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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 3:57:14 PM   
MasterAdamn


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Status: offline 		Shakespeare has a great play that confronts this topic from the perspective of two stubborn, strong willed, independent characters (a man and a woman, of course) who learn to love one another after a lot of trials and tribulations. The famous line, a question actually, uttered near the end of the play by Petruchio (I think, sorry if I bastardized the spelling) pointing up at the sun in the middle of the day and turning to Kate and asking, "Is that not the moon I see overhead?" (or something akin to that)....to which she replies after some musing and a smirk on her face, "why yes, husband, you are right....it is the moon." The play is "Taming of the Shrew", a comedy with a lesson. Reality you make, you accept, you alter, you nurture, grow, and embrace every day. Universal truths? There is life and death. Matter is not responsible for it's own existence. For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Matter and energy do not cease to exist even when dissipated or altering forms. Everything else in between is perspective. But in the end, is this a relevant discussion? You have relationships, family, material possessions, commitments, responsibilities, breath, life, thought, feelings, sensations, and a physical structure/mass. What matters to you from these things is your reality.

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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 4:00:08 PM   
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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 4:02:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		   Reality is what you think it is, at least to you.  To the person who believes something, it is true.

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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 4:05:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not true! Physics i am convinced are learned too, some albeit very few people have gone far beyond the normal realms of physics to perform super human feats (too many to mention) they have defied logic and universal 'reality' which is why i always maintain that there are two realities, one is learned (from our peers and family and society) and one inside our own minds, ofcourse dont quote me on that i dont want anyone jumping out of a 10 story building to prove me wrong!    

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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 4:07:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well that was as clear as mud....we need to get to the bottom of this gosh darnit! You cant just sum up reality by saying 'My Master said its not my job to accept his reality unless told to do so!'

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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 5:05:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bludemonn

Not true! Physics i am convinced are learned too, some albeit very few people have gone far beyond the normal realms of physics to perform super human feats (too many to mention) they have defied logic and universal 'reality' which is why i always maintain that there are two realities, one is learned (from our peers and family and society) and one inside our own minds, ofcourse dont quote me on that i dont want anyone jumping out of a 10 story building to prove me wrong!    


i had a thought that personal reality is a result of both nature and nurture elements.  And i'm also thinking there is a distinction between personal reality (which is our own reality and is quite individual and subjective)....and universal reality.....which is a more widely accepted reality based on actual fact, and is more objective than personal reality. 
 
Again, i am just musing here and haven't even gotten to the M/s stuff yet 
 
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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 5:17:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep already said that a few posts ago ^^^, but atleast its good to know someone else uses the logical approach, but i spose a question like 'what is reality' will always be subject to what your definition of it is. 

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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 6:10:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Now please do not say I never gave you anything... enjoy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8655881191636417153&q=What+The+Bleep


julia

I do thank you for posting this. I have been meaning to see this video as long as I didn't put one red cent in the pockets of the makers. After now having had a chance to watchit I can truly say as far as What the Bleep Do We Know, far bleeping more than anything made by these bleeping bleeptards.

Since someone already invoked the bard in talking about the nature of reality. He has a quote that quite sums up this moive: "It is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing." For anyone who wants to find out some deeper philosophical and scientific thoughts of the world I highly recommend:

http://meaningoflife.tv/
http://beyondbelief2006.org/

If you want to watch an intellectual trainwreck go see What the Bleep Do We Know?

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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 6:13:06 PM   
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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 6:15:12 PM   
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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 6:34:06 PM   
szobras


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Status: offline 		Some things are "real", if we believe them or not.
To "realize", means to make some thing real.
Two simple things that I accept.

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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 7:45:55 PM   
Shadowrun


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Status: offline 		RiotGirl,

I wanted to answer your question in more detail. Initiually it seemed more philosophical as to what is the nature of reality. Your subsequent post has more reduced it to the nature of belief. How do I know what is true? And maybe in the context of your realtionship even more specifically: How do I know what my Master tells me is real? Especially when what you think is real conflicts with your reality.

The evolutionary biologist, Richard Dawkins, had a wonderful letter he wrote to his 10 year old daughter on reasons for believing. Basically there are 3 bad reasons:

Tradition - Well that is the way the Old Guard did it.
Authority - Because I am the Master and I say so.
Revelation - God told me. or I took some really great drugs and my spirit guide Binky told me.

(and no these examples are not in the letter)

The only good reason to believe is evidence. So really what you have to ask when considering your thoughts about reality  is what is the evidence?

Now I don't know what the nature of your disagreement about reality is. I would say there is one item I will take on faith and that is the universe is consistant to itself and on that basis we in principle can know an objective reality even if we may never be smart enough to figure it out on our own.

Are there also things such as subjective reality? Sure, think about how we feel pain. You could deliver identical cane blows to two different people and they would react differently. Or an identical  cane blow at two different times to the same person and have him or her react differently  due to mood or hormones.

So from this where can you go. You have set your Master as an Authority, didn't we just say authorities are bad. Well not necesarily is he an authority because he has built respect in the scene. Given you information you have learned by past experience to be be true. Received examples of general concern for your well being, then maybe it is reasonable to listen to other things he says, but always follow the evidence.

A small alarm bell also goes off in my head (just a small one--no real evidence that this is your concern but I would mention it) Are you perhaps worried that you are being manipulated. If so I have found this to be a very cool site:

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/manipulator/manip.shtml

Also if you want to read the entire text of the letter I mentioned you can find it here:

http://www.mysteryinvestigators.com/richard/dawkins.htm


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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 10:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, love the post.  Couldn't agree more with the content.  Except for one little thing, I'm gonna be picky here.  But it still backs up your post, inadvertantly.  Gotta love it when that happens.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterAdamn

Shakespeare has a great play that confronts this topic from the perspective of two stubborn, strong willed, independent characters (a man and a woman, of course) who learn to love one another after a lot of trials and tribulations. The famous line, a question actually, uttered near the end of the play by Petruchio (I think, sorry if I bastardized the spelling) pointing up at the sun in the middle of the day and turning to Kate and asking, "Is that not the moon I see overhead?" (or something akin to that)....to which she replies after some musing and a smirk on her face, "why yes, husband, you are right....it is the moon."


You are adding, all that is there in Shakespeare's play is the dialogue.  Each director, actor, etc. who puts on this play has a different intepretaion of that particular scene.  Some play it as you describe.  One reality.  ;-)  Others have her exhausted from all she's gone through to that point, and she'll agree with anything just to get him to put her through more and so that she will get to go home.  Another reality.  ;-)  BTW, you spelled Petruchio correctly.    Take care.  I love people talking about Shakespeare.  Warms my heart. 
 
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RE: Reality - 2/13/2007 11:11:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I'm not going to get into this in detail, but I can give you a few good source books if you "really" want to get into these questions on a philosophical level.

I tend to lean towards the pragmatist perspective of reality, with William James as the guide and a heavy dash of Hilary Putnam.


Damnit. Philosophy major...I was really expecting a more in depth reply here.

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RE: Reality - 2/14/2007 8:42:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		bludemonn, I think we will agree to disagree on physics. Yes, everyone has heard of extraordinary events, and they are usually so poorly documented that there is no way to truly discern what actually happened.

If the Few, the Special, the Metahumans are out there, how come all their amazing feats are always in some backwater, or otherwise in a place with few witnesses. Why doesn't someone show that they can bend the laws of physics in the middle of central park, with tv cameras filming, so the world can see proof positive. I never happens that way though......

Namaste, Sir Dominic

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RE: Reality - 2/14/2007 11:39:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think reality is a combination of things - yes it's what i make it, but not completely, as i live in a world with billions of others all trying to make reality what they want. So i believe to some degree reality is very individual and personal, but it's not ALL of reality. For reality to be completely what i make it i would have to be invulnerable to anyone or anything other than the thoughts in my own mind. i'm not and so i don't create all of my own reality.
 
This concept is similar to one in certain religious beliefs that claim what we are experiencing and seeing is actually just our own perception. i think that's true and not true simultaneously. For example a woman gets raped (unconsentually). Is her experience just in her perception? Is it something she created because that's what she wanted in her reality? And what of the reality of the rapist?
 
So i think reality is a blend of what one perceives individually combined with the mass beliefs of humankind in general.

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RE: Reality - 2/14/2007 9:59:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		This link i recently discovered came to mind as pertaining somwhat at least to your question about what reality is.  http://www.the-secret-dvd.net/?gclid=CNGs2rnYr4oCFQFUgQodoTQnkQ

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RE: Reality - 2/14/2007 10:38:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think we have all agreed that reality is rather complex.

To me, we have a few laws governing our realities, we have our natrual  laws (physical laws... what goes up, must come down etc.) and then we have our social rules.
Social rules are a little more bendy and each of us will have slightly different rules in some aspects, but most of them will be the same (we still feel compassion, bad for doing something bad to someone).

We don;t really take much notice of natrual laws, so its the social rules that govern our lives... they are the paths which we walk on.. even if some people decide to go cross country, they are still breaking the paths.. thus they are still linked to the path they broke.
We cannot escape reality.. we definitely cannot escape society. If i sound crazy and you need clarification read Henrik Ibsens play 'Ghosts' its awesome.

Love,

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RE: Reality - 2/15/2007 1:03:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read an article in Scientific American magazine a few months ago that said that there is a theory that whatever people think of as existing doesn't actually come into existence until they actually view it with their own eyes, or otherwise sense it (through touch, taste, etc.).  And also, that whatever exists is different for each person - so that I could exist in someone's reality, but they might not exist in mine, and vice-versa.

Of course, this is too mind-blowing a concept for most people to actually believe (myself included). But still, it's kind of intriguing - thinking that somebody doesn't come another person's reality unless they want(ed) them there - both the good and the bad, for whatever reason.

The theory also stated that if "bad" (harmful) people and things became a part of someone's reality, that at some point, the person wanted them there (for whatever reason; spiritual growth, or what have you) - and that explained it better to me (a little, although I still have some questions about this theory).

- Susan 

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RE: Reality - 2/15/2007 9:00:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is misleading to think reality is one fixed thing.

According to Buddhism, we have three eyes on the world.

A. The Dharma Eye (the world and our ego)

B. The Wisdom Eye (the unity of all things)

C. The Buddha Eye (form and emptiness are one)

To the laymen, like me, this essentially tells us we see things as permanent (things and people in the now and the "I" that interacts with them) and impermanent (the self and all about us that is changing, and moving.)

Reality, then, depends on what we are looking for. The more we can see, the more we look for, the greater our reality becomes.


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