gold) were introduced because barter did not work efficiently, those tokens of valuata then became promisory abstract notes because tokens based on a commodity were just still really just barter, open to abuse, and did not allow for any real economic growth, so what alternative do you suggest?


Edited to add......

It seems there could be much evidence that leads to a reasonable conclusion that House was both a liar and delusional, how does this affect his credibilty?

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-21058925.html


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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/1/2007 11:34:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem is simple, in fact its very simplicity is possibly part of the problem.

The problem is fear. Joe Public does not understand economics and the monetary system, and because he does not understand he fears, a perfectly normal trait of homo sapiens, and just about every other species on the planet. When confronted by a situation that creates fear most species exhibit one of two reactions, they either stop and assume a defensive position and hope the cause of the fear moves away, or they attack it, not always knowing what the cause of the fear is or how much damage the percived danger can cause when attacked.

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/2/2007 12:03:05 AM   
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Apologies Subfever, my reading of your original post inferred that the alleged conversation was referenced to in a work of fiction, something that I do not think adds anything to the credibility of the statement.


Actually, that's my fault. My statement was poorly expressed. I should have added the word "elsewhere" (inserted in red text below) to my comment in post #7 when I said:

"but I couldn't find anything to confirm <elsewhere> whether the dialog between House and Wilson did or didn't take place."
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It seems there could be much evidence that leads to a reasonable conclusion that House was both a liar and delusional, how does this affect his credibilty?

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-21058925.html


I have no doubt that House was a bit of a liar and delusional. Hard to believe he wasn't a politician himself. But they say he totally lacked charisma, and was too soft spoken. In his mind, maybe he did the next best thing by being a close and influential advisor to the President of the United States.

Nevertheless, here is a passage from your link that I found particularly interesting:

"Time and again in his diary House recorded events and related them to passages in Dru. Indeed, he was so pleased with apparent correlations that he later allowed his biographer to reveal his secret identity as Dru's author. His imaginary hero enacted tariff reduction, graduated income tax, and something akin to a federal reserve system, all of which became law under Wilson"

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/2/2007 12:58:54 AM   
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Now lets play the dating game......

1873, 1893, and 1907 Major bank panic attacks
1908, As a result of the Aldrich-Vreeland act Congress creates the National Monetary Commission to draft a plan for reform of the banking system
1911, The Aldrich (Repulican), Bill for a "National Reserve Association" is defeated by a democratic congress*
1911, House becomes friendly with Wilson and helps him win the Democratic nomination
1912, House becomes an adviser to Wilson in the whitehouse and publishes Dru
1913, Federal Reserve Act

It appears from this timeline that there is no way that House could have been in any way instrumental in the creation of the Federal Reserve, another case of one administration being blamed for the actions of another (PATRIOT being a more recent example)

So now we find a delusion liar praising his imaginary hero for coming up with a fiscal policy that had already been voted down in congress once prior the publication of Dru - logical assumption House being a political mover & shaker was aware of the Republican National Reserve concept and thought it good and made it one of Dru's policies

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/2/2007 1:50:58 AM   
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---- hmmmm.   what is the solution?


Immediately assisinate the Rothchilds, then dump the Federal Reserve / Central Bank system and opt for debt free sovereign paper currency issued by the sovereign in a fixed parity relationship with something of stable / tangible value {Gold}




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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/2/2007 9:27:34 AM   
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---- hmmmm.   what is the solution?


Immediately assisinate the Rothchilds, then dump the Federal Reserve / Central Bank system and opt for debt free sovereign paper currency issued by the sovereign in a fixed parity relationship with something of stable / tangible value {Gold}
- R



Excellent idea.  the currency is not backed by gold.   Globalization has run a muck- as have corporate contol of the legal system.

I suggest- the corporate charters, instead of living forever, be reviewed every year, and REVOKED, if human rights infractions occur-via said corp.

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RE: Birth of Economic Slavery - 3/2/2007 10:42:42 AM   
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Taxes ? Taxes can't even begin to pay the interest on the national debt. Then there are the ones who mistakenly think the national debt is money "the government owes to itself", so everything is OK. Not even is it not OK, because it deflates the currency, it is also a myth. Foreign corporations and governments, as well as international bankers hold our note. They could wreck our currency in a heartbeat, so could China, thus proving the old adage that "the pen is mightier than the sword".

Now, can someone come up with some ideas that might cause the DEATH of econimic slavery ? I think media is the key.

T


If people only knew how important these things are and what life woudl be like in a one world government they woudl revolt.

education, and fast! write your congressman etc


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