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Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 11:57:06 AM   
MistressDiane


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Status: offline 		I've had a lot of dogs in my life and done alot of training with them over the years. I can train them to do most anything and handle most behavioral problems I've ran across but I have a problem with my Border Collie though that I can't fix. He's sooooo jealous over me. He's 3 yrs. old, I've had him since he was about 7 weeks and he can't stand for anything, man or beast to be near me. The Ol' man kisses me or can even just touch me and he growls and fusses, if another one of the dogs or cats comes into the same room or I show a little attention to one them he tries to run them off. I've tried everything short of beating him (that..... I Won't do) but I sure could use some ideas here.
Any tips?

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 11:59:48 AM   
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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 12:13:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, he's (she's) a collie....has taken on the job of watching out for you, and will perform that job till the nth degree----

Have you any other jobs that can take that place?


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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 12:25:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear Diane,
 
What I have to say is going to sound soooooooooooo out there, but it is sincere.
 
When all the training techniques fail, I found a bit of mental imagery focused at the dog attached with the emotion of the situation and how you are feeling about it has an effect.
 
Visualize what she is doing and send how it makes you feel, then visualize how you want her to act in the situation and send how it should make you feel along with that.
 
Also, do you and Bounty play in front of her?  She may think you're getting hurt... just some thoughts

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 12:38:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have the same problem.  My boy is over 12 years old.  He'll growl and wedge himself in between me and whoever I'm with sometimes.  If I put him in the other room he carries on and on (he's very clingy). 

I'm not spoken for so it's no big deal; but it's like having a 2 yr old with me on a date.  Perhaps he's my insurance to celibacy; but also I know he doesn't have long on this earth so I'll treasure every moment I get with him.   I'm in no hurry to find a partner so it's not an issue right now. 

Good luck!  I haven't figured out this one myself.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 12:48:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to take him out and shoot his ass smiles,NO ol zeak is a pretty good dog like she says jealous as hell.I usually choke and growel to excert dominence over them and it works.WE have a protection dawg  that will eat your ass up and hes not growly and hes better then two shotguns smile. only family can come in the house without us there.....she has spoile the hell out of zeak , if she would make a sharp turn she would break his face off..HE loves his momma and his momma loves him so its all good..bounty

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 1:46:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		We tried that....now Zeke pisses on the O'l man's puter chair every chance he gets. Whadda do???

edited to add....that was for Troll

< Message edited by MistressDiane -- 2/26/2007 1:47:47 PM >

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 1:51:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, he's (she's) a collie....has taken on the job of watching out for you, and will perform that job till the nth degree----

Have you any other jobs that can take that place?


Ron

He's on the go all the time, they are highly energetic, and I've thought about getting a sheep or 2 or maybe a couple of geese. He'd be great at the agility trials so I may set up a course for him to run.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 1:58:05 PM   
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Dear Diane,
 
What I have to say is going to sound soooooooooooo out there, but it is sincere.
 
When all the training techniques fail, I found a bit of mental imagery focused at the dog attached with the emotion of the situation and how you are feeling about it has an effect.
 
Visualize what she is doing and send how it makes you feel, then visualize how you want her to act in the situation and send how it should make you feel along with that.
 
Also, do you and Bounty play in front of her?  She may think you're getting hurt... just some thoughts


I'll give that a shot, it's not as out there as you think. Years ago when I had Big Black Dawg in persoanl protection training the trainer had me try and send vibes to him so when she aggressed the dog would pick up on my feelings of anxiety and fear and no, anytime we have had anyone over I don't expose the animals. I've always felt weird about that.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 2:00:14 PM   
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this way, when he comes to growl and guard, you can remind him that he is not attending to his job watching and husbanding the critters.

My grandparents had a dog Ring (collie) that retired from sheep farming, the dog would be told get the horses, he was gentle, the dog would get the cows for milking, again gentle but not taking any shit, sheep or pigs.......they did what he said.

At retirement, the dog had nothing to do, so unfortunately it decided it's job would be to keep the tire swing in the front yard free of unmentionable human debris----

This led to some issues. There was a groundswell of grandchildren about the place, and they needed pig and sheep style watching as far as that dog was concerned, without direction to the contrary. 

The dog died at 26 actual years old, when I was 24, my great uncle, then an old man of around 87 did not see the dog laying in the shade under the car, and by that time Ring was deaf and arthritic, and didnt get out of the way, of course my grandparents et al were horridly heartbroken.

But that is what collies are good at, their job, and if you dont give them one, they will assume their own responsibilites.....they need it to be whole in the world.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 2:05:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		this one doesn't like cows and just tolrates horses,he did as a young brave pup take on a beligum stud the he thought was going to hurt her.Maybe some geese in a pen or a few sheep will give him something to do..bounty

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 2:33:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhh that's so sad Ron.
I used to let him go with me when I tended the horses but anytime one of them got close to me he'd nip their nose so since herding isn't a big issue around here I just quit taking him rather than working more with him on it. Yeah I know I took the easy way out. He would stay put real good when I told him except for when I wasn't looking then he'd get in the paddock with them and I was afraid he would end up getting hurt.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 2:34:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure you are doing this... but Border Collies ( One of my favorite breeds) can be a little neurotic especially if they are not being run almost literally to death.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 2:45:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		He's had this thing going on for a long time ever since he was real young. Like Bounty said, he got trampled once when he was little so since then I've been leary about him being in that position again. He got lucky that day and wasn't hurt badly but working for a Vet I've seen what *can* happen to them when a horse catches up to them and I wouldn't want to see that happen.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 3:09:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The thing that you're not doing is addressing the problem. If you had a kid who got in the way or sat there and threatened (which is what growling is, it's threatening!) your man, would you sit there and take it?

Although I love making analogies, we have to turn from human-to-human analogies and now focus on the dog. A dog is not a furry person. You can not talk to a dog like you can a child and figure out what is going on- you have to tell that dog that threatening is innapropriate in the way a dog would understand. Standing there and letting your Collie growl is telling him that you're allowing that behavior.

I say find something he doesn't like- a squirt of water with a squirt bottle in the face, a snap of a finger or a displeasing, loud noise (not you going, "NO SPOT, NO!", but something like a smack of your hands), or in worst case scenarios, you might have to teach your dog to submit to your man.

A lot of people are against this idea of 'alpha rolling', as it is called, because they believe their dog is being thrown around like a ragdoll. On the contrary, one can gently alpha roll and it has the same effect as a dog showing another dog his 'belly'. However, due to the controversy over this method, start with the aforementioned suggestions to see if they work with your dogs jealousy, because that tells him that it is not ok!

One last thing- dogs sniff other doggy butts to gain information. I'm not suggesting anyone get down and go butt sniffin', but I do suggest you hold your dog firmly away from your man, and allow him to gently touch his back (not his ass) and thighs to simulate this sniffing. This is another 'controlled submission' method that may work before having to do any alpha rolling. Then, in turn, have your man sit facing away from the dog and have your dog sniff at him (avoid the butt if you must :P) and see how that works. Facing a dog and holding out your hand can still create dominant signals, especially if your man is staring at the dog. Facing away simulates this idea of calm submission and allows your dog to get to know him a little better.

Keep me posted! I love dog behavior!

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 3:24:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh he gets scolded for his behavior.  Everything from verbal scolding to smacking his nose to sending him to another room . He knows I don't approve of it. I've done something similiar to what you're talking about by making him lie down and be submissive.  I've tried Ceasar's tricks and anything else I can think of. I do spoil my animals rotten and they know I love them dearly but they also know I don't take any crap and for the most part they are very well behaved. I've never had one so persistant in his behavior.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 3:28:49 PM   
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of calm submission and allows your dog to get to know him a little better.

Keep me posted! I love dog behavior!


The Ol' man and I were already living together when we got Zeke 3 years ago so it's not like my husband is a new addition to the family *smile*
and like I said the problem is not just with him. It's with any living creature man or beast.

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 3:37:48 PM   
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quote:

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of calm submission and allows your dog to get to know him a little better.

Keep me posted! I love dog behavior!


The Ol' man and I were already living together when we got Zeke 3 years ago so it's not like my husband is a new addition to the family *smile*
and like I said the problem is not just with him. It's with any living creature man or beast.


It doesn't matter if you were living together when you got Zeke, it can still happen! Still, it's an important 'mechanism' in doggy behavior, even if he's not new. Try it out more than once.

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Oh he gets scolded for his behavior.  Everything from verbal scolding to smacking his nose to sending him to another room . ... I've never had one so persistant in his behavior.


Good to know he gets scolded- now change tactics in how you scold him! It seems that the message isn't getting through to him. Seriously try the squirt of water in the face immediately when he growls because sometimes a smack to the nose doesn't help, and taking him to another room may just be making him avoid the situation instead of come to terms with it. If you say you've alpha rolled him, does that mean your husband has done the same? If it's just you, then that's submission to you. If it's your husband, strap a muzzle on him for safety and let him do it on a carpeted area (to minimize risk of injury if he's a flailer). You may have to do this over and over and over, because in reality it may take a loooonnnng while to stop the behavior, but it seems as if you want it stopped.

Some other things you can do is have your husband be the one that feeds Zeke. It's vet recommended (I'm a tech, for now :P) that animals get two meals twice a day for their weight. So with that in mind, you can have your husband mix the food up with his hands to put his 'scent' into the food and have Zeke do something for him, like sit and remain calm, before he'll put the food down. This means that your husband = the food provider. Also, your husband should also be right beside you in the 'scolding' to show that he is dominant to Zeke. If you hit him with a stream of water, your husband must also partake in the same action.

If he's persistent, you must be even more so than he is! It'll take work, but if you really want the behavior to go away, you gotta go for it. :)

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 3:56:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Diana and Bounty Hunter,
 
I have had my share of jealous pets, canine and feline, over the years.
Three thoughts come to mind; #1 get some help from a professional
trainer that zeak does not know #2 get a few sheep like you were
thinking to keep him occupied, Ron had a good view on this,
#3 Don't do more of the pissing!  lol  Male canines and felines are
famous for getting jealous and pissing to mark territory.
 
(One of my brothers took the family dog into a walk-in vaccination
  clinic at the local mall.  Did I mention that this was a very large,
  80 - 90 pound dog?  Well, doggie became anxious and pissed all
  the way down my brother's leg, in public no less!)
 
 

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RE: Doggie woes...... - 2/26/2007 4:14:21 PM   
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#3 Don't do more of the pissing!  lol  Male canines and felines are
famous for getting jealous and pissing to mark territory.
 
(One of my brothers took the family dog into a walk-in vaccination
  clinic at the local mall.  Did I mention that this was a very large,
  80 - 90 pound dog?  Well, doggie became anxious and pissed all
  the way down my brother's leg, in public no less!)
 
 


I was just kidding about this one, lol

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