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LotusSong -> RE: respect vs. tolerance (2/26/2007 12:39:38 PM)

I tolerate that which I do not like but have no control over.
 
I respect things or people that I admire.




porthuronsub -> RE: respect vs. tolerance (2/26/2007 1:14:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hereyesruponyou

I have to disagree somewhat in that to me if i am tolerating someone else's beliefs then i am saying i feel they are wrong. This then assumes that my beliefs are superior to theirs. However when i say I respect their beliefs it means that even though i don't understand how they feel or agree i am acknowledging that their beliefs are equal to mine and mean as much to them as mine do to me.....


I think this is the way he meant it to be interpreted.  This is the way I took it.




MadRabbit -> RE: respect vs. tolerance (2/26/2007 3:46:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hereyesruponyou

I have to disagree somewhat in that to me if i am tolerating someone else's beliefs then i am saying i feel they are wrong. This then assumes that my beliefs are superior to theirs. However when i say I respect their beliefs it means that even though i don't understand how they feel or agree i am acknowledging that their beliefs are equal to mine and mean as much to them as mine do to me.....


Ok...cool...

Thats your outlook on it. I dont necessarily agree totally on it. I think Noah has a better perspective on tolerance than all of us.

But the idea that everyone can respect everyone else's beliefs is nieve at best, because at some point someone's beliefs are going to contradict our own or at least disturb us on an ethical and moral level.

Then at that point if we dont stand up for our beliefs then how do we really have beliefs? They would be hollow.

How many people here are willing to respect the Nazi's Anti Semite beliefs or the Ku Klux Klans beliefs of racial hatred?

The notion that we should all respect everyone's elses beliefs and view them as equal to our is, in my opinion, a poorly thought out and unrealisitc "save the world" concept. It seems like its solid at first glance, but once you start to break down the logic, its just silly "feal good" hippy shit.

Its like making the statement "The world would be a lot better of a place if we just all got along and were nice to each other." Seems really profound and simple at first, but human beings simply arent wired like that.




hereyesruponyou -> RE: respect vs. tolerance (2/26/2007 3:56:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

But the idea that everyone can respect everyone else's beliefs is nieve at best, because at some point someone's beliefs are going to contradict our own or at least disturb us on an ethical and moral level.

Its like making the statement "The world would be a lot better of a place if we just all got along and were nice to each other." Seems really profound and simple at first, but human beings simply arent wired like that.



I agree to disagree. Not a hippy type or even probably seen as all that tolerant, but i do beleive there is a huge difference between having a belief and acting upon it and/or forcing it on others. I know racism exists and i don't claim to understand it, but i can see how some people come to have those beliefs and if they keep it to themselves i just don't care. I don't want people i agree with shoving my opinions down my throat either.

I know humans wll never just be nice to each other, but we can still dream......




MadRabbit -> RE: respect vs. tolerance (2/26/2007 4:25:21 PM)

*nods* Fair enough




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