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luckydog1 -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/12/2007 5:48:39 PM)

Real are you actually trying to insult me by calling me a homosexuall?  How disgusting for someone on a kink site....you can't provide any sort of evidence for your nonsense claims, so you start personal insults.  And you use Homophobia.  Pathetic.....




stef -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/12/2007 8:29:53 PM)

That's our Real0ne.  He makes bets he welches out of, he makes accusations he can't prove and now he's stooping to homophobic insults.  I can't say that I'm entirely surprised.

~stef




Real0ne -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/13/2007 12:46:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
Real are you actually trying to insult me by calling me a homosexuall?  How disgusting for someone on a kink site....you can't provide any sort of evidence for your nonsense claims, so you start personal insults.  And you use Homophobia.  Pathetic.....


i never called you anything. quote where i called you a homosexual.  So its personal huh? 

Wrong i just wont provide the evidence for you LMFAO 




sleazy -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/13/2007 8:29:55 AM)

Tell you what real.......

There is a perfectly good, totally anonymous way to post confidential info to the net, and it was even mentioned in this forum.


Wikileaks. Enough said. Failing that I know of several other folks who have no obejection to publishing credible classified info, and I have seen one of them referenced by you I believe.




sleazy -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/13/2007 10:51:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
Interesting that this executive order can not be found anywhere, nor quoted or cited.  Why would we need to reconcile something that does not exist?  Do you have to pay with make believe money to get to see it?

That would be because it is not an executive order, it is an internal FBI document. W199 is the FBI internal classification for national security issue, the remainder will be for identifying the actual investigation.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/
I dunno. Shouldn't it follow the numbering scheme?


Yup, which should put it somewhere in the 13000s I believe. Of course that would only apply if it was actually an EO.



As for reconcilliation, the problem we have with the cited document is it predates patriot by the small matter of 5 years! That would mean that Clinton's administration, not Bush's asked for the investigation to be halted, damn dont that throw a big spanner in the works for those that would like to blame Bush for everything.




Real0ne -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/13/2007 1:05:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sleazy

Tell you what real.......

There is a perfectly good, totally anonymous way to post confidential info to the net, and it was even mentioned in this forum.


Wikileaks. Enough said. Failing that I know of several other folks who have no obejection to publishing credible classified info, and I have seen one of them referenced by you I believe.


well since i got involved in this a friend of mine had a little talk with me.   She warned that its not a real brite idea to either post it, keep it, or download anything like that in the future considering the current laws on wire tapping and internet spying here in america.   Most likely the same advice you would give one of your "friends". now i am not a real paranoid guy but that made sense and i took her advice, and we both know that you know that nothing on the net is anon to those with the right equipment and policing authority.   i have yet to see anything stamped secret posted on here do site it for me if there is.   So thats my decision and no amount of badgering me is going ot change it.  nuff said






luckydog1 -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/13/2007 4:51:50 PM)

Hey,  Rule got away with being treated seriously after simply saying he refused to show any evidence.  Why shouldn't Real get to do the same.




sleazy -> RE: Patriot Act vs W199I-WF-213589 Can This Be Reconciled? (2/13/2007 5:08:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: sleazy

Tell you what real.......

There is a perfectly good, totally anonymous way to post confidential info to the net, and it was even mentioned in this forum.


Wikileaks. Enough said. Failing that I know of several other folks who have no obejection to publishing credible classified info, and I have seen one of them referenced by you I believe.


well since i got involved in this a friend of mine had a little talk with me.   She warned that its not a real brite idea to either post it, keep it, or download anything like that in the future considering the current laws on wire tapping and internet spying here in america.   Most likely the same advice you would give one of your "friends". now i am not a real paranoid guy but that made sense and i took her advice, and we both know that you know that nothing on the net is anon to those with the right equipment and policing authority.   i have yet to see anything stamped secret posted on here do site it for me if there is.   So thats my decision and no amount of badgering me is going ot change it.  nuff said



Too late, you already had it, its logged (perhaps), the cat is out the bag so you may as well go ahead and publish as many others have done. That way should you dissappear one night or have an "accident" we all know who to blame & can go shout it from the mountain. Heck if you are of that much interest to the feds posting one little file is the least of your problems.

On the flip side of the coin, it is highly unlikely the Feds would bother with little old you. Do not forget the biggest problem of gathering such data, namely information overload. With all the theorists loose on the interweb the chance of your few data packets being analysed and traced are, well lets face it, go read the 9/11 commission report to find out just how swamped with info the agencies are and realise that your chances of getting the knock on the door are so near zero as to be not worth doing the maths.

So in short, you either have nothing to fear, or you are so deep in the doo-doo it makes no difference if you publish something that is both erronously reffered to and already out there in many places.

That is exactly the advice I would give as a professional too (you really dont want to know how much I charge for that normally!).




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