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Thoughts - 2/20/2007 10:16:44 PM

juliaoceania

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What do you believe thoughts are?

Do they have substance?

Are they things?

Do they have power?

If they have power, where does it come from and what shape does it take?

What are your thoughts about your thoughts?

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RE: Thoughts - 2/20/2007 10:35:46 PM

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Ok, I thought i was done will my philosophy class tonight.

We creat thought patterns, be them negaticve or positive. Our patterns are created by the environment we grew-up in or our natural characteristics.

Cognative councilors beleive that when we see our unhealthy thought patterns, we can work on them and create a more possitive outlook. I believe it is important to look at "self-talk" and how one uses this to create the world around them.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/20/2007 10:40:43 PM

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So do you think thoughts are tangible things?

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RE: Thoughts - 2/20/2007 10:59:38 PM

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I've spent all night doing my Stats homework, opened this thread and my brain exploded.

I'll get back to ya on this one lol.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 2:13:11 AM

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Just some thoughts on well...thoughts!

Thoughts are the substance of things that could be, may be desired, and the beginning of things to come. They are in their *source* a combination of our past experiences (connections between events, people and places), our unique spin on it as flavored by our emotions and meaning we have given all that has come before. We use them to form a "reality" where we blend all the elements together into a "critical mass" so that something new and fresh may come forth, and they instinctively seek to find ways to show up in our personal and physical reality.

The power of thoughts well communicated to others can literally change the world: start wars, make critical pinpoint changes in major events, and allow us to reposition ourselves in life and relationships to the better...if we choose to move in that direction. As a mile begins with a single step, so do major changes begin with a single thought. I do not seek to hold a thought as if a physical thing, which is more limited, but a spirit bird to hold and let free when it is ready to fly. I try to remember this wonderful time proven proverb:

"Be careful of your thoughts, for your thoughts inspire your words. Be careful of your words, for your words precede your actions. Be careful of your actions, for your actions become your habits. Be careful of your habits, for your habits build your character. Be careful of your character, for your character decides your destiny." - Chinese proverb

And, when I loose my chain of thought, I become bound by that which has been forgotten, and for a man/woman who cannot distinish himself from his thoughts cannot move beyond them, as he has lost the ability to release them and to move past them.
--my own quote I thought I would throw in.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 3:11:16 AM

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Our thoughts are the filter through which we experience the world and how we define our reality.
To change your reality, you must begin by changing your thinking.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 3:31:37 AM

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Im not paid to think

and when I do and write it here, my post gets moved to polls and random stupidity.
censoring it, just like i predicted they would

now aint that a daisy?

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edit: profile deactivated. bye everybody, for now. I know several here will be thrilled.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 5:54:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

What do you believe thoughts are?
I believe that thourghts are a means by which we try to understand and interprit the world around us, the people around us and the events that happen within are world. It give us the ability not just to see something but ask and speculate answers as to why it's there, how came to be there and what can be done with it for are benifit. Often these thourght are base on previous experiences and opinions, this can be seen by the different often opposing thourghts that are dirrived from the same situation.

Do they have substance?
Thourghts or the prosesses of thinking are measurable and can be seen with in brain scans. You could also argue that the substance can be seen through the many different view and opinions.

Are they things?
Science say electrical activity within the brain, they are real as in they can change the way a person reacts to a given situation and also effect a person emotional state. But reverse could be said to be true the emotional and physical state could change the way we think.

Do they have power?
Thourght have large amount of power if the ideas are followed upon leading to ideas. Reasoning and ideas are at the for front of technology and the sciences. Good ideas are some of the most powerful human traits.

If they have power, where does it come from and what shape does it take?
Thourght gives us the ability to create hyperthetical answers/situations or judgement calls that allow us to protect are selfs, capitivate other peoples imaginations, change the way we see the people and world around us and ask the very questions we are asking here.

What are your thoughts about your thoughts?
Thourght is apart of every one, ever day from thinking about were to put that picture to why the universe it exists. It's the primary basis from human and person progression. The ideas generated from our thourghts are primary to science, medicians, religion, phylosophy, sicology and the other fields that end in ology or end in amy. With out thourght books, art, all the things above and many aspects of are daily life would probably not exist.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 7:27:17 AM

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What do you believe thoughts are?
Thoughts to me are my private discussions with myself. Noone can possibly know my thoughts and they are the only thing i have that i do not have to share with anyone else.
Do they have substance?
Ok i had to go to the dictionary for this as i wasnt sure what kind of substance you were looking for. The first meaning 'physical composition of something', it has no atomic mass so no. Second meaning, 'solid, liquid, powder or paste' no. Third meaning 'the essential meaning of something' for me yes i need thought to mentally exist. Fourth meaning 'solid or meaningful quality' again mentally yes. Fifth meaning 'wealth' and again yes mentally it has value.
Are they things?
Again to the dictionary - first meaning 'material object' no i dont believe so. Second meaning 'object, fact or idea considered as a seperate entity' no again as my thoughts are part of me, not seperate from me.
Do they have power?
Yes my thoughts have power. They have the power to determine how i will act in certain situations, they can change my way of thinking, opinions etc.
What are your thoughts about your thoughts?
Thoughts are my own little private world where noone but me can influence the outcome of them. Sometimes they are rational, sometimes they are not depending on what mood im in, how much ive drunk, how tired i am and what my understanding of what im thinking about is.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 7:57:04 AM

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I'm thinking its a good job MsT shaved her armspits.
I am also thinking I wish I could stop thinking when I am asleep.

If you spend a lot of time alone as I do it seems to me that a doppelganger emerges and you comminicate and debate with yourself.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 8:04:31 AM

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Wow, what an interesting thread!

I am not sure if thoughts are tangible things. In terms of being able to be measured, I think the electrical impulses in the brain that result from them can sometimes be measured, but I am still not sure how tangible that makes them. I think they are made a lot more tangible by any action that results from them (of course I realize this isn't the same thing).

I believe people very much mostly have independent thoughts, but have also read that things like strong intuitive hunches, etc. are the result of God or a guardian angel trying to communicate with that person (I can hear the skeptics laughing at this right now as I write this, too, so please, go easy on me). I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility, and find it rather an intriguing idea.

As far as where things like inspiration can come from, I do happen to think they can come from "other realms" (God, angels, or whatever you'd label a "divine source", etc). But of course I cannot prove this at all.

But I think thoughts also come from people here influencing eachother, in fact mostly this is where they come from, maybe - through reading what other people write or listening to what they say.

I think thoughts are incredibly powerful things - I think all good or bad, or nuetral actions first result from thoughts, whether they are mundane or turn out to be much more consequential.

- Susan

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 8:17:17 AM

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I'm thinking its a good job MsT shaved her armspits.
Lol - just for you of course.

I am also thinking I wish I could stop thinking when I am asleep
Sweet dreams of me again lol?

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 8:39:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

What do you believe thoughts are?

Do they have substance?

Are they things?

Do they have power?

If they have power, where does it come from and what shape does it take?

What are your thoughts about your thoughts?

Thoughts are electrical charges in the brain.
Thoughts per se don't have "power."
It's the action that they inspire that has "power."
For instance you could sit at the kitchen table drinking coffee for four hours looking at a broom and thinking about sweeping the floor.
But, until you get up off your ass and actually sweep the floor physically it won't get done by thinking about it.
So, thoughts translated into action equals power.
Thoughts aren't "things" in the sense that they're tangable but they "exist" so I guess you could say that they are "things" in that sense.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 10:35:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation
seeks said:
I am also thinking I wish I could stop thinking when I am asleep
Sweet dreams of me again lol?

Wouldn't that take us back to the nightmare thread ?
I'm sure someone sat on my face last night.
Was it you ?
Was it a dream ?
Was it a thought ?

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 10:42:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

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seeks said:
I am also thinking I wish I could stop thinking when I am asleep
Sweet dreams of me again lol?

Wouldn't that take us back to the nightmare thread ?
I'm sure someone sat on my face last night.
Was it you ?
Was it a dream ?
Was it a thought ?

Seeks, LOLOL!

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 11:12:47 AM

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I think perhaps a reading of Terry Pratchett's "Thief of Time" and "Night Watch" might be instructive.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 12:00:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation
seeks said:
I am also thinking I wish I could stop thinking when I am asleep
Sweet dreams of me again lol?

Wouldn't that take us back to the nightmare thread ?
I'm sure someone sat on my face last night.
Was it you ?
Was it a dream ?
Was it a thought ?

Well if it was me its the last fucking time - nightmare indeed lol

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 12:30:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

What do you believe thoughts are?

A glimpse of possibilities that can often move someone to an action or an inaction.

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Do they have substance?

Depends on the thought.

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Are they things?

More like ideas of things.

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Do they have power?

Without a doubt.

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If they have power, where does it come from and what shape does it take?

The power comes from the weight you give the thought.. the shape takes it form dependent on whether or not you act on the thought.

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What are your thoughts about your thoughts?

I appreciate my ability to have them, to analyze them, to discard those which will not enhance me in some way and to embrace and then act on the ones which will be of benefit. I also appreciate the fact that I am not boxed in by my thoughts, but rather that free form thinking allows me to see so many possibilities and to appreciate life outside my own thought process.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 4:00:19 PM

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How about genuine creative or original thoughts. Where do they come from.? Maybe there's no such thing and we just rehash what we have picked up as we travel along the highway of life. Most of us do I'm sure.

I think original thoughts do exist but are very very rare.

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RE: Thoughts - 2/21/2007 4:36:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

How about genuine creative or original thoughts. Where do they come from.? Maybe there's no such thing and we just rehash what we have picked up as we travel along the highway of life. Most of us do I'm sure.

I think original thoughts do exist but are very very rare.

Seeks, what would be an example of an origional thought?

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