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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/20/2007 8:36:15 PM   
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I know of at least one case that makes me say yes. It may be more rare than in the het community but one of my close middle-aged leathermen friends who began as a boy at age 20 (back in the 70s) tells the story of how his Daddy told him to have sex with a woman on several occassions and enjoyed knowing that his truly gay boy was doing something against his nature for the pleasure of his Sir. So there you go, forced bi.


Now, the boy would have had to get turned on enough to do the deed, thus making him Bisexual.. Or- I could see a situation where a female would use a strap-on on him?
 
(these are just rhetorical thoughts )

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/20/2007 8:50:56 PM   
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I had a friend that considered himself gay, long term over 15 years with the same man. He married the girl he dated in high school... his whole family Christian fundies in Texas. He could not live the lie anymore and divorced her. He told me that while he could have sex with a woman, he was not attracted to them that way.

And Brokeback Mountain... were they gay or bi to your mind?

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/20/2007 8:54:57 PM   
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Now, the boy would have had to get turned on enough to do the deed, thus making him Bisexual.. Or- I could see a situation where a female would use a strap-on on him?
 
(these are just rhetorical thoughts )


If I go strictly on what he told me and take it as truth, he was not turned on by the woman herself but because his Daddy told him he's better get hard and fuck that girl, or else. I do believe that the submission of a man can be powerful enough to make his body do what his mind tells him he has to do even if his heart is not in it. Make sense?

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/20/2007 9:23:55 PM   
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Our problem with this question might be that we don't have a very large gay male participation rate on the boards...the one I do know isn't a Dom. I wish more would come; I'd like the varied viewpoint.

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I too would wish for a more panseuxal forum, that is after all the only point of critique i have here.

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/20/2007 9:26:32 PM   
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With all the threads in bisexuality play.. it stems from one Het to his /her submissive. It got me wondering if the Gay population play with forced bi-sexuality. I'd like to hear their take on it all.

Is it a rush for a Gay Dom to have his male submissive serve a female sexually? If not, why not?


Lotus Song,

are you interested in the position of a lesbian dominant? If yes, i could ask my friend (who is currently in Las Vegas with her wife) and report back.

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 1:14:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard of it, i know a couple gay subs who have done it (going down on the female) but i think it is pretty rare. I think nearly all of "forced bisexuality" comes from guys growing up and being programmed that anything sexual wiht another guy is really bad and by doing it, it makes them feel more sub. So it wouldn't really apply as much to gay subs going the other way

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 2:00:40 AM   
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Now, the boy would have had to get turned on enough to do the deed, thus making him Bisexual..


i don't know about this, as physical manipulation of the penis, whether oral or manual tends to create an involuntary physiological reaction in most physically healthy males

also, this sort of stimulation could be done by his male Dominant, or himself with a cockring used to hold him at necessary attention; if these methods fail there are always chemical stimulants which can be employed.

this goes back to the old argument that a man cannot be raped by a woman via vaginal penetration because he has to be physically turned on in order to act, and thus he wanted it... i know from personal experience that this is not the case, as a dominant that i had casual non-sexual relations with had tied me up and used me sexually against my will and against my stated limits; this kept me from the scene for several years... i am straight and she was physically attractive and able though manual, oral, and visual stimulation able to bring me to erection no matter how terrified, angry, and downright terrible i felt; while i was able to physically achieve erection and orgasm, it was far from a pleasant experience for me and shattered my ability to trust others for some time

in conclusion, i don't see how being able to physically respond enough to have vaginal penetration would make someone bisexual, just as being able to get aroused and achieve orgasm with a man does not make a man bisexual or gay... the ability to choose and enjoy such an act on every level is what matters in that distinction... physical responsiveness can not be the defining factor, as there are many documented cases of women feeling incredsidibly guild ridden due to physically achieving orgasm during the act of rape

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 7:00:55 AM   
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You know gay men get married and have children before they come out of the closet

I had a friend that considered himself gay, long term over 15 years with the same man. He married the girl he dated in high school... his whole family Christian fundies in Texas. He could not live the lie anymore and divorced her. He told me that while he could have sex with a woman, he was not attracted to them that way.

And Brokeback Mountain... were they gay or bi to your mind?


Yes, julia.. I'm well aware of what you have stated.  My oldest brother  is gay and got married and it lasted for 3 months.  It basically was a marriage of convenience to get a female friend to the states from Thailand who befriended him over there.
 
A cute aside to his story.. his wife confided in me one day that when he told her he was gay, she looked up the word in her dictionary. She was befuddled.."I look up word and it say happy. He say he is Gay.. but he not happy man".
 
Again, julia, this whole thread is to ask if the male gay M/s,D/s practice forced alternative sexuality.
 
Normally I don't do movie reviews..but what a good thread for you to start if you would like it discussed.
 
 

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 7:03:19 AM   
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Now, the boy would have had to get turned on enough to do the deed, thus making him Bisexual.. Or- I could see a situation where a female would use a strap-on on him?
 
(these are just rhetorical thoughts )


If I go strictly on what he told me and take it as truth, he was not turned on by the woman herself but because his Daddy told him he's better get hard and fuck that girl, or else. I do believe that the submission of a man can be powerful enough to make his body do what his mind tells him he has to do even if his heart is not in it. Make sense?


Yup.. makes sense :)    Thank you.

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 7:07:14 AM   
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Our problem with this question might be that we don't have a very large gay male participation rate on the boards...the one I do know isn't a Dom. I wish more would come; I'd like the varied viewpoint.

Master Fire



I too would wish for a more panseuxal forum, that is after all the only point of critique i have here.


This is also why I posted this question strictly for the Gay males.  We just don't hear from them enough :)

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 8:13:34 AM   
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If is is a heinous practice to try to change a gay male's orientation..why  do we expect women to be able to  embrace lesbianism if they are heterosexual to begin with?  Is this basically a lack of respect and consideration?


Porn. Lipstick lesbianism is all the rage in het porn. When Straight Male Doms get their sexual fantasies fulfilled, it's very likely (but not always the case) that they will want this...'cause they've been taught and conditioned to think it's hot. Not necessarily a bad thing...just a reason.

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 8:51:07 AM   
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With all the threads in bisexuality play.. it stems from one Het to his /her submissive.  It got me wondering if the Gay population play with forced bi-sexuality.  I'd like to hear their take on it all. 
 
Is it a rush for a Gay Dom to have his male submissive serve a female sexually?  If not, why not?


From a Lesbian's POV; I would not want to be involved with a Domina who got off on forcing me to have sex with men.
Hell No!!!!
Extreme Hard Limit!!!
 
Not that I don't like a lot of you guys as friends, some are very close friends, I would never fuck ya.
 
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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 8:55:45 AM   
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With all the threads in bisexuality play.. it stems from one Het to his /her submissive.  It got me wondering if the Gay population play with forced bi-sexuality.  I'd like to hear their take on it all. 
 
Is it a rush for a Gay Dom to have his male submissive serve a female sexually?  If not, why not?


Gay people have had hetro role play forced on them in the form of marriage for a long long time.


Rah! Rah! Julia!
Thanks for saying that.
 
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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 9:04:47 AM   
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Sorry, didn't read the whole thread before giving my opinion.
So I didn't realize your strict guidelines of wanting the thread to concern
only Gay males.
 
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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 10:10:51 AM   
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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 10:15:06 AM   
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Sorry, didn't read the whole thread before giving my opinion.
So I didn't realize your strict guidelines of wanting the thread to concern
only Gay males.
 
Missy.


No problem.  I'm just trying to keep it on track :)  I'll start a thread just for lesbians on this topic for you.
 
What I'm getting so far is that the gay male (and it sounds like) the lesbian populous don't get the big change out of forcing your gay or lesbian submissives into het play.

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RE: Forced Bisexuality from the Gay side - 2/21/2007 1:45:36 PM   
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And Brokeback Mountain... were they gay or bi to your mind?



The character that Jake Gyllenhall played was gay, who married a woman he did not love as a beard while he pined away for 20 years in love with Heath Ledger's character.  He made the comment at the end of the movie that he and Heath Ledger's character could have had a good life.

The character that Heath Ledger played considered himself heterosexual and fell in love with another man.  He
spent his whole life fighting his love and lusts.  He probably would refuse to consider himself bisexual or gay, even while he was making love to his boyfriend.  He made the comment at the end of the movie that he (and society) could never accept life as a gay man, no matter how much he wanted to.

Clear as mud?

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